tbh you're pissing against the wind.. i was against it, and firmly believe it was a stitch up from the beginning, but I'm thinking **** it, let's get on with it.
You could be right, but I've always been an optimist rather than a realist 🙂
- to try and make a success of Brexit and the huge opportunities or sit moaning about how you lost the Referendum
Yeah we'll all have to make the best of out of it as we loose 4% of growth up to 2020, and my industry looses jobs and finding to Europe. foreign holidays cost me and good cost me more but there's no way I'm going to stop complaining about the idiots who inflicted all this mess on the country.
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/britain-begins-smart-logical-process-of-teaching-bloody-foreigners-a-lesson-20161003114690 ]The Mash nails it yet again[/url]
Two clear choices today - to try and make a success of Brexit and the huge opportunities or sit moaning about how you lost the Referendum
FFS.
Do you really think I've got a list of Brexit To-Dos from Mrs May that I'm refusing to do out of spite?
I'll carry on doing my job for my employer as best I can, just like I did before. For as long as that job lasts, since I have worked mostly for banks it seems. But I will continue moaning about how stupidity from both the govenrment and the electorate has potentially ruined my country and my job, and taken from me something that I held dear.
I hope I'm dead wrong about the economy, and I might be, but I will never get back the ability to easily experience life in other countries. That'll be gone forever. And yes it was very important to me.
I'll carry on doing my job for my employer as best I can, just like I did before. For as long as that job lasts, since I have worked mostly for banks it seems.
That's the spirit! Stiff upper lip.
But I will continue moaning about how stupidity from both the govenrment and the electorate has potentially ruined my country and my job, and taken from me something that I held dear.
Oh, hang on, that upper lip isn't stiff at all.
Was there a point to that riposte 5e?
No, just amusing myself.
[i]tbh you're pissing against the wind.. i was against it, and firmly believe it was a stitch up from the beginning, but I'm thinking * it, let's get on with it.[/i]
I'm thinking f it, you lot got us into this mess, sort it while I sit on the sidelines and ensure that we (as a family) protect ourselves from the 5h1tstorm.
5thElefant - Member
No, just amusing myself
A worthy post time, no doubt, doesn't contribute much though
So Jamba looking forward to be being evicted from France? I am sure Le Pen would take issue with foreigners stealing french jobs?
Does Jamba actually work?
Bring it on, they need £2m they have £145k. I won't be losing any sleep over it and they won't win a court case. Not a snowballs. Great work for them though if they can get it, £2m to trouser. Why don't you give them my contact details or maybe start your own prosecution against me ?
Don't flatter yourself. You are a no one.
You won't be allowed to bury your lies on here though. We can do that for free 🙂
I'd like to make the most of the "opportunities" of brexit but right now we have our hands full trying to deal with the damage it's already caused, before it even starts. Hurrah!
Not so good if you are an EU migrant.
Planning to move anyway but worried about my pension contributions.
Also we were planning on renting our UK house but with the £ dropping we won't get as much as we'd hoped.
b r - Member
tbh you're pissing against the wind.. i was against it, and firmly believe it was a stitch up from the beginning, but I'm thinking * it, let's get on with it.I'm thinking f
it, you lot got us into this mess, sort it while I sit on the sidelines and ensure that we (as a family) protect ourselves from the 5h1tstorm.
Armageddon isn't really going to happen though, is it? It's just the political situation that's changing, hardly like it's anything that really matters...
My instinct is that Britain will look like Britain in a few years time, regardless.
From up there, maybe not.
But certain (big) parts of the economy might take a fair old hit.
My instinct is that Britain will look like Britain in a few years time, regardless
not sure if that's a comforting prospect.
Hungary just voted 98% to reject just 1000+ refugees
Not really... the other side just said to boycott the referendum, so it's not really surprising that the only people who voted did so in support of [s]fascism[/s] stricter immigration controls. I bet they all took their own pens.
You can tell a lot I think by looking at whether people report the Hungary referendum honestly- as being invalid due to low turnout amidst a boycott- or dishonestly, as being a victory for the anti-immigration crowd. No surprises on here or in the UK press tbh
Telegraph- reports as "emphatically against" "a cry of defiance", mentions turnout as an aside and doesn't mention boycott at all, frinstance.
Guardian- discusses the boycott and the validity
Indy- as Guardian
Express- "New low for the EU- Brussels humiliated as 98% of Hungarians reject migrant quotas" (if you're going to lie, why not do it in the headline, validity described only as a "slight blow to Orban's pride", and no mention of boycott.
And so on.
