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Yup and there is a mutual benefit to free trade, good for them and good for us. Their arguments for restricting it are politcal not economic. There will be a cost to them of no free trade, they maybe prepared to oay that cost in order to try and protect "the project"
I for one am shocked that this may happen. Who would have thought it, who could have predicted it?
£ down
FTSE100 up
FTSE250 flat
nice easy trends to make money from the Brexshiteers!
On the political v economic idea, where does Brexshit lie. All studies quoted point to bad economic decision, so we are presumably favouring politics too? Either that or just being plain stupid....
I worry about my dad and brother who run the family farm. Currently there is a limit to how much lamb and beef is imported into the EU. The export market to the EU greatly influences the price we can get at home due to increased competition that is outside the control of the big super markets. Farmers outside the EU can produce lamb and beef much more cheaply than we can in the UK. Being exposed to global markets I expect will be a huge shock to the agricultural economy. When we sign all these new trade agreements which parts of the economy do we decide we want to protect and which are we willing to sacrice and what power and skills does our civil service and government have to make those deals and strategy?
At the moment we have zero experience and zero direction of the strategic direction of our ecomony except for the primacy of financial services which is why we are in this mess in the first place.
I beleive my dad and brothers business will be sacrified as we either beg for trade deals with the rest of the world and/or sacrificed in order to promote those sectors of the economy that we can compete in. It would be economic madness to do anything else if we are going to expose ourselves to free trade. Not sure exactly how this is going to solve the problems of those who feel they want to take back control.
Its Ok GEDA
Andrea Leadsome is looking out for the farmers 😯
(lets just pretend she wasnt humiliated at the Oxford Farming Conference last week)
GEDA, using history to predict the future is always dangerous but the best parallel we have is fisheries policy, remember that Farage was the UK representative on that one. That fishing quotas were regularly given for favours in other areas.
Obviously what the plan is with CAP will be a big issue. History suggests that vested interests will win on that one.
They should be happy this year CAP and exports in Euros when the pound is tanking can only be a good thing!
Our products won't be cheap in a year's time once all the extra cost of importing the materials has filtered through.
Isn't CAP dependant on what the WTO dictates? As the WTO are anti-state subsidies to prevent dumping. That was one of the point made in the run up to the vote, as if we shift to WTO trade deal the farming subsidies will have to stop and the farmers will have to compete in the global market.
WTO director general Roberto Azevedo - “UK farmers would have to compete with Brazil, Argentina, Australia and the United States on a par – with no tariffs, no quotas and potentially no subsidies, because they will have to reduce the subsidies as well."
- http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/wto-issues-uk-farm-brexit-warning.htm
Which why is seemed insane that the majority of farming communities voted to cut their own throats.
Seems quite logical with WTO rules, and yes I expect they voted for Brexit.
The sensible option seems to say that we want Brexit but will not call it until it is in our interest and in the mean time refocus our ecomony so we can do a good job when we do do Brexit.
I expect that the farmers will be royally ****ed and I"m looking forward to it cos they voted for it, like the selfish xenophobic bigots that they (often) are. Sadly of course some good people will be caught up in the shit, that's what happens when we pander to extremists and zealots.
selfish xenophobic bigots that they (often) are.
Really? I'd have thought Farming is a massive consumer of Eastern European Labour?
The only farmer I know exclusively employs Eastern Europeans and a vast percentage of the Eastern European Community in the two areas I know well work in farming. (I'm thinking maybe 90pc...)
Yes I know it seems idiotic, but lots of fields round here had leave billboards in. Of course not so much veg picking up here (yorkshire dales, mostly livestock).
Yes I know it seems idiotic, but lots of fields round here had leave billboards in.
I'm not questioning that Farmers voted to leave, I have no idea if they did or not.
I am questioning that Farmers are bigoted and xenophobic, given they work almost exclusively with non-uk workers.
What your evidence that farmers are bigoted and xenophobic?
Same here most (if not all) were full of vote leave billboards, which made zero sense; which is why the NFU backed remain.
Hopefully switching to WTO deal won't have the same implications for rural communities that it did when NZ did it (suicides up, land/house prices down, small businesses gone, communities bankrupt)
Don't worry about land prices.
Prediction: planning rules will be torn up to allow rural land owners to make money from suburbanising the countryside as payments for environmental protection and food security get binned after next general election.
