Now I knowthat ranks alongside John Lennon's Imagine in it's level of achievablity - but how do we move towards that not away?
igm, exactly this. Just because something seems out of our sites now, why should we not still strive to achieve it?
Policy-based evidence making. Conservatives are very keen on it.
Policy-based head in the sands evidence dismissal, more like. No-one's yet got a half-plausible story where this has a happy ending.
Policy-based evidence making
🙂 but also 😥 because it is just so true......still, made me smile through the tears.
Policy-based evidence making
Love this 🙂
Mike that Treasury Report leaked to the Times is based on projections from April made at the request of George Osbourne, ie massively one-eyed pessimistic scenarios designed to scare the population into voting remain. They are the same figures used for the £4000 a year loss to each household.
@zokes well if the definition of internationalist means being able to travel throughout the world I am good with that and thats what I meant, if it means the ability to live and work anywhere without any checks then I am not.
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If we stay in Europe and ignore all the laws that we don't like what would happen?
Mike that Treasury Report leaked to the Times is based on projections from April made at the request of George Osbourne, ie massively one-eyed pessimistic scenarios designed to scare the population into voting remain. They are the same figures used for the £4000 a year loss to each household.
Jammers darling. You, The Daily Mail, The cabinet and other wilfully blind people are missing the point, quite spectacularly, but very deliberately
We haven't even started yet.
There are a bunch of (ideologically motivated) clowns at the wheel
The wish list of demands are never going to be granted in a million years.They simply can't be
With every day that passes this country looks more and more insular, small minded and unpleasant
Internationalism?
Good luck with that.....
If we stay in Europe and ignore all the laws that we don't like what would happen?
We'd become French.
If we stay in Europe and ignore all the laws that we don't like what would happen?
We'd be Spanish.
Edit@ beaten to the punchline by 15 seconds 🙂
zokes - Still not a customerinternationalist ... a great album by Powderfinger...
isn't it just.
i found my copy by pressing the 'cd eject' button in a hire car, which was nice.
massively one-eyed pessimistic scenarios designed to scare the population into voting remain.
You're right people should stop doing down this great country. The treasury are the worst, a bunch of pinko-liberals pushing their ill-informed internationalist communist agenda on the rest of the country. 🙄
Amazingly you are blind to when your side promised the world- and is still doing so despite it being utterly unachievablemassively one-eyed pessimistic scenarios designed to scare the population into voting remain.
Its true they were overly pessimistic and brexiters hopelessly optimistic
We all know [unless we do policy based evidence making] it will be shit the only question is how shit and for how long
BBC News video story about retail price rises with the usual standard of intelligent and insightful vox pops 😆
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37612777
Text-based one here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37605642
Le Penn will be much more supportive
Awesome.
I can't wait to have that right wing mug in my corner!
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massively one-eyed pessimistic scenarios designed to scare the population into voting remain.
Lol 🙂 Cos leave never lied....
You're arguing from a pre-determined point, Jam.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37612777
they export more to us, than we buy off them
This sounds like the sort of nonsense Jambalair comes up with.
we won't buy their flowers, we'll buy English flowers instead!
These people must be actors.
These people must be actors.
Unfortunately not. They're Turkeys who've just been asked if they're looking forward to Christmas
Terrifying isn't it?
says it all nicely i think.
The 10 year one is much more fun.
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love Hammonds
Yeah it's not volatility or turbulance it's one way traffic.We are going to go through a period of volatility, there will be lots of commentary going on and we can expect to see markets being more turbulent over this period and we should prepare for that.
From BBC above - the words could and up to are important btw - always quote the worst case for clickbait ....
Tariffs on clothes of 16% - so what portion of the High Street pricemof clothes represents cost of manufacturer / import 30% ? So a £50 item in shops would see a tariff price rise of £2.40 even at highest possible tariff - note also that's extra tax to Government to pay for schools and hospitals.
Yeah it's not volatility or turbulance it's one way traffic.
Yes at the moment, huge amounts being bet by speculators all against the £. When it snaps back it will move very quickly. The BoE is not intervening as inflation is below target and lower £ helps trade deficit
When it snaps back it will move very quickly.
When do you see this happening?
What conditions would need to be met for it to snap back?
[i]If you're one of those families. If you're just managing. I want to address you directly. I know you're working around the clock, I know you're doing your best, and I know that sometimes, life can be a struggle. [/i] said Saint Theresa.
Not sure how that ties in with price increases across the board, unless they can somehow magically increase incomes at the same time. But anyway.
When they cancel Brexit Graham
If you're one of those families. If you're just managing. I want to [s]address[/s] patronise you directly.
