Would people vote solely on Brexit lines?
I think it is a big enough issue, it will drive economic and foreign policy through several election cycles, the reality is that virtually every other policy or path politics in the uk can take is dependant on how brexit turns out.
Jambalaya and his mates have been here before:
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But that 2.5% two tariff is just on goods, the problem is that we don't export many goods, but we export lots of services. Typically through multi national European companies. If we rely on wto rules, then most of those services will move somewhere more favourable and a large slice of our income will just evaporate.
The wto rules also don't just add tariffs, they add barriers to trade compared to what we have now. That will significantly reduce the competitiveness of uk companies. We won't just have to pay 2.5% more, we'll struggle to win business full stop.
Kimbers that's in the assumption that people without voting rights aren't constituents- children for example or EU citizens living in the area. Assume only 50% of people get to vote at any given time any it's...
Around 25% of you constituents (we're not really sure) voted to leave Mr Milliband...
And to answer your question Jamba, how should he vote? With his conscience in the best interests of his constituents. It was a silly question anyway given you knew the answer.
Jamba - can I just check that you are accusing Corbyn, a politician , of a political manoeuvre? It blinking well hope so.
Meanwhile everything Enola has done is so she can blame others later - the Bexmigos, the judges, next MPs. She is looking like a Machiavellian but weak PM.
Brave or stupid by Corbyn to ask for access to single market as he knows May can not guaranteed i
It's bllx. But just driven home from tennis and listening to IDS - one side - and Farron - the other - both talking BS
And we wonder why people protesti against politics.
The debate has turned even more desperate.
Legal tennis partner noted that the final say on this ultimately comes down to the ECJ - the ironies continue.
Nice to see Gina Miller wiping the floor with Farige this morning
Legal tennis partner noted that the final say on this ultimately comes down to the ECJ - the ironies continue.
Yes talked about in the press last week. I think May would hold a vote on A50 before going to the ECJ. It's not ironic at all it's an wxample of how we do not have control of our own law making
I think May would hold a vote on A50 before going to the ECJ. It's not ironic at all it's an wxample of how we do not have control of our own law making
No the UK court made a ruling on UK law, the suggestions are there was nothing up to interpretation kind of the UK law. That UK judges ruled on.
The last court to appeal to would be the ECJ but if the UK Judges are right then they are right and the judgement would stand.
It's not ironic at all it's an wxample of how [s]we do not have control of our own law making[/s] May is desperately trying to ignore UK law
which is a sad indictment of brexishambles and the hypocrasy of brexiters
Thank you Mike. Jambas that (Mikes) is the correct interpretation
IGM wasn't Corbyn supposed to represent a new kind of politics, not the cynical type we are all used to ? He campaigned for decades against the EU and his half hearted speeches and 7/10 score for fhe EU helped Leave win. As for Milliband et all MPs rarely vote with their conscience. It would be pretty pompous of him to decide what's "best for his constituents" when they voted so clearly for Leave.
Law is subject to interpretation that's why we have courts and an appeal process.
Nice to see Gina Miller wiping the floor with Farige this morning
just seen it . hilarious .
Law is subject to interpretation that's why we have courts and an appeal process.
From what I have read on the judgement this one might be hard to interpret differently. Although lawyers do seem to specialise in the grey this one was black and white. Same as most of the judgements against the UK in the EU courts turns out they were right in cases of law.
It would be pretty pompous of him to decide what's "best for his constituents" when they voted so clearly for Leave
Yet that is essentially what representative democracy is about. Representing your constituents best interests in the long term rather than whoever shouts the loudest. Just because they have the loudest voice doesn't mean they are automatically right.
Kind of "a daddy knows best" approach. Like when you voted leave, against what your kids stated as their desires and in their best interests.
I do hope Enola May doesn't get the a particularly nasty case of the runs on her trip to India.
and to be very clear, this part of law is the one about respecting the sovereignty of UK parliament against the will of what a person wants. When a government decides it wants to and not follow the due process of parliament it is a very worrying state of affairs.
This is one of the key points that leavers kept rambling on about and as soon as it doesn't agree with you it's wrong.
I bet most of the public want taxes abolished or cut severly - doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do...
Like when you voted leave, against what your kids stated as their desires and in their best interests.
I bet that any parents that voted leave did so as they believed it was in the best interests of their children - and if the children were old enough to vote but didn't then 'parent knows best' is clearly true.
I bet most of the public want taxes abolished or cut severly - doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do...
Yes they do, and yes it is 🙂
This is more inteesting for fhe next 10-20 mins (or possibly the whole of the next 3 months) - start of the Vendee Globe 12.02pm
Gina Miller demonstrated this morning the absolute lack of any form of suitable governance in respect to Brexit by Farage or any other Tory Brexiteers- she laid bare in simple language the absolute inadequacy of these people to actually do any thing other than shout.