Hopefully switching to WTO deal won't have the same implications for rural communities that it did when NZ did it
From Wikipedia:
The government offered a number of subsidies during the 1970s to assist farmers after the United Kingdom joined the European Economic Community[3] and by the early 1980s government support provided some farmers with 40 percent of their income.[4] In 1984 the Labour government ended all farm subsidies,[5] and by 1990 the agricultural industry became the most deregulated sector in New Zealand.[6] To stay competitive in the heavily subsidised European and US markets New Zealand farmers had to increase the efficiency of their operations.
New Zealand farmers had to increase the efficiency of their operations.
And how exactly do you think they did this?
NZ is better off now but it had a very rough time to get to where it is now.
Prediction: planning rules will be torn up to allow rural land owners to make money from suburbanising the countryside as payments for environmental protection and food security get binned after next general election.
Brexit just keeps on giving.
No doubt Enola can do a fantastic deal that we can buy food from China at highly inflated rates or they oooh turn off our electricity.
Take back control? Sold to the only person prepared to bid.
There's your ****ing enemy of the people.
planning rules will be torn up to allow rural land owners to make money from suburbanising the countryside
Already happened. The national planning framework was basically a green light to build. We've lost so much stunning land in the areas I'm familiar with.
And how exactly do you think they did this?
No idea. (Assuming that question was aimed at me.)
[i] Currently there is a limit to how much lamb and beef is imported into the EU. [/I]
Yes, and the UK will be 'joining' that limit - so which country will be happy to give up market share so the UK can have some?
This is the same the world over, and all that will occur is that the EU will keep their % they currently have to non-EU countries and the UK will then have to 'acquire' share from other countries - and yes, they won't just give us it...
The government offered a number of subsidies during the 1970s to assist farmers after the United Kingdom joined the European Economic Community
See, as many of us have been saying, we cast aside and shat on our commonwealth partners to cosy up to the EEC, it was a bloody travesty.
Yes, and the UK will be 'joining' that limit - so which country will be happy to give up market share so the UK can have some?
UK is a net importer of Beef and Lamb, in fact we import nearly 100k tones of the stuff - we dont need to export anything to anyone, we could just concentrate on serving our home market and buying from our own farmers.
Should food be shipped from the other side of the world or from just across the sea?
Should food be shipped from the other side of the world or from just across the sea?
Due to the nature of sea miles rather than road miles, allied with extensive rearing, the carbon footprint of imported NZ meat is generally lower than EU imported meat
edit (mint) source:
[i]One study by Lincoln University, in New Zealand, found that 2,849kg of carbon dioxide is produced for every tonne of lamb raised in Britain, while just 688kg of the gas is released with imported New Zealand lamb, even after it has travelled the 11,000 miles to Britain. Researchers and farmers in Britain have raised doubts over the accuracy of the New Zealand figures, but they concede that sheep farming in New Zealand is more efficient than in our own country.[/i]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1553456/Greener-by-miles.html
[quote=ninfan ]Due to the nature of sea miles rather than road miles, allied with extensive rearing, the carbon footprint of imported NZ meat is generally lower than EU imported meatI'd really like to see some stats on that. And I mean [i]really[/i] like to see them, not just to try and disprove a point. It annoys me that the Tesco in Aviemore sells New Zealand venison when the local hills are being ravaged by the antlered vermin! I might calm down a bit if there are sound reasons 🙂
we dont need to export anything to anyone, we could just concentrate on serving our home market and buying from our own farmers.
Try telling that to the people who don't want to pay for it and would rather buy cheaper imported meat. And 90%* of those people voted leave.
*I don't need to evidence where the 90% figure came from as following the lead from Leavers.
I'll stick to British lamb (providing someone is still producing it in x years time).
@ Scotroutes - fill yer boots
(though I would suggest that the issue with UK venison for Tesco is its seasonality and traceability, therefore suppliers likely to go for farmed rather than wild, and NZ having a much more established continuity of farmed venison supplies, and most probably still cheaper)
Ta.
Off to digest!
No doubt Enola can do a fantastic deal that we can buy food from China at highly inflated rates or they oooh turn off our electricity.
China is buying up huge amounts of Farmland across Europe so the food miles will be relatively low, however they are doing this to ensure food security; so we would only get what they don't want or need.
So in the event of a food crisis we can always get our Blitz cookbooks out and get down the allotment.
http://www.marketplace.org/2016/09/19/world/chinese-investors-are-buying-french-farmland
[i]we dont need to export anything to anyone, we could just concentrate on serving our home market and buying from our own farmers. [/I]
What, and miss out on selling premium products to those willing to pay the extra?
