My opinions are based on life experience not what I've read in a book. Go and have a walk round most towns in east lancs at night and see how safe u feel in multicultural Britain those are the reasons I voted to leave and rightly so as many other cultures don't have the same values!
Haha yet the same folks who feel perfectly safe surrounded by the fat, lager binging, sunburnt, swearing Brits on the average Ryanair flight back from the Costa del Sol!
The same folks who feel happily comfortable surrounded by the swearing, racist, fighting, fag smoking, casually homophobic, pie eating football supporters at your average cup derby. Engerlaaaaannnnd!
British values eh - got to love them!
ThIS and i understand why Turnerguy , who voted leave iirc, is uncomfortable with the fact they and the racist agree on this issue.
didn't get to vote as the trains back from Waterloo got stuffed up that evening - although I was going to vote remain 🙂
Close run thing on the decision but I decided that, although I did not like the EU and particularly felt that free movement is mostly about benefiting globalisation and capitalism and not people as a whole, the country was not in a good enough state outside of financial services to leave.
We have a mutli-cultural team at work and I have been the strongest advocate and defender of several of them, particularly where cultural, and religious, differences have compromised their perception within the rest of the department.
In particular the relaxed Greek bloke who has difficulty getting his 8rse out of bed to make it in by 9.30, or the orthodox Polish guy who thinks that natural disasters or diseases are 'punishments' from god...
For decades, the Liberal Left have told us that we're all entitled to 'respect'
Hardly. That idea pervades most aspects of popular culture. It's not a political thing.
The assertion is a response to the opposite problem from the past hundred or so years, where the working classes were told they were no good for anything and they should simply get on with their dull menial lives. People needed to be enocuraged and told that progressing in live is possible.
However it wasn't quite made clear that you deserve the opportunity, not automatically the result. A lot of work is involved and yes, not EVERYONE can be the CEO of a multinational, or a pro cyclist, or whatever. Not only does everyone not have the aptitude, but of course in a company of 100,000 employees there's only one CEO!
particularly felt that free movement is mostly about benefiting globalisation and capitalism and not people as a whole
Hmm, interesting. Do you not think the Polish people benefit from spending a few years making a good wage? Or even longer? More controversially, do we benefit from better tradespeople? Did they push the standards up here? Do people have trouble getting tradespeople in Warsaw?
In particular the relaxed Greek bloke who has difficulty getting his 8rse out of bed to make it in by 9.30
I have that problem and yet, I'm not Greek. How does that fit into their world view I wonder?
Hardly. That idea pervades most aspects of popular culture. It's not a political thing.
So do you 'respect' someone who chooses to claim benefits and sit at home smoking weed all day rather than get a job and better themselves? Weird.
No don't you start bringing the truth into the debate now - repeat after me, "British jobs for British workers", "They steal our jobs and depress our wages", "Kick the buggers out". Twenty times should do it for a first offence.
Sorry THM, like I said, new round here... Struggling to get into the swing of things... And struggling to spot when people are being sarcastic or playing devil's advocate... 😉
So do you 'respect' someone who chooses to claim benefits and sit at home smoking weed all day rather than get a job and better themselves? Weird.
What? No! What the hell are you talking about?
I agreed with your post, I just disputed that the Liberal Left are responsible!
😉 we gave up on treating Brexshit seriously a long time ago. The thread is surreal now and for amusement/venting purposes only.
I just disputed that the Liberal Left are responsible!
They're not the suppliers? Damn, who do you go to?
This is so depressing, this arguing, Stop! There are other things we should be talking about. The stupid decision by the judges will delay Scotlandshires Neverendum (there frit) thus preventing this great Nation Yorkshire from getting out of the Union.
What? No! What the hell are you talking about?
I agreed with your post, I just disputed that the Liberal Left are responsible!
Ah, I do apologise!
. The thread is surreal now and for amusement/venting purposes only.
It's like therapy for me, commenting with other people all gaping in wonder at our nation's spiral into ****wittery
We passed ****wittery so long ago you couldn't poke it with a 100% british made union jack bedecked immigrant prod.
We need new words for where we are now..........
Still no Jamba?
We're in Jambageddon.
I keep agreeing with THM.
Non-EU immigration levels, lack of seriousness
It's worrying
I just had a delightful threat of violence messaged to me on Facebook from a brexiter who took exemption to a comment about referendum being legally binding, he seemed quite certain of my sexuality and everything, this country really is turning out just lovely
Can't imagine what kind of threats Gina Miller has received
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37869797
All the brexiters on my facebook who I haven't defriended or they defriended me when this whole debacle kicked off have become mysteriously apolitical all of a sudden.
Can't imagine what kind of threats Gina Miller has received
I have just read that and am mortified. On one hand the "winning" brexshitters expect that the losers behave with decorum, yet when their feathers are slighly ruffled out comes the bile and hate.
These are the people who are being defended on here, it's oft claimed that they are not racist bigots. Hell! They do bloody good impressions then.
