in other news the Mail today is apparently looking for someone to blame for the brexishambles
"The complacent idea fostered by the Brexiteers that the UK, as a major market for EU goods, is bound to get a good deal, is looking less convincing day by day"
I thought the Sunday and weekday Mail editions tend to have quite different editorial lines. Normal service will doubtless be resumed tomorrow.
The Mail on Sunday is a lot less swivel-eyed than the daily. (Relatively speaking.)
My parents have The Mail and I was surprised that The Sunday urged their readers to vote Remain.
[quote=jimw ]Intellectual pygmies is perhaps a bit harsh
Harsh on pygmies
I'm surprised at Hague - I always thought he had a clue, it puts his whole career in a different perspective if this is the real him
second rated comment from the daily fail report on Bankers legging it to europe, says it all really 😀 .
It's always the French at the front of the queue to stab the UK in the back,thanks for freeing them from the German occupation in WWII?
If only the Scotch had voted for independence the banks would now all be heading to Edinburgh. As it is they will now end up somewhere like Dublin.
If only the Scotch had voted for independence the banks would now all be heading to Edinburgh. As it is they will now end up somewhere like Dublin.
If they had voted for independence they wouldn't be in the EU so I doubt they would. Ireland isn't big enough for the risks associated with bailing banks too big to fail out so don't see them taking the big boys, they will be heading of somewhere else or nowhere
Actually Hague made a number of valid points.
I am in favour of independence for CBks but not omnipotence. The current policy mix is very misguided and on balance failing. The results of failure are yet to be seen, but they will be. Remember the last time CBks flodded markets at times of artificiality low interest rates? It wasn't that long ago.
Tbc, I am not defending either Gove or JRM but equally the BoE IS making mistakes and BIG ones at that. Hague was correct to point this out.
New York - according to a colleagues husband, who's been told to look into considering a move- hes in IT for a finance company, they are both french, but kids have grown up here so extra worried about it all
Noticed in Tesco yesterday that they didn't have as many offers on and those they did have were not as generous as before. Temporary blip or a sign of things to come?
Saying that, the 25% off 6+ bottles of wine is back so bingo!
It's always the French at the front of the queue to stab the UK in the back,thanks for freeing them from the German occupation in WWII?
That would have been the US then.
Hague was correct to point this out.
fair enough but the central bankers have been doing exatly what the governments want them to do, theyve kept rates low because our government(s) has been terrified of letting the housing bubble burst (chronic housing crisis, yet they build fk all new homes and come up with Help to Buy etc) so theyve been egging them on, happily. Lord Hague of Richmond is probably more upset that his multi million £ fortune doesnt make any interest and I imagine bought his latest mansion outright, doesnt worry about mortgage rates rising.
That would have been the US then
a pointless comment.
not sure the US entered the war for the purposes of helping their European partners - it wasn't until the Japanese prompted them with an attack that they joined in. France had already fallen by then.
[quote=teamhurtmore ]Actually Hague made a number of valid points.
I'm prepared to accept that having now read properly what he wrote - which wasn't exactly the same as what the two idiot boys were saying. So my sense of respect for him relative to those two is now somewhat restored.
a pointless comment.
A pointless comment to a pointless comment from the mail then..
On the banks it would be a surprise to see any major exits as such,just a subtle reorganisation before you realise that it's just a nameplate on the door and a few people to keep the Canary Wharf address etc. Not rocking the boat just accepting that London isn't the place it once was in an increasingly global economy. Outside of the EU it's competing with loads of other non EU cities and the EU ones not on a level playing field.
I suggest you look and see who liberated France - more little Englander b-s.
If only the Scotch had voted for independence the banks would now all be heading to Edinburgh. As it is they will now end up somewhere like Dublin
SNP where not proposing to have a central bank and with no lender of last resort or guarantor of deposit accounts and independent Scotland would have precisely no banks at all. Now should they join the euro etc they could start on that process.
Banking in London will continue just fine. London is a global market place and Europe is much much less important than some people here seem to think.
@Mike I agree about nameplates - they will be in EU somewhere, most banks have that already. The peoplenwill stay in London
Banking in London will continue just fine. London is a global market place and Europe is much much less important than some people here seem to think.
Both ways though, the UK will probably loose its advantages over other non eu cities so will have to compete harder with those while at the same time the eu cities will have advantages for the local markets over London.
The it's only a small amount, only a few jobs, only this only that is the death by 1000 cuts, not one thing will look huge but in a few years the cumulative total will be.
THM unbelievably they voted to leave which is bewildering as it is stupid.
Instead of insulting the peope of Wales why don't you stop and consider that they may have a point that you haven't fully appreciated
why don't you stop and consider that they may have a point that you haven't fully appreciated
Because after nearly 6 months most people have failed to bring one to the table that is based in facts.
So to qualify - immigration was debunked as causing the issues claimed
Neglect by the UK government is not the fault of the EU
Lack of investment in schools and health was the fault of the UK not the EU
The steel industry is about the only thing but a country making steel from entirely imported raw materials is in trouble. It's the same issue in the rest of the western world and as pointed out the Port Talbot works was a pension disater with a steel making hobby.
Corporation tax cut anyone? It's not like anyone pays their bit anyway.
If anything will unite both camps and I'm sure we can all agree Gove is a complete c*** there's a fact.
Everything that we see happening now with UK leaving the EU bureaucratic system is normal. Yes, normal.
No big deal as we are switching from one system to another.
Many institutions and organisations will be jockeying for positions while the adjustment underway. This adjustment will happen like all other major adjustments in the world.
The opportunity is presented to those that move on with the new next UK system while those sticking to the rejected EU system will slowly be left behind.
Relax, move on and be happy as what you see now is normal.
Hopefully any new system will be like Universal Tax Credits, a stroke of UK genius.
Jamba have you ever been to Ebbw Vale? Don't lie now I know telling untruths is your default position
What position have I not appreciated?
The opportunity is presented to those that move on with the new next UK system while those sticking to the rejected EU system will slowly be left behind.
Indeed. Rumour is its going to be called the "fuedel system". Sounds terribly exciting!
[url= http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-3839945/Car-makers-roll-wave-rises-face-higher-costs-pound-s-slump.html ]Car prices rise.[/url]
Car prices rise.
but but but the weak pound was supposed to turn us into a mega-manufacturing, ,exporting, world beating titan.....
Instead of insulting the peope of Wales why don't you stop and consider that they may have a point that you haven't fully appreciated
Are you suggesting that they are xenophobic?
Kimbera - overly hash. BOE is independent , why do you think the likes of Gove and Rees-Mogg get so sweaty when they state the obvious facts that contradict their lies?
Instead of insulting the peope of Wales why don't you stop and consider that they may have a point that you haven't fully appreciated
Speaking as a person of Wales I'm also keen to hear this point that they may have.
Their attacks on Carney, along with other brexiters leaking against the treasury show that May is also having trouble controlling the vitriol that the referendum has stirred up
Not just blaming everyone else for the impending mess, but also furiously briefing against each other....
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/23/tories-cutting-each-others-throats-on-theresa-mays-leaking-ship ]Rats in a sack[/url]
its ironic but there are a lot of similarities between the Brexiteers and Jeremy Corbyn. They're the Tory Awkward Squad. They're spent their careers being a PITA to the front bench. And now people are expecting them to suddenly be disciplined and start behaving themselves. Yeah... some chance.
I think theres a possibility that this facade could very rapidly come crumbling down, because behind the scenes the Tory's are as fundamentally divided as labour
is this a relative of yours binners ?
You can't blame leaks for the already unfolding disaster. May, Fox and Johnson are making public utterances which not only are at odds with each other, but betray a profoundly ignorant, superficial idea of the consequences of their ill-thought schemes. They have already alienated the very people they depend on to give us a good deal, closed off the best options , spooked the markets and encouraged businesses to start planning their escape. Their ineptitude is staggering, the consequences economically ruinous, and the fallout one of toxic division within the country. They could hardly get it more wrong. They have no idea what they are doing or how to negotiate, and are more interested in their own careers and the extremist wing of the nasty party. It is a disaster of colossal stupidity and vainglorious ineptitude.
Exactly, numbers, there seems to be a split in the government and in the electorate, it's either all about immigrants or all about the economy- the reality is that the 2 are all tangled up, its not just that the single market would require freedom of movement, but that our economic model and ageing population depends on a steady influx of migrannts.
The economy won the Tories the last 2 elections, immigration won the referendum
May seems to prioritise controlling immigration over everything else.
[quote=binners ]I think theres a possibility that this facade could very rapidly come crumbling down, because behind the scenes the Tory's are as fundamentally divided as labour
It's got to the point where I'm pinning my hopes on them being so incompetent that they screw it up so much it becomes quite clear to the majority what a bad idea it all is and somebody finds a way to save a bit of face whilst giving up on the whole thing.
Because I've pretty much given up on the idea of there being some secret plan which is going to make it all right.
The thing is, if they **** it up enough they might just make Corbyn electable. I reckon Farron already is, though he's clearly not going to be in a position to form a government himself - the electorate really could be sold a package of the Lib Dems putting a brake on what are seen as Labour's more extreme tendencies, and it's certainly something I could vote for when the alternative is the current bunch of loons.
The economy won the Tories the last 2 elections, immigration won the referendum
It [b]lost[/b] the Tories the referendum, since they were pro-remain.
What a fantastic turn of phrase 🙂vainglorious ineptitude.
Klunk. I don't know how anyone with anything between their ears can look at this unfolding slow motion car crash and conclude anything else.
Like aracer, I'm hoping that this whole thing implodes, through shear incompetence and back-biting, before they get the chance to do the vast amount of damage their ****-wittery is surely capable of
Speaking as a person of Wales I'm also keen to hear this point that they may have.
Fairplay 🙂
Speak to some then although I'd suggest not calling them uneducated racists if you want a sensible reply / not a punch in the face
I see the frenetic doom and gloom clickbait continues, going to be a good quarter for newspaper ad revenues.
Meanwhile in actual "it's happening" news Calais Jungle is being dismantled today with migrants being moved far away and being given choice of claiming Asylum in France or deportation. Exactly the opposite of what Remainers told us would happen. French press reporting many 100's of far left British anarchists trying to disrupt the operation.
So you haven't been to Ebbw Vale you just thought you would try and score a point 🙄
What about the lie you pedalled about Clinton having had a stroke, are you going to brush that off with a emoticon????
Also as a person of Wales I was left dumbfounded by the result in Wales but then we have managed to elect members of the English Nationalist Party to the Assembly 😯
The result in Wales was a good example of the massive failure of the remain camp to get their message over (Labour and Plaid) and the belief in the lies spread by the leave camp - I had their leaflet through the door.
This says it all really:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale
[quote=jambalaya ]Exactly the opposite of what Remainers told us would happen.
All of them? Because I'm a remainer (and proud of it) and don't think I've ever commented on it. Why would I when it's irrelevant to Brexit?
Speak to some then
What makes you think I don't? Half my family are from a few Valleys over. And even some of them are uneducated racists.
Exactly the opposite of what Remainers told us would happen.
IIRC the remain campaign was full of what *might* happen. You appreciate there's a difference, right? Only an idiot campaigns based on what's definitely going to happen.
don't know how anyone with anything between their ears can look at this unfolding slow motion car crash and conclude anything else.
IMF apologises and admits they exaggerated Brexit doom and gloom "forecast"
UK manufacturing up
Services all time record quarter
UK highest growth of G7
Calais camp dismantled
European exporters facing overly strong €/£. Irish farmers receive €150m emergency support
Binners the economic bumps we may see in the UK are but the smallest trifle in comparison to the financial time bomb that is the eurozone Sovereign Debt crises
Why would a bank spend £££ moving staff to a higher cost higher tax location when for (say) 2-3% they can have an EU based entity front (white label) their products. Add to that genuine EU/European business run out of London is tiny - eg Lloyds Insurance 4% of their turnover
And we're back in la la land....
Us idiot remainers eh (actually I think it was captain Loser himself David Cameron who said the border would shift to Dover)
I wonder what the next French president thinks?
http://news.sky.com/story/alain-jupp233-calls-for-uk-border-to-move-from-calais-to-kent-10625773
As for uneducated racists in Wales, having lived there for 3 years, well they have their fair share and we all know...
Not everyone who voted Brexit is a racist but every racist voted for Brexit'