Not sure you've a handle on this business thing... 🙄
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we dont need to export anything to anyone, we could just concentrate on serving our home market and buying from our own farmers.
Don't we not grow enough food for the population in the UK?
..... the local hills are being ravaged by the antlered vermin!
I can't believe that it's still a problem - you really need to secure your borders from Scandinavian raiding parties.
I think you'll find that all those Brexit signs in the fields of Yorkshire were for Gods country to Exit Britain. I'm sick of all those re-moaners who want be in Britain.
Free Yorkshire and make it cheap.
Don't we not grow enough food for the population in the UK?
Surely we can all just eat cake? Apparently its in endless supply and you can eat it as many times as you like.
Grow enough food? Probably not since 1760 or thereabouts.
The referendum was a great example of this. Large numbers of people better educated than average – the sort of people who work as producers at the BBC – talked about their vote like this:‘Farage is racist, he hates gay people and made that comment about foreigners with HIV, he wants to turn the clock back and pull the drawbridge up, I’m not like that, my friends aren’t like that, I am on the other side to people like that, I am tolerant and modern, I will vote IN.’
All over the country sentiments almost identical to this were expressed in large numbers. The idea that millions of graduates voted because they ‘studied the issues’ is laughable to anybody who spent time measuring opinion honestly. Almost none of these people know more about what a Customs Unions is than a bricky in Darlington. They did not vote on the basis of thinking hard about the dynamics of EMU or about how Brussels will cope with issues like gene drives. Millions thought – there’s two gangs and I know which one I’m in. Another subset of the better educated feared the short-term economic disruption of a Leave vote would cost them money. They also did not vote on the basis of deep consideration of the issues.
This made me chuckle - an excerpt from a [url= https://dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/on-the-referendum-21-branching-histories-of-the-2016-referendum-and-the-frogs-before-the-storm-2/ ]blog [/url]by Dominic Cummings.
"This made me chuckle - an excerpt from a blog
by Dominic Cummings."
Funny because it's true.
Of course it is true.
The number of people in the UK who fully understand the implications of remain/leave are but a handful.
Still… we all got a vote…
There is a wonderful passage in Anna Karenina that sums this up, much better than any ‘political scientist’ has done:‘Oblonsky never chose his tendencies and opinions any more than he chose the style of his hat or coat. He always wore those which happened to be in fashion. Moving in a certain circle where a desire for some form of mental activity was part of maturity, he was obliged to hold views in the same way he was obliged to wear a hat. If he had a reason for preferring Liberalism to the Conservatism of many in his set, it was not that he considered the liberal outlook more rational but because it corresponded better with his mode of life… The Liberal Party said that marriage was an obsolete tradition which ought to be reformed, and indeed family life gave Oblonsky very little pleasure, forcing him to tell lies and dissemble, which was quite contrary to his nature. The Liberal Party said, or rather assumed, that religion was only a curb on the illiterate, and indeed Oblonsky could not stand through even the shortest church service without aching feet, or understand the point of all that dreadful high-flown talk about the other world when life in this world was really rather pleasant… Liberalism had become a habit with Oblonsky and he enjoyed his newspaper, as he did his after-dinner cigar, for the slight haze it produced in his brain.’
This is rather good too!
They also did not vote on the basis of deep consideration of the issues.
No, but there's more to it than just the economics. A lot of people enjoy freedom of movement, and are friends with people who also enjoy it - so on that basis a vote is pretty simple.
That was a huge factor for me, whatever the economics.
…still… listening to Farage, Hannon and Gove framing the (different and contradicting) Leave arguments, and then considering their motivations and past records, was entirely valid. Just like listening to Blair, Cameron and Davidson and doing likewise was. Thinking "what exactly are these people trying to achieve and why" is what most people did… together with reading very very very simplified writings on the EU and our place inside/outside it…
That was a huge factor for me, whatever the economics.
Same here… Osbourne and Cameron decided that economics was the trump card in the campaign, as they thought most Brits couldn't give too hoots about keeping their right to free movement… or at least that those who do care would vote Remain already, so the campaign should concentrate on those people who don't. Sound reasoning, but it did add to the "negative" feel of the campaign.
its obvious what narcissists are trying to achieve
edit: no its not, I forgot recent vote results, excuse me. Clearly not obvious at all, I take it back.