Kimbers, the country has always been as it now appears. There was just enough control in the mainstream media for people to think twice. Now that the media have made it clear that xenophobia and racism are perfectly acceptable why bother with the veneer?
Why bother with i am not racist but, you can just state i hate ****s, etc.
Wonder what Geneva is like to live in?
Well I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that 50% of the world's population are quite happy to rub along with everyone else whilst 50% are xenophobic isolationists. So let's have one huge pan-national collective for people who like each other and lots of individual little enclaves with stout walls around them (to keep everyone else out of course) for the isolationists. The difficulty is apportioning the land. Who gets the nice bits?
Me, me
On one hand the "winning" brexshitters expect that the losers behave with decorum, yet when their feathers are slighly ruffled out comes the bile and hate.
These are the people who are being defended on here, it's oft claimed that they are not racist bigots. Hell! They do bloody good impressions then.
I'd like to point out that not all Brexiters act as one. The ones who were asking for decorum are probably not the same ones sending death threads.
You may not be pre-judging people by their race, but you are pre-judging people based on their referendum vote.
[i]Well I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that 50% of the world's population are quite happy to rub along with everyone else whilst 50% are xenophobic isolationists.[/I]
It's 52% 🙂
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The ones who were asking for decorum are probably not the same ones sending death threads.
I am fully aware that those that are issuing death threats wouldn't use, or understand, the word decorum either.
Wonder what Geneva is like to live in?
A two-class society, the Swiss and les transfrontaliers.
A two-class society, the Swiss and les transfrontaliers.
but are 52% xenophobic!
Well I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that 50% of the world's population are quite happy to rub along with everyone else whilst 50% are xenophobic isolationists.
Me too. What with the fact that UKIP can't even agree on a leader, Brexshiters can't agree on how hard they want to Brexshit and the government is constantly briefing against itself on the pattern of deckchairs on the 'Titanic' success, the Leavers all appear have checked into the argument room and are incapable of agreeing where the door is.
It's a hell of a lot easier to destroy things than build them. It's just not particularly smart.
b r - MemberIt's 52% 🙂
More like 26%, of the population. 😉
Brexshiters can't agree on how hard they want to Brexshit
Because there's at least two groups of Brexiters. One that want to kick out the brown people, and one that thinks the EU is an intransigent organisation that doesn't serve Britain's interests economically.
More like 26%, of the population.
Oh good, their enclave just got smaller.
The UK news papers are utterly shocking with the front page headlines right now, they are basically inciting terrorism, and encoraging a military coup.
It really is absurd, but not a supprise as the people who own them are essentially criminals with known political agendas.
Imagine the carnage if the shoe was on the other foot, anyone with a sun tan or a foreign sounding surname should probably watch out.
Hopefully Nigel Farage would be first on the hit list. FOREIGN SURNAME! Nail him to a cross and burn him alive!
Carl Gardners opinion for the law geeks:
https://www.headoflegal.com/2016/11/04/why-the-high-court-got-the-law-wrong-about-brexit
The comments on that are different from most comments threads
What percentage of Brexiters are sending death and take threats?
kimbers - Member
What percentage of Brexiters are sending death and take threats?
Probably none coz nobody knows who sent those email.
It could simply be remainders pretending to be Brexit voters trying to fuel the fire.
It could simply be remainders pretending to be Brexit voters trying to fuel the fire.
yes of course it is 🙄
Unless there is definite proof that those threats come from people who voted for Brexit then she can claim whatever she wishes.kimbers - Member
It could simply be remainders pretending to be Brexit voters trying to fuel the fire.
yes of course it is
but are 52% xenophobic!
Only 50.3% voted to stop free movement, so no, not quite. Unless you think the 57.5% who voted to ban minarets might be a bit xenophobic, then yes.
Unless there is definite proof that those threats come from people who voted for Brexit then she can claim whatever she wishes.
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Does it matter who voted for Brexit? They come from all parts of society from the normal to the very weird. A diverse UK population like you and me.
The bottom line is that referendum has been won by Brexit.
The process is now being delayed by some pen pushers who are trying to hijack and to over turn the will of the people.
kimbers - Member
Yes, remainders loss in the referendum. Who is that bloke in the gif? Looks familiar ...
If you think the breexiter are stupid though consider the 27.8% percent that weren't smart enough to even vote...
Not pen pushers.
UK laws by UK judges telling UK government that UK parliament is sovereign.
What is wrong with that?
It could simply be remainders pretending to be Brexit voters trying to fuel the fire.
I mean, you can't actually believe this yourself, can you?
The process is now being delayed by some pen pushers who are trying to hijack and to over turn the will of [b]some of[/b] the people.
You almost had me fooled into thinking that a few people was the same as a majority.
But you're right, let's get this thing started and I'm sure that as soon as the govt works out what it is that they're supposed to be doing they'll do it.
What an absurd clusterf we have going on here and you still seem to think it's good. 🙄