[i]Armageddon isn't really going to happen though, is it? It's just the political situation that's changing, hardly like it's anything that really matters...[/i]
Seriously? 😯
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Yip, youse are arguing that brexit in what ever form it takes is a bad thing. Before the vote. A reasonable stance, yes, that's politics. post vote, nah its spitting the dummy. A ridiculous situation given that the is no appetite from any main party to go against the vote. So it's happening, you either get on with letting other determine the outcome or you take part. Screaming we're heading for a black hole does no one any good. Particularly when it's clear bullshit. Life goes on regardless of politics.
So it's happening, you either get on with letting other determine the outcome or you take part. Screaming we're heading for a black hole does no one any good.
Criticism is useful in keeping everyone honest and in check.
That's why we have an opposition sat in the Commons. We don't just say "Right you lot won, we'll shut up and give you free reign to do anything you like without comment until the next general election"
That's democracy.
Besides, how would you like me to "take part" exactly? What should I be doing that I'm not already?
Who's arguing to give free reign? I'm not.
You're telling us to stop criticising the government's position on Brexit.
How is that not asking for a free reign?
Would it [i]really[/i] be better if we doffed our hats and cheered on Mrs May and her Brave Brexiteers?
Because pure criticism is pointless. I think the transferring EU law in to UK law is interesting, it throws a lot of things in to the long grass, to be fought on an issue by issue basis, so rather the criticise and scream dooooooooom. Maybe look at that as an operchancity. Which is what it is. The Tories in this term won't be able to do it all. Rough framework is where their influence with last I reckon. Why I suspect the likes of corbyn never really supoorted the in vote. He could see the long term gains that could be had with an out vote.
Tbh about all I've got to add. Still forming my own opinions at the moment.
Because pure criticism is pointless
No it isn't - it highlights failings or flaws that otherwise might be missed (deliberately or otherwise).
I think the transferring EU law in to UK law is interesting
Me too. And if you [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/page/299#post-7995034 ]look back a bit[/url] you'll see I called that approach "fine and sensible" but highlighted my concern that it also includes [i]"powers for ministers to make some changes [to those laws] by secondary legislation, which is not voted on by the Commons in the same way a piece of primary legislation would be."[/i]
See? Support [i]and[/i] criticism.
A ridiculous situation given that the is no appetite from any main party to go against the vote
Who knows where we will be in 2 years time, if it looks like a hard Brexit is on the cards, especially if Fox and Davies find reality much harder than their fantastic demands.
75% of Mays cabinet were remainers, the Tory party committed in their manifesto to keep single market access.
Entry party is divided on the issue and how to deal with it
I'm still (naively ?) hopeful, for the sake of my kids, that the whole silly thing will be called off.
Would add one other thing and that's criticism of the Scottish nationalist approach that EU = wonderful and that an IS should automatically enter it is a mile off. From the fact that it's a clear political tactic, that's pretty disengenuous. And the EU will be a different proposition minus the UK. I'd favour a wait and see approach to be honest post IS. I think alot of people would feel the same and they'd lose a ref predicated on it.
I reckon Scottish public opinion on the eu is much more nuanced than it has been presented in the media. I certainly voted remain as the least worst option. So you could be right about hanging an indy referendum campaign solely on the result of an eu referendum campaign where neither side convinced the public. There are too many unknowns at the moment but as brexit effects start to bite things can change rapidly either way. For example loss of access to Scottish waters will be a problem for Spanish fishermen, and therefore for the Spanish government.
Besides, how would you like me to "take part" exactly? What should I be doing that I'm not already?
Yep IMHO most people are pretty much passengers on this bus 🙁
This has stumped me as well.. Other than a bit of patriotic flag waving I can't think how I can actually help other than paying more taxes in the future and higher prices for everything imported.
There are too many unknowns at the moment but as brexit effects start to bite things can change rapidly either way. For example loss of access to Scottish waters will be a problem for Spanish fishermen, and therefore for the Spanish government.
and i seem to remember that a huge proportion of Scottish fishing exports go to Spain. So who looses. There is of course the minor issue that the UK has cut back everything so far that they would be unable to prevent illegal fishing in territorial waters.
Doesn't it still need to pass vote in parliament, as the referendum was just and advisory indicator? I thought there was also some kind of legal challenge that the referendum was based on pure lies, is that still happening?
Maybe I'm clutching at straws.
The thing that I find really unbelievable is the belief that, because we are such a large market to Europe it is against their own interests to enforce trade levies upon us. This belief would be true if we were able to buy from elsewhere: We import most of our food from Europe and will have no choice but to pay whatever we are to be charged for it. Are we all going to live on potatoes and cabbages grown in the Fens and picked by the longterm unemployed or something?
mattyfez - Member
Doesn't it still need to pass vote in parliament, as the referendum was just and advisory indicator? I thought there was also some kind of legal challenge that the referendum