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True, worrying story, but why is it the Brexshit thread? The article refers to something very different.
True, worrying story, but why is it the Brexshit thread? The article refers to something very different.
You need me to explain? Really?
the fact that capitalism and globalisation have achieved what Che Guevara and communism never could - the transfer of wealth from imperialist nations - is not lost on me and amuses me to no end.
Ah cr*p, bang go my socialist quasi-communist sympathies. Going to have to rethink (short and medium term) capitalism now!
Seriously though very good point Tom, and one I hadn't really thought of having been sucked into the whole Brexit depression. Is it simply the case that the recent isolationist/protectionist policies from UK, US etc. are just a weak kickback against globalisation and automation? A half-hearted attempt to stem the tide of a new world-wide society that threatens to knock the rich West off it's pedestal?
I really hope so, that would make the next ten/twenty year economic outlook a bit more palatable if only from the perspective of improving the lives of billions* of humans in developing countries.
*To the detriment of millions in the developed world, but then you can't make an omelette...
Have we now pretty much accepted that WTO is a non-starter 'option', plus the 27 know it too so lets just park it and properly analyse the only feasible options?
And quite an interesting article on import/export of actual stuff, ignore all the tariff stuff etc and imagine how they're going to re-instate all the checks and posts plus recruit and train the necessary manpower.
If we prevent the government from doing its job it will be the result.
At the moment we have eliminated EEA as it requires FoM, so we are going for bespoke deal pitched somewhere between FTA and CU.
The scare stories are irrelevant now. It's about making the best of the situation that is in front of us.
teamhurtmore - Member
If we prevent the government from doing its job it will be the result.
but the government arent doing their job
theyve assembled a crack team of delusional idiots obsessed with proving their own fantasies right
they arent listening to experts, they are stumbling into this blind
http://www.nature.com/news/delay-in-hiring-science-advisers-intensifies-brexit-worries-1.21511
brexshit is an exercise anti-intellectualism
No, WTO is precisely the starter option. We may be able to negotiate something better, but that's far from a given. There is such a gulf between the two sides that a 2 year negotiating period is going to be ridiculously inadequate.
My prediction is that the whole shebang will collapse in a heap of shit within months if not weeks. If the govt was remotely interested in doing its job (rather than pacifying the tory party) it would have called the whole thing off months ago.
Fixed
At the moment we have eliminated EEA as it requires FoM, so we are going for bespoke deal pitched at SFA...
Gosh how very cynical!!! 😉
Captain you are correct, nothing is a given, it's a............."negotiation"
That's why most of the current debate is simply hot air.
My concern is what happens when all this fails, Brexit is going to fail most of those who voted for it. It is certainly going to fail those who voted against it.
Shades of the Indy Ref coming up in Brexit Exit Bill headline ping pong. Seems there are €150bn of EU Assets the UK is entitied to it's share of. Not entirely sure what they are, a load of buildings in Brussels and Strasbourg aren't a lot of use to us. Also the matter of 150 odd Brits who work for various EU departments, they can keep them ! I see Junker is trying as hard as he can to divert the headlines from the €10bn pa budget hole the UK is going to leave.
My prediction is that the whole shebang will collapse in a heap of shit within months if not weeks. If the govt was remotely interested in doing its job (rather than pacifying the tory party) it would have called the whole thing off months ago.
Other views are available 8)
Jambalaya, would you be happy to see your children die in a european war? Your joyfulness at any issue seems to suggest you will only be happy when the EU collapses. History teaches that everytime this happens ends in European war.
Also the matter of 150 odd Brits who work for various EU departments, they can keep them !
And that displays how little you think of people, classy!
While you play your infantile one upmanship with the EU , the rest of us have to worry about the post brexit concerns of our sectors that the government are unwilling or incapable of addressing.
It's not just you though, social media is littered with comments from bigoted little englanders with no understanding of how the world actually works other than what they've been spoon-fed by the express, telegraph or farage.
Blimey kimbers 😯
Excellent article in today's FT by Jonathan Hill
1. Time UK politicians stopped talking only to each other and started speaking to rEU
2. Instead of rehashing old arguments, we need to spend more time thinking about the future - here business has been much quicker out of the blocks.