Obvious what each narcissist was trying to acheive perhaps, but the contradictory aims of each one really should have set off more alarm bells than it did with the electorate…
The easiest way to balance out the "leave for greater protectionism" and "leave to escape protectionism" Brexit campaigners is to choose the middle ground… and not exit at all.
The easiest way to balance out the "leave to increase immigration from commonwealth countries" and "leave to stop non Christians coming here" Brexit campaigners is to choose the middle ground… and not exit at all.
The easiest way to balance out the "globalisation has left the working people behind" and "give Britain a more global outlook and open our markets to more countries" Brexit campaigners is to choose the middle ground… and not exit at all.
Well not being in the gang with the racists sound like a good enough argument to me!
Even if ,and it may come as a shock to Cummings, my own reasons extended beyond which gang I should choose.
I was not a fan of Cameron, Blair, Osborne, May etc either.
Just because vote leave won all of a sudden they think they are experts 😉
It annoys me that the Tesco in Aviemore sells New Zealand venison when the local hills are being ravaged by the antlered vermin! I might calm down a bit if there are sound reasons
The UK has never really taken to venison so farming is out and hunting is bad because that's a rich people's sport. We are a bit too American and like beef and bacon.
Never mind that some of our European neighbours do quite well by combining professional deer stalking with tourism and so get pest control and yummy meat that is almost self-financing.
You'd think with the damage that they do, somebody could shoot the buggers and put them in my freezer, but no...
If it's the venison I've seen it's called Highland Game. Only when you scrutinize the small print do you discover it's from New Zealand!
We get ours from these guys in Fife, it is unbelievably nice
https://seriouslygoodvenison.co.uk/
One of my reasons for voting in, how many people of died in wars in Europe, how much peace has there been in the last thousand years, quite obvious the nation state as an idea has failed. So let's try something new, cooperation.
One of my reasons for voting in, how many people of died in wars in Europe, how much peace has there been in the last thousand years, quite obvious the nation state as an idea has failed
Which partnership of nations do you think is responsible for the continued peace that we have witnessed over the last 65 years, the EU or NATO?
Haven't the two civil wars we have witnessed in Europe during that time been directly due to republics being artificially forced to cooperate as one, and that relationship breaking down, with them returning to stability as independent nation states?
[I]Which partnership of nations do you think is responsible for the continued peace that we have witnessed over the last 65 years, the EU or NATO?[/I]
Both I would suggest, along with the total destruction of the German state.
Really? Has anyone told Mama Merkel?
In case you hadn't noticed, Germany is still there, the German state was never destroyed, they were occupied.
@mefty absolutely fascinating blog link thanks. A long read so no posting here for a while, something other STWers may well thank you for 😉
[b]On Cumming's motivation[/b]
I thought that Leaving would improve the probability of 1) Britain contributing positively to the world and 2) minimising dangers. I thought it would:
1. minimise Britain’s exposure to the problems caused by the EU;
2. improve the probability that others in Europe would change course before more big crises hit, e.g. by limiting free movement which is the biggest threat to continued free trade;
3. require and therefore hopefully spark big changes in the fundamental wiring of UK government including an extremely strong intelligent focus on making Britain the best place in the world for science and education;
4. improve the probability of building new institutions for international cooperation to minimise the probability of disasters.
[b]On Immigration[/b]
This was brought home to me very starkly one day. I was conducting focus groups of Conservative voters. I talked with them about immigration for 20 minutes (all focus groups now start with immigration and tend to revert to it within two minutes unless you stop them). We then moved onto the economy. After two minutes of listening I was puzzled and said – who did you vote for? Labour they all said. An admin error by the company meant that I had been talking to core Labour voters, not core Tory voters. On the subject of immigration, these working class / lower middle class people were practically indistinguishable from all the Tories and UKIP people I had been talking to.
[b]On "the middle ground" and extremism[/b]
It doesn’t occur to SW1 (Westminster postcode) and the media that outside London their general outlook is seen as extreme. Have an immigration policy that guarantees free movement rights even for murderers, so we cannot deport them or keep them locked up after they are released? Extreme. Have open doors to the EU and don’t build the infrastructure needed? Extreme. Take violent thugs who kick women down stairs on CCTV, there is no doubt about their identity, and either don’t send them to jail or they’re out in a few months? Extreme. Have a set of policies that stops you dealing with the likes of ‘the guy with the hook’ for over a decade while still giving benefits to his family? Extreme. Ignore warnings about the dangers of financial derivatives, including from the most successful investor in the history of the world, and just keep pocketing the taxes from the banks and spending your time on trivia rather than possible disasters? Extreme. Make us – living on average wages without all your lucky advantages – pay for your bailouts while you keep getting raises and bonuses? Extreme and stupid – and contemptible.
