The problem with that is that we would need politicians who act in the country's best interests not their own. They have to be prepared to lose their seat at the next GE.
I'm hoping by the time of the debate the general population will realise that in is a better option. Can you imagine somebody reading the list of promises* out in parliament and asking which ones were deliverable?
*by promises I meant the lies that leading brexit campaigners stood up and shouted very loudly before going on to enjoy good cabinet jobs....
I'm hoping by the time of the debate the general population will realise that in is a better option
Some polls suggest they already have.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6
Satire sites are quick off the mark
Does this mean Macs will be cheap again?
Mrs May. You lost , get over it (!)
Woo-hoo! Mind you we aren't out of the woods yet; cat o nine tails coming into play shortly in a chambers near you.
Finally!!!! A brake has been applied to this madness!!!!!
Will the pound now rally a bit before I go on holiday next week 😀
IF you really want a laugh / horrific reminder of humanities stupidity, have a look at the Daily Mail comments 😆
Nigel is not so confident of a Brexit now.
😆
Yes, the DM comments are classic.
Will be interesting to see how this pans out, could all be a ploy by TM to delay and obfuscate as long as possible so that without causing completely irreparable damage to all of our prospects it becomes clear to everyone except for the completely insane that leaving isn't gong to be very pleasant for those of us with jobs.
Binners....sterling has indeed recovered sharply. Whether it will be a temporary burst of euphoria is another thing.
Does this mean Planet X are hiring?
Mrs May. You lost , get over it (!)
Hahaha!
A brief glimpse of sanity.
I have tried to remain calm and just accept the remoaners will keep moaning about the decision, but I am getting ready to riot. If triggering article 50 gets blocked I'll be rioting and I hope the civil unrest ensues.
I'm glad the Commons will get to debate it, but it's not the solution I was looking for.
If, and it's still a bit if the Commons decide to not ratify the referendum where does that put us? Will the Press change their mind and stop spreading lies, will Westminster stop blaming the EU for everything, with UKIP continue to wither and die? Worse still, will the 51% feel that they’ve been cheated?
I’m seeing a country divided, if STW acts as a barometer for public feeling we can’t discuss anything at the moment without Brexit talk taking over, mostly I think because it does effect everything, but mostly because it’s such an important thing to people.
We need a solution that suits not only the 49, but also the 51 or at least pleases 60%+ of the total. I think us Remainers ‘winning’ on a technicality (of sorts) would be as bad as letting Nigel Farrage handle the Article 50 negotiations alone. Where does it put us? A 2020 Election (or earlier) still being fought on the EU, UKIP flying high again on the promise of Article 50 on day 1, no referendum and the Tories going further and further right to counter it against a mess of a Labour party.
If we cannot appease a decent amount of the 51% and not just a 1% swing with words and policies between now and A50, then I fear we have to start A50 – renegotiate a position in the EU more people can live with, even if it means appeasing unfounded fears.
**** a duck, that's a lot of green! (at time of posting)
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/currency/default.stm ]Market Data[/url]
If triggering article 50 gets blocked I'll be rioting and I hope the civil unrest ensues.
man your barricade comrade while your waiting lets see if leave can agree what leave they would like (the first one was a bit vague) prese that and then see what people think.
flanagaj - Member
I have tried to remain calm and just accept the remoaners will keep moaning about the decision, but I am getting ready to riot. If triggering article 50 gets blocked I'll be rioting and I hope the civil unrest ensues.
In your dreams. Get over yourself.
It's a relief that there will be a chance to expose the flaws in the brexit argument and to outline the expected consequences of brexit. In my opinion the remain campaign was poor so the remain side in Westminster will need to raise their game with more than just "project fear"
I don't believe that the result of the referendum can or should just be thrown aside that runs the risk of further alienating a group of people, many of whom already feel alienated and disenfranchised
If triggering article 50 gets blocked I'll be rioting
What happened to 'you lost, get over it?'
And seriously - what happened to parliamentary sovereignty? Wasn't that what you wanted?
flanagaj - MemberI have tried to remain calm and just accept the remoaners will keep moaning about the decision, but I am getting ready to riot. If triggering article 50 gets blocked I'll be rioting and I hope the civil unrest ensues.
I dare say you won't be alone, whether it amounts to much? Well it doesn't suit the 'professional violent protestors' cause wise and statically leavers tend to be older - no one's 93 Year old Blind Mum is going to be swinging a pick axe handle about.
But in all seriousness if we ignore the referendum there will be large scale protests.
In my opinion the remain campaign was poor so the remain side in Westminster will need to raise their game with more than just "project fear"
Well they could simply ask leave to explain version they want...
A vote with some options multiple choice if you like..