3. WEstminster needs to catch up
4. Every hour we are looking backwards is an hour not thinking about how to overcome the challenges and make the most of the the opportunities
5. MIxed messages from the UK, and the misunderstandings that are likely to flow from them, risk driving the negotiations off the rails (we all have a responsibility 😉 )
6. language matters, and the polarised nature of political and media debate is making things harder. EXagerated talk of triumph or disaster, of catastrophe or liberation, does not only make political solutions more difficult. It also gets in the way of our being able to work out intelligent solutions to the practical problems we are inevitably going to face
7. Where business leads (looking forward) politicians must follow
Well said that man
what happened to the £350m a week for the NHS ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39031546
I hope Boris gets reminded of it .
Blimey kimbers
Leaving euratom, losing the EU drug regulatory body, the loss of 10% of industry funding, the upheaval for thousands of EU researchers on the UK and vice versa
We were discussing collaboration with a group in Plon today but there's a big question mark about what that will look like in 2 years- visas, funding, etc,
We've been advertising a post since Xmas and fit the first time hardly any decent takers we are used to a steady stream of non UK applicants, usually from the EU, maybe nothing to do with Brexit but with
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/01/25/number-eu-nurses-coming-uk-falls-90-per-cent-since-brexit-vote/ ]The big drop off in EU staff coming[/url] to the already overwhelmed and understaffed NHS- cancer ops ere being cancelled regularly.
Im starting to worry
Silence from the government on science post Brexit.
It's been 7 months now? I was hoping thered be some sort of a plan now for science instead brexies are just spouting the same gibberish Johnson said it was our Bre-entry into the world market yesterday or some such idiocy.
Vague assurances mean nothing when 20% of your team are from the EU
And remoaner guardian has just put up an article echoing what we are seeing all across the UK....
Brexit is too big for the government to handle IMHO
@THM - all that is well and good....
but for example, the government still hasn't lifted a finger to encourage highly skilled EU employees to stay here. It's like they just can't be bothered.
😯
teamhurtmore - Member
If we prevent the government from doing its job it will be the result.
Care to explain how once a 50. Is passed anyone can prevent the government doing its thing?
Care to explain how once a 50. Is passed anyone can prevent the government doing its thing?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1209/837852-article-50-challenge/
I haven't heard where this case is currently?
LOL
Kimbers, looks like the LSE were right. Who'd have thunk it huh?
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2015/12/05/debunking-the-myths-about-british-science-after-an-eu-exit/
Brexit is actually making me angrier now, now that the real impacts are actually being seen. I still can't believe some of my friends, one in particular, who was utterly adamant that the EU wouldn't punish us and we'd leave without consequence - she even called those who thought they would, delusional - "they need us more than we need them" and anyway "that would be nazish". She voted Brexit because she thought it would improve workers rights (she works for the NHS btw), it totes wasn't about immigrants guys.
Low and behold, we have Macron saying he wants to steal jobs from the city on the doorsteps of Westminster. The NHS is in total free fall. The government is attacking workers rights (pensions). Research funding is getting hammered. Fuel and food prices on the rise.
Now she claims that she is really surprised by all this, never saw it coming and says that she couldn't have known because she doesn't read or have the tie apparently to read as many varied papers as me.
Yeah, **** off. She was a good friend for a decade, but I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire now.
Prevent? I want it to do its thing and quickly. Otherwise we end up with WTO.
Tom in what way is Macron behaving any differently from those who have been fighting the Paris/London war over financial services for as long as I can recall?
Still unresolved (the irish A50 case thing).
Prevent? I want it to do its thing and quickly. Otherwise we end up with WTO.
Which is why the A50 case is crucial to the outcome, if the negotiations go tits up there is a get out if Art50 can be withdrawn.
The amount of goodwill left will be less than nothing though.
What is the get out?
mrmo Peace has been maintained in Europe by NATO and the large numbers of US and UK troops stationed in Germany who 1) kept Russia at bay and 2) meant there was zero chance of German rearmament.
Chris, I already said the £450m a week to play with is going to come from budget savings and WTO tariffs. This is on top of matching all existing EU (ie our own money) finding. Maybe we'll even sell of our share of these £150bn of EU assets whatever they are.
@oldandpastit - to the contrary the govt has made it crystal clear all EU nationals can stay on the basis the EU offers the same (it has refused to do so far choosing to play politics with people). UK govt has done all that is reasonable. If some of these skilled people do leave I have no doubt what so ever the positions will be taken up by others at least as talented from outside the EU who in the past have been discriminated against.
The get out is where we are.
If TM is determined to screw the country and end up on WTO terms so be it, i doubt many will be particularly happy about that outcome.
I would suggest TM is like many politicians an opportunist, if she sees the negotiations going badly and likely to loose her her job, see her poll rating going through the floor she will consider options. This is one reason we actually need an opposition party to hold her to account and not to wipe her arse!
Don't forget that Iraq was actually supported, and the polls approved of Tony Blairs actions. You may not find many that would admit they thought it was a good idea now though.
The electorate can be very fickle. If TM boils the frogs slowly enough she might get away with it, but how far can she run down the NHS, social care, etc etc? Lots of balls to juggle and i don't think she is capable.
Cheer for the link Tom
tallies with just what we are seeing
sadly, Brexies have abolutely no answer to this, the added value of collaboration with our nearest neighbours is something they just dont understand
all they can come up with is fantasy numbers like an extra 450m a week 🙄
Sorry mrmo, you have lost me there
no Jambalaya , the £350m a week was from what the UK supposedly gives to the EU , not extra .
Have you already forgotten that red bus ? guess what , looks like it is coming back to bite you in the ass ! 😉
mrmo Peace has been maintained in Europe by NATO and the large numbers of US and UK troops stationed in Germany who 1) kept Russia at bay and 2) meant there was zero chance of German rearmament.
And foreign occupation, why should Germany accept it? UK France has history, UK opened fire on Icelandic fishing boats, who would have assumed killing a minor royal would lead to millions of deaths. Spain has history regarding Gibraltar.
Russia have deployed new nukes in contravention of treaties. the US who knows! If Russia wants to "improve" access to Kalingrad then what?
History tends to show that little things have a habit of snowballing, and not in the intended way.
THM, basically TM will go with the wind. If she thinks she is going to loose she will change tack IMO.
I hope so, it's her responsibility to get a deal and she will need to be flexible
I hope so, it's her responsibility to get a deal and she will need to be flexible
Problem being that as far as I can see she is prioritising a deal that keeps the Tories in power not one that benefits the country.
mrmo Peace has been maintained in Europe by NATO and the large numbers of US and UK troops stationed in Germany who
What is your problem with German rearmament?
Tom_W1987 - Member
mrmo Peace has been maintained in Europe by NATO and the large numbers of US and UK troops stationed in Germany who
What is your problem with German rearmament?
I am going to answer ...
The answer is Nothing, No problem whatsoever.
IMO Germany can rearm themselves to the hilt if they wish then start WWIII if they wish coz I totally support that.
However, since they started then lost WWII they need to pay for their past actions as long as they can endure and as long as the Victors can punish them for. i.e. ... might as well take Victors' rightful opportunity while the opportunity is still there. Nothing personal ... just taking advantage of being a winner coz they were/are the loser.
As for fearing Russia ... like I say many times, only fool(s) would invade Europe to feed you lot ... Russian population is simply not large enough to contain entire Europe. The only way to invade Europe is to wipe out their population to be replaced by the Russians. Even at the peak of USSR their population was only 200 million plus while the entire EU now is over 500 million. It would be silly trying to feed EU when Russia cannot even feed their own properly.
Therefore, this Russia bogeyman thing is pointless really.
However, they might stir things up a bit at the boarder but that's just child play and peanuts.
However, since they started then lost WWII they need to pay for their past actions as long as they can endure and as long as the Victors can punish them for.
In that case, we should still be punishing France for Napoleon, the yanks should be punishing us for the War of Independence and about 1/3rd of the worlds countries should be looking to collectively punish us.
😀
But Brexshitters fly into an indignant rage if you mention colonial reparations....
Tom_W1987 - Member
In that case, we should still be punishing France for Napoleon, the yanks should be punishing us for the War of Independence and about 1/3rd of the worlds countries should be looking to collectively punish us.
Ya, but you (referring to victors) gave up that chance when the opportunity presented to you silly goose. Missed such a good chance.
However, the French got back their "dignity" when they helped the yanks to kick the Brits out of USA, thus restoring their pride.
No colony will be able to do the "reverse takeover" but the Yanks could (just about) yet did not because they are you (same blood).
Besides, why should the yanks want to take over BritLand again when the reason for them going there (USA) in the first place is to escape BritLand ...
😛
But Brexshitters fly into an indignant rage if you mention colonial reparations....
The rule is simple. Winner takes all so set the rules. Losers obey or disappear. Sometimes you win sometimes not which is a rule that is applicable to both sides.
the banks in the city of London are all making their plans to leave the UK as they will have to. another huge loss and own goal for the leavers. Thats the bit of our economy that stop us havig a huge balance of payments issue going
another thing predicted by the remainers, denied by the leavers, now happening
HSBC 1,000 roles confirmed to Paris – half of them returning French nationals.
Goldman Sachs 3,000 roles rumoured to be going, some to Frankfurt.
JP Morgan 4,000 roles could go, the bank has warned.
UBS 1,000 of 5,000 jobs will go to Frankfurt or Madrid, according to head of UBS’s investment bank.
Morgan Stanley 1,000 roles rumoured to be under threat.
[b]chewkw[/b]: [i]IMO Germany can rearm themselves to the hilt if they wish then start WWIII if they wish coz I totally support that[/i]
Do we have to put up with this guy on this forum?
Chewkbot is a burden we all have to bear
[quote=kimbers ]Chewkbot is a burden we all have to bear
unless you have blocked him. Then you just get obscure isolated quotes from those who rise to his trolling. It is quite amusing reading these snippets though.
Jambalaya - memberIf some of these skilled people do leave I have no doubt what so ever the positions will be taken up by others at least as talented from outside the EU who in the past have been discriminated against.
The situation right now is that recruiting from the EU is now really hard (all our current EU people are looking very nervous) while recruiting from outside the EU is a total PITA. TM isn't about to make immigration easier....
I imagine that post-Brexit, recruiting from *anywhere* will be the same hugely burdensome process.
@tjagain - surely banks leaving London will be a net positive?
- house prices in London become more affordable
- less pollution
- no need for new runway at Heathrow
- end of North/South divide
- safer roads
- no more annoying hipster fintech startups
- valuable lesson learned by UK electorate
What's not to like?
So no plan to cut low skilled immigration from the EU unless it is in the National Interest, what ever that is.
Remind me what Brexit was for?
Shackleton - interesting idea, how do you reach that conclusion?
Interesting to see banker baskets now worried aboun them leaving. Of course, the truth there is what happens re the single passport and the ability of banks to do business in different places. The plans announced to date are contingent on business that is covered by EU legislation being unable to continue from London. That is not a given. Or course this will not prevent the hyperbole and the scaremongering.
As noted yesterday, we ALL have responsibilit for not using inflammatory and inaccurate language even it is par for the course for some.
Banks, along with the rest of us, have to plan in advance. Can't turn the business round on a sixpence and have to ensure continuity. Thus what they do doesn't depend on the result of negotiations, it depends on what they think the risks are and what their lead time on decisions is.
The plans announced to date are contingent on business that is covered by EU legislation being unable to continue from London. That is not a given. Or course this will not prevent the hyperbole and the scaremongering.
Scaremongering? Are banks not planning to move staff? Will they wait 'till the final hour to put those plans in place?
As noted yesterday, we ALL have responsibilit for not using inflammatory and inaccurate language even it is par for the course for some.
Inaccurate language? Are you still doing your language control to shut down dissent nonsense?
Of course, the truth there is what happens re the single passport and the ability of banks to do business in different places. The plans announced to date are contingent on business that is covered by EU legislation being unable to continue from London. That is not a given. Or course this will not prevent the hyperbole and the scaremongering.
Minor detail obviously being how long does it take to move a business, and as the banks are legally responsible to their shareholders they have to do what they think is the right thing. Without a detailed idea of what the plan is they have to make some assumptions. And as the signals appear to be hard brexit to not respond accordingly opens them up to legal action around negligence.
No kelvin, I just happen to be directly involved in these discussion and would prefer the reality to reported not the fiction.
Happy for alternative views, less happy with obvious nonsense but I do enjoy reading it especially from one consistent and rich vein.
Hahaha so no immigration controls then - what a ****ing joke of a wind down. Bet we have to go through immigration controls to work in europe though.
The government has developed cold feet and backed themsekves into a right corner, I give May 6 months tops before a leadership challenge.
Hahaha so no immigration controls then
Even though I am in favour of FoM, I must point out that's not what's being said. They want to be able to control immigration, that doesn't mean stopping it. It means that they can let people in *when they want to* and not when they don't. Currently we do.
Quite a few leavers are going to be annoyed about this though I imagine.
What doesn't seem to be discusssed is how many of these foreign workers will be put off coming here after Brexit?
Tom, you should be celebrating. You have a hard line Brexshiteer watering down the rhetoric on immigration. That's a positive, not a negative. Indicates that the FoM red line is more lie,ly to be rather nice shade of rose.
progress, long may it continue....
Molgrips, they are simply using politician weasel speak. Theyll tell everyone that they technically got control of immigration and that they can clamp down on it at anytime (this will probably be a very liberal interpretation of the powers they may gain) - but theres a caveat....sorry...we cant...the economy lulz.
That way, they now get to be everything to everyone and we get the negatives of leaving the union and the negatives of a labour surplus.
Whoooooooooooo!
That would be great - we need immigration to continue. They have form here of course which is very positive for us - pretend that they are implementing austerity to pacify the fiscal hawks while at the same time running the one of the loosest fiscal policies in the developed world
IME always better to watch what they do not what they say they do. Reality v rhetoric
Except it wont be great, well leave the ECHr and the government will use a labour surplus unregulated by EU rules to artificially lower wages.
I bet the conservatives are ****ing themselves into comas right now.
Quite a few leavers are going to be annoyed about this though I imagine.
indeed, its almost as though immigration is good for the country, if not essential as our population faces its ageing timebomb
it was obvious that brexit would fix none of the issues the leavers had, who will they turn on once it fails?
What has this got to do with the ECHR?
How does limiting the supply of labour produce a surplus?
We really do have to stop the inflammatory rhetoric
Govt's idea of planning is to tell you to do something in advance of it occurring, how long you've to deal with it is your problem...
You've only got to see how they've published the off payroll rules to see that, finally delivered in Feb for an Apr 6th start. They really don't GAS about how folk will deal with it, and their software won't be ready until late March, but everyone has to be ready otherwise the penalties and fines could be horrendous.
If anyone is relying on governments to tell them what to do/how to plan they probably (in most cases) shouldn't be running businesses
Govs react, business leads
Theyll tell everyone that they technically got control of immigration
Well they will have that, and that's what a lot of leavers wanted. If the labour is needed, then they can be allowed in, but the key issue is that if it's not, they won't. That is a key difference.
Now of course, if the Labour isn't needed then why would people come? I guess that those who are already here and have built lives would stay anyway and end up on the dole. This is where it gets objectionable - it's fine for itinerant workers to go somewhere else when there's no work - either of their own free will or not; but sending established community memebrs out of the country rather than pay them dole, that's a far worse concept but one that I suspect a lot of leavers would have endorsed all the same.
That's a bloody long sentence isn't it?
THM, i can see the immigration line being along the lines of the Swiss compromise, effectively free movement, but as long as you advertise the job for Swiss first.
If that is the way it goes, some Brexiters really are going to have a fit!
THM - Mays attitude towards the ECHR and human rights in general, is indicative of her attitude towards all sorts of other rights as well. Workers rights, environmental law - if she can cut all these things and get cheaper labour to boot - then she will be a Thatcherite hero to many Conservatives.
I think a lot of the kippers were expecting heavy cuts in net migration, the conservatives are only going to inflame the situation further by going down a route that angers both sides. Maybe that is what they want though?
Lower value of £ will deter some workers coming?
Possibly a factor in why science and NHS are struggling to recruit from abroad/EU at the moment
Interesting comments from Ivan Rogers
Rogers says, although the EU and the US do not have a free trade agreements, they do have agreements covering trade. There are 20-plus agreements, he says.Q: So having no deal would not put the UK in the same position as the US?
Rogers says, if the UK leaves the single market, it will lose access.
He says he does not want to be “excessively alarmist”. But, if you are contemplating trading on WTO terms, you have to know what that will mean for every sector. He says he knows a lot about this subject, but he does not have all the answers to that. He says the government should be doing this analysis, and working out whether trading on WTO-terms would be realistic.