So what is the state of people's right to have permanent residency in other EU countries. I am British and live in Sweden and after so many years with a job one automatically has a right to live here permanently. I wonder how many other EU countries have a system like that? Makes the argument the UK government is having with itself seem a bit strange if they did.
One google search later and it seems it is EU law that after 5 years one automatically gets permanent residency status?????
Wow I had no idea Cummings was so clueless, I thought he was sone sort of svengali , rather than just another Tory hack.
It was point 3 that was the real killer, after that he's obviously lucky rather than good 😉
If vl had managed 70 or even 60% majority his opinion would carry some weight,
With such a tiny margin of win he's just swinging in the dark like the rest of us !
absolutely fascinating blog link thanks
His blogging is often very interesting, he approaches things from a very different perspective to most who write about politics, who it is fair to say he does not have a very high regard for.
With such a tiny margin of win he's just swinging in the dark like the rest of us !
If you read it you would discover he says much the same himself.
Haven't the two civil wars we have witnessed in Europe during that time been directly due to republics being artificially forced to cooperate as one, and that relationship breaking down, with them returning to stability as independent nation states?
And them then joining/wishing to join the EU.
If you read it you would discover he says much the same himself.
my problem is that this comment is just so stupid it puts me off
3. require and therefore hopefully spark big changes in the fundamental wiring of UK government including an extremely strong intelligent focus on making Britain the best place in the world for science and education;
That's exactly what the Brexiters want rid of, GEDA. Even if all those well-qualified people who work in the UK are told they can stay it will no longer be a right. I think people will feel in a precarious situation and make plans that don't include the UK when it comes to retirement time or earlier.
What kind of company divides it's workers into Labour/Tory and Brexit/Remain, Jamba?
Kimbers the UK is already [b]one of[/b] the best places in the world for Science and Education. Just look at the global University rankings. Why not make it better ? If all the EU academics strop off I predict there will be a very long queue from the rest of the world keen to take their place.
EDIT: too much if the higher education argument from Remainers is based on the EU funding, which is just our own money back less a 60% haircut. Whilst I appreciate people don't trust our Governments (inc Labour ?) to keep funding research using that as a reason to vote IN is very strange
GEDA my understanding is all citizens of EU countries have equal rights as host country citizens, ie right of residency. Where Edukator is correct is that no one will have an automatic right to remain permanently once we leave, we will be able to get rid of criminals for example.
[i]In case you hadn't noticed, Germany is still there, the German state was never destroyed, they were occupied. [/I]
Really, read this:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Germany-1945-Peace-Richard-Bessel/dp/1416526196
Only reason it wasn't taken back to a subsistence state was the need to have a bulwark against the Russians.
The Khmer rouge and Mao murdered more more recently so even the abstract from that book is wide of the mark. Germany went from a fascist régime to occupied very quickly. And as an occupied state with a Marshal plan its rise from the ashes was rapid. I think it's tribute to the humanity of the average German that there weren't more atrocities in the period of anarchy at the end of the war. Far more were killed by the Nazi state than were murdered in the power vacuum.
I think you need to revise your choice of history books, br, and perhaps spend a little time working and living in Germany. Though I admit there are less and less of the generation that rebuilt Germany around to tell the tale.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/09/theresa-may-media-is-misrepresenting-my-brexit-views ]Theresa Maybe is learning fast from Trump[/url]. If in doubt, blame those horrible media types for misrepresenting her. She'll be banning them from interviews and press conferences next.
Kimbers the UK is already one of the best places in the world for Science and Education. Just look at the global University rankings. Why not make it better ? If all the EU academics strop off I predict there will be a very long queue from the rest of the world keen to take their place.
And the problem you have is some very negative talk coming from Downing street. No immigration at all costs etc. A media landscape where immigrants are scum, it does not do anyone any favours and is hardly likely to get the best and brightest to want to come and study here, and if they don't come the UK's reputation goes down the pan.
May said: “I am tempted to say that the people who are getting it wrong are those who print things saying I’m talking about a hard Brexit, it is absolutely inevitable it is a hard Brexit. I don’t accept the terms soft and hard Brexit."
Is that English?
I think she says hard Brexit is inevitable. Or maybe she doesn't.