Remain
Leave Norway Style
Leave Switzerland Style
Hard Brexit
The original one promised that was all made up
should split the vote
Well again Mike none of that should have been necessary because it was advisory. May &co seem to have totally misunderstood the concept!
And seriously - what happened to parliamentary sovereignty? Wasn't that what you wanted?
When it suits Mols... when it suits......
And that's why we have a system of Parliamentary Democracy, innit.
I'm not celebrating yet, but it's very good news. Hopefully there will be an outbreak of sanity.
Nobody get your hopes up. I'll gladly eat my hat if this stops Brexit happening. Sorry to piss on your chips like, but we're still ****ed for the forseeable. Having said that...
I am getting ready to riot
Go for it! The country need a bit of a laugh.
I'll gladly eat my hat if this stops Brexit happening
Oh aye, agree with you there. I mean leaving is one thing, but what's far worse tbh is the lack of due process with such a big issue. I was more upset about that than anything else I think. Or at least equally upset.
So, when one half of the country don't like the way things are going, they should just "shut up" and "stop moaning".
If the other half of the country don't like the way things are going, then riots in the streets is an appropriate response.
Divide and Rule eh Mikewsmith. It often works to win a campaign but does it address the underlying issues?
70% of Labour constituencies voted Leave, although most Labour MPs were pro Remain.
Labour MPs will have to decide whether to vote for what is factually and evidentially in the best interests of the country, or vote for what the racists and thickos in their constituencies want.
Are you for real!What happened to 'you lost, get over it?'
From a democratic process remain lost. And now you wonder why I am rather angry.
The Labour core vote is racists and thickos. Ignoring them will mean the end of Labour. Not that it matters, they're done anyway.
It often works to win a campaign but does it address the underlying issues?
The underlying issues are at the feet of the UK Government, they already have the power to fix them. It's just easier to blame Immigrants/EU/somebody else than accept that on both sides of politics they have left people behind.
Labour MPs will have to decide whether to vote for what is factually and evidentially in the best interests of the country,
Good luck to either party trying to whip this one! Its going to be anarchy!
From a democratic process remain lost. And now you wonder why I am rather angry.
Don't blame us that you didn't read the instructions.
Are MPs principled individuals in the job to help better the lot of their constituents, or are they chancers focused on getting elected to further their own careers.
flanagaj - Member
What happened to 'you lost, get over it?'
Are you for real!
From a democratic process remain lost. And now you wonder why I am rather angry
No, just the opposite.
It was an advisory referendum, nothing more, with about 17 million different definitions of what "Brexit" would actually mean in practice.
Nothing on that bit of paper actually said what this would entail. It was all a matter of personal preference, bias, and individual definition.
Did you vote for "full exit"? What is that exactly?... the guy next door to me just wanted control on immigration.
Bill down the road wanted controls on immigration, but still access to the single market.
Jimmy wanted single market access and still have redress to the ECHR, and wasn't bothered about immigration.
You see? 17 million individual definitions of what it may have meant, somehow all defined by one line on an advisory ref, and the lies of politicians? (See how Farage reneged on everything on the morning of the result.)
We then had the sorry spectacle of a cabinet of MPs going in secret to tell us what we all meant by that single line of text. This was the single most undemocratic thing I've ever seen in this country in my lifetime.
So....this is where the democratic bit of this actually starts- where you camp out at your MPs surgery and tell them what you want them to do on your behalf. It was never going to be as easy as just ticking a box on an ill-defined advisory ref- politics is hard work, engaging with the political class is necessary but difficult.
So no, now is where you really need to start "Taking Back Control".....in the way you should have done in the first place- from your bloody MP- by getting in front of them, talking to them, cajoling them, making them listen, convincing them why your idea is best.
Thats your Sovereign Right and Duty.
No Jammers yet?
Maybe he's actually physically combusted?!
And now is time to ask your MP some tough questions.
Why is the EU stopping the UK building schools and hospitals?
Why is the EU doing with the £350 Million, how is it spent, what do we get for it?
What does being in the UK mean for your job?
How will leaving make things better?
Would it be an anonymous vote for the MPs?
Yay! for this decision.
The Labour core vote is racists and thickos. Ignoring them will mean the end of Labour. Not that it matters, they're done anyway.
Absolute twaddle. Racism/thickness straddles many backgrounds.
cloudnine - Member
Would it be an anonymous vote for the MPs?
MP's votes involve walking through a side so it's all in the open. After that the pinnacle of the UK's elected democracy the Lords will have a crack, oh the ironing, so much ironing to do
[quote=flanagaj ]From a democratic process remain lost. And now you wonder why I am rather angry.
No, we wonder why you think rioting is part of the democratic process. Showing your true colours maybe?
I note that nobody on the remain side has proposed rioting as a solution to all the lies told by the leave side, we're slightly more civilised than that.