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Wonder how the working poor and pensioner Brexiteers are feeling at the moment - fuel prices up, food and clothes prices, up triple lock on way out, benefit cuts - brace yourselves poor people lot more coming...
They voted for it
Law is subject to interpretation that's why we have courts and an appeal process
These were not just your ordinary High Court justiciary but the Lord Chief Justice, the most senior judge in E&W, the Master of the Roles who is the second most senior judge in E&W and the presiding judge of the civil division of the Court of Appeal whilst Lord Justice Sales is a Court of Appeal justice of some standing. I would be surprised if the Supreme Court did otherwise than affirm the findings of the QBD but in substantially more detail. Given the importance of the matter of the appeal to the Supreme Court is why all 11 justices will be sitting including those from NI and Scotland and hopefully the devolved governments in those countries will join in as interested parties.
Every pound my bank balance loses I get a million pound in my FREEDOM bank.
Wales have already said they would support G Miller. Scotland will probably too.
Well Zippykona money's not important...
Until you have **** all...
Then it's very important as the freedom bank becomes the food bank in your life...
Oh and guess who funds food banks...
Yep sympathetic guilty middle class folk (among others) except their sympathy is diminishing.
i wonder how Ed would vote ?"72% of your constituents voted to leave"
I'm willing to bet that that is not actually true, and that it's another example of Jambaliar saying or repeating something that doesn't pass the common sense test - in fact that fails the common sense test so blatantly that it can only be a deliberate falsehood.
Corbyn says his SUPPORT for A50 is UNCONDITIONAL - Captain Chaos is alive and well 😀
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-says-labour-could-block-article-50-10647341
But this morning a source close to Mr Corbyn told Sky News Labour's support for triggering Article 50 - the starting gun for leaving the EU - was "unconditional".
Sources... says Sky/Fox/Rupert (or Sly Fox Rupert??)
it's an wxample of how we do not have control of our own law making
But the ECJ is our court. We're European.
Unless you are saying the fact there are foreigners involved makes it somehow worse?
A lot of Brexit arguments only make sense if you draw a line between the British and other people in Europe.
Still waiting for Jamba and Co. to give us their opinion of what position the UK will be in once the 2 years is up...
Still waiting for Jamba and Co. to give us their opinion of what position the UK will be in once the 2 years is up
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Listening to the absolutely vile little creep IDS on the Five Live this morning, he seemed to be saying that "we demand the return of British sovereignty, unless we don't like what it comes up with, in which case we reserve the right to over-rule the judiciary, because... well.... just because!"
Well, yes, you disgusting little man .... As [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/06/high-court-ruling-brexit-not-sabotaging-parliamentary-democracy-best-deal-britain ]this points out[/url].... there's a name for governments who think they can do that. They're called dictatorships
I'm not so sure about Farage's call to protest. It's getting a bit chilly outside, and we know that winter is dangerous for the elderly.
Probably best to stay indoors with a nice cup of tea and the Daily Mail.
Speech by Lord Lawson
I wonder if the large number of alienated people are the same as those who voted to leave the EU? I would imagine they are and if so, it's a vote for more of the same.
EDIT - Hmm. Linky not worky. But it does if you copy and paste it into the address bar.
At least brexishambles is serving as a warning to other EU countries that leaving is a stupid idea that will leave you the worlds laughing stock as the PM tries to take her own parliament to court 😳
(at least until america out stupids us by voting trump in!)
This mornings Andrew Marr show is on iPlayer.
Worth a watch, especially the bit where Farage basically says "we don't need MP's"...
Facist.
Although if/when we leave can we make sure that we pay no UKIP MEP's either their loss-of-office settlement nor their pensions - they wouldn't want to take money from something they thought wrong would they?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/27/meps-final-payoff-157000
@slowoldman, what you mean by that comment. You suggest that guilty mild class folk like you will stop giving cause some hungry poor people have a different opinion to you?
In a free Youkshire you'd fit right in. Nowt free a lad, unless there somat in it for me.
@slow - you can only post youtube and vimeo links with the Video button and also generally its best to remove the s from https
Not much in the way of a responce to my post that Corbyn's support for A50 is unconditional ? He's been anti EU for decades
Still waiting for Jamba and Co. to give us their opinion of what position the UK will be in once the 2 years is up...
Have posted numerous times that we will be in much getter shape outside the EU than in in 5 and 10 years. 2 years is a short time frame and depends a lot on whether Greece has defaulted by then and whether the euro still exists in form we know it now. If Europe has collapsed economically we will be worse off than now but still better than had we stayed in. Postive impacts of lower currency on trade deficit and UK manufacturing ?