When that stupid cow says 'the british public" I wish she would say "just over half of the british public that bothered to vote."
Evil ,nasty ,****ing bitch.
Kimbers the UK is already one of the best places in the world for Science and Education. Just look at the global University rankings. Why not make it better ? If all the EU academics strop off I predict there will be a very long queue from the rest of the world keen to take their place.
aaarrggh so frustrating
yes it is among the best, although basic education we are horribly lacking, same numeracy levels as Romania I believe, our paucity in basic education is a failure completely separate from EU membership, our own politicians have for years used education as a footbal and so many suffer
as for European academics stropping off,
do you know how immature that sounds?
we flourish because we are the centre of European research, we do attract academics from all over the world, (well apart from the ones that sod off to america where the government funding dwarfs our measly efforts)
Look whtas happened to the Crick institute a billion in research funding from government and UK charities, just opened and now paralysed because the expected 20-30% of EU funding has been cut off, its an abslute travesty.
http://www.nature.com/news/london-super-lab-opens-under-cloud-of-brexit-1.20530
Haven't the two civil wars we have witnessed in Europe during that time been directly due to republics being artificially forced to cooperate as one, and that relationship breaking down, with them returning to stability as independent nation states?
you mean the imposition of ideas on minorities that led to resentment and eventually led to conflict.
Now where do we have this, Wales, Ireland, England etc.
If you ignore the minorities you get problems, it might be rioting on Tottenham high street, it might be car bombs in Dublin or Derry or It might be the burning of holiday cottages in Gwyneth.
Likewise it could be killing labour politicians.
As i said co-operation is the way forward not the imposition of ideas with minority support. Particularly when those ideas will hurt.
Take violent thugs who kick women down stairs on CCTV, there is no doubt about their identity, and either don’t send them to jail or they’re out in a few months? Extreme
Except someone was arrested for that
PM May is the only candidate that is capable of leading the UK govt while the rest are not even close to being elected as their own political party leader. Not even close ... so far from being a leader even when they try ...
So the UK exchequer is going to fill the funding void that is inevitable post the hard Brexit (EU pours money into science research in this country)?? Are there people on here really naïve enough to believe that?
Kimbers you and others keep telling us everyone is leaving, cancelling applications etc. Sounds like stropping off to me. I say to them, on your way out don't let the door hit you in the arse.
So the UK exchequer is going to fill the funding void that is inevitable post the hard Brexit (EU pours money into science research in this country)?? Are there people on here really naïve enough to believe that?
The EU is giving us our money back less a nice 60% cut
First in linehttps://mobile.twitter.com/UKinUSA/status/818527326313086977/video/1
yep, first in line to get TTIP mark two.
Yes. Yes.chickenman - Member
So the UK exchequer is going to fill the funding void [s]that is inevitable [/s]post [s]the hard [/s]Brexit ([s]EU pours money into science research in this country[/s])?? Are there people on here [s]really naïve enough to[/s] believe that?
lets not let practicality get in the way of things here, there is almost certainty that Boris will not be in that job come the time we can do a deal. Trump will (if he makes it be coming to the end of his presidency, the Conservatives could not even be in power.
So if best estimates of a couple of years are true then it's 2021/22 when it might get signed worst case somewhere around 2029 and that is if TM can actually get a commons vote to agree with her.
But just to clarify
When we talk about free trade with the EU you tell us we don't need deals
When we have the chance of one with the US you think it's important
We currently can't work with the rest of the world due to no deals
But we don't need these deals to be sucessful
Have I covered it?
I'd love to see the deal if it was done next week between to increasingly isolationist and protectionist thinking nations.
Allegedly the view of the civil service is that May is a bit of a rabbit trapped in the car headlights.
You didn't hear that from me though, OK?
Kimbers you and others keep telling us everyone is leaving, cancelling applications etc. Sounds like stropping off to me. I say to them, on your way out don't let the door hit you in the arse.
So you have no long term certainty, you have no clue of you will be able to live in Paris for a while and your work involves long term contracts?
Get out of your bubble!! People are following the funding, the funding is leaving it's not throwing a strop - it's a typical Brexit bitterness line, just like the EU is going to screw us by negotiating a good deal for itself.
The opposition parties have no credible candidates to lead the UK at least not for another 3 terms. Then the world politics change and the oppositions with their current ideology will be in oblivion.
Your (EU and remainder) time is over. This is the beginning of the end. You need to come up with something new coz yours are no longer seen as realistic but a pain in the backside.