FTFY 😉
one way traffic
Yes, there's definitely a clear downward trend in the value of the pound I think we can all agree that Brexit must be [i]entirely[/i] to blame for this
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I think this lot are mental enough to go for a hard brexit. The simple reason is the brexit slogan take back control.
Our negotiating position with the EU is incredibly weak. Once the wider public realise this, the brexshit brigade who narrowly won the referendum on their promise to take back control will face political disaster.
So the simple way for these total sh*ts to save face is to walk away from any substantive negotiations to avoid such an embarrassing unmasking. Don't think for one moment this isn't happening, the last week demonstrates otherwise. They are determined to push the button and let their successors and us deal with the consequences.
Hard exit is the soft exit for them.
entirely to blame for what is happening today is the actual claim you deliberately mis stated/ignored as you trollalong
Tariffs on clothes of 16% - so what portion of the High Street pricemof clothes represents cost of manufacturer / import 30% ? So a £50 item in shops would see a tariff price rise of £2.40 even at highest possible tariff - note also that's extra tax to Government to pay for schools and hospitals.
Except we have screwed stirling, so we also have to factor in the higher cost of imported goods from (in the case of clothing) the likes of China, Indonesia, Taiwan etc.. In reality its the tarifs plus the increased cost of imported goods, which would mean your £52.40 could easily be £60.
sorry yeah I misquoted him it should have read...
We are going to go through [s]a period[/s] over half a century of volatility, there will be lots of commentary going on and we can expect to see markets being more turbulent over this period and we should prepare for that.
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@zokes well if the definition of internationalist means being able to travel throughout the world I am good with that and thats what I meant, if it means the ability to live and work anywhere without any checks then I am not.
You were the one who (laughably) stated that you were an internationalist. I'm just pointing out that to truly be an internationalist, you'd have to be advocating the removal of barriers to movement / work / trade, not the opposite.
Seriously mate, whatever creative substance you're on, can I have some? I have some minor worldly experience in such things, but I've never come across quite such a potent hallucinogen before...
Our negotiating position with the EU is incredibly weak. Once the wider public realise this, the brexshit brigade who narrowly won the referendum on their promise to take back control will face political disaster.
Unfortunately this may need to involve a credible opposition with a sane alternative policy on the subject. You see any sign of one of those? No... me neither.
Corbyns position, having read the detail of it in Sundays Observer, is even more insane than the Tory's. He's not fussed about remaining in the single market (what with it being an evil capitalist construct, and all that) but he does want to retain freedom of movement.
Well done Jezza. You listened to the message of voters loud and clear there then. You really couldn't make it up.
There are a handful of voices in parliament that don't sound like the've just escaped from an institution and are presently off their meds. And they're coming from some increasingly alarmed Tory backbenchers, and Nick Clegg. Who'd have thought it'd be the likes of Nicky Morgan and Anna Soubry we'd be looking too as the lone voice of sanity
The world has gone mad! We really are well and truly ****ed, aren't we?
Except we have screwed stirling, so we also have to factor in the higher cost of imported goods from (in the case of clothing) the likes of China, Indonesia, Taiwan etc.. In reality its the tarifs plus the increased cost of imported goods, which would mean your £52.40 could easily be £60
Meaning that it may become beneficial to begin onshoring production again, rather than manufacturing abroad.
Another brexit disaster...
Meaning that it may become beneficial to begin onshoring production again, rather than manufacturing abroad.
I won't argue against that in theory. But in practice, unless brits are willing to work for similar wages to those paid to chinese / indian etc. workers, then it's going to result in increased costs to the consumer.
Yes, there's definitely a clear downward trend in the value of the pound I think we can all agree that Brexit must be entirely to blame for this
Indeed, but the precipitous drop beginning around June of this year just might have [i]something[/i] to do with Brexit. No?
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Meaning that it may become beneficial to begin onshoring production again, rather than manufacturing abroad.
Which isn't going to happen.
When are you half-wits going to understand that globalisation isn't going to stop for us just because we have decided to take a break from it.
El-bent - MemberOur negotiating position with the EU is incredibly weak. Once the wider public realise this, the brexshit brigade who narrowly won the referendum on their promise to take back control will face political disaster.
i doubt it, the same tub-thumping press that supported/encouraged them in the past, will not miss any opportunities to blame 'the left', and or foreigners, for anything and everything...
indeed it will be their [EU]fault for punishing us by simply applying the rules of the club and not letting us be special and in it without paying for nor adhering to its rules and those who predicted this for "doing britain down"
Or better still, it will be the fault of the remainers for not cheerleading through the whole fiasco. Whatever, you can bet it won't be the fault of the idiots who campaigned for it, voted for it or implemented it.