Tom, what has this got to do with Brexshit? You suggested that we'll leave the ECHR. I put it to you that this is untrue and merely an example of more scaremongering of which there has been much on this page alone
We are living up to the remoaners and project fear tags more by the day
Does he mean ECJ?
May has been banging on about leaving the ECHR for years now
No. I meant the ECHR.
Ever wonder why May keeps banging on about leaving?
It's all starting to make sense from the "all Tories are the arsehole descendants of slave owning scum" perspective.
Lower value of £ will deter some workers coming?
Hah. Itinerant workers will need to be paid more, in that case. Pushing costs up further.
WTO employment regs are notoriously slack on everything, from child labour, to workers rights etc- race to the bottom if thats where we are heading
Always expect people to make the least ethical and most politically expedient and profitable choices Kimbers.
We belong to a race of apes that are about half a chromosome away from hurling shit at each other, swinging from trees and fighting over who gets to rape a haram of females. Good, ethical governance is the exception not the norm.
meant there was zero chance of German rearmament.
Like after WW1?
Not that I live in fear of Germany starting WW3, but I believe the EU is one of a number of structures which has helped maintain a cohesive and generally peaceful Europe.
Not that I live in fear of Germany starting WW3, but I believe the EU is one of a number of structures which has helped maintain a cohesive and generally peaceful Europe.
Who was the last western european leader to get into a war?
Tom, I was giving you the benefit of perhaps confusing the ECJ and the ECHR. Since you are not, you are merely scaremongering. Glad that this is cleared up.
Dont worry you are not alone. We have had:
The banks in the city of London are all making their plans to leave the UK as they will have to
The negatives of a labour surplus
We'll leave the ECHR
All untrue, all exaggerations/false, all scaremongering
And that's just on one page
TJ what a total load of bollix. You do make me laugh having turned into a supporter of banking, I should dig out the quotes from the "Banker Bashing" thread I started a while back
HSBC 1,000 roles confirmed to Paris – half of them returning French nationals.
Goldman Sachs 3,000 roles rumoured to be going, some to Frankfurt.
JP Morgan 4,000 roles could go, the bank has warned.
UBS 1,000 of 5,000 jobs will go to Frankfurt or Madrid, according to head of UBS’s investment bank.
Morgan Stanley 1,000 roles rumoured to be under threat.
HSBC said it was [b]considering[/b] moving [b]up to[/b] 1,000 roles - nothing [b]confirmed[/b] about it at all. French employer and employee taxes are sky high and its hard to fire people ditto Germany - banks hate that.
Goldman roles will go (if any where) back to NY
The other numbers are "scare story" tactics to try and put pressure on the Government. Funny how they are all large round numbers.
I have told my MP if banks / financial services want a special deal with the EU [b]THEY[/b] should pay for it. I'll wager they'll shut up pretty promptly. Moving their staff to another EU country will add 25-30% to staff costs and the list of people willing to relocate to Frankfurt is minimal - even Germans don't wamt to work there.
European business has become hugely unprofitable and most London banks have massively cut back, HSBC is in the midst of a £4bn cost cutting programme and Barclays has been getting out of pretty much all its European business.
Mrmo, something along those lines
It seems that both sides want to prioritise citizens rights and how to tackle the horny issues around services. We shall see. Let them get on with it.
[I]We'll leave the ECHR
All untrue, all exaggerations/false, all scaremongering[/I]
Hmm, so sure?
jambas, tbf to TJ, Gulliver was quoted using some sloppy language back in January in a Bloomberg conference. So in the case of HSBC, it is justifiable to misread what is going on.
That's Gulliver's fault though not TJs
Oddly in their annual report published yesterday I am staggered to see no reference to Brexshit in the risk to business section nor in the CEO and Chairman's statements other than as a reason for weaker results. Indeed the word appears only once in 284 pages which given that this is the reason why they are leaving London seems a bit odd. 😉
Thank you br for confirming what I said - not related to Brexshit.
Different things
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/28/theresa-may-fight-2020-election-plans-take-britain-european/ ]Theresa May to fight 2020 election on plans to take Britain out of European Convention on Human Rights after Brexit is completed[/url]
Of course it's related to brexit, it is not possible without brexit and it's one of the reasons why she is in favour of brexit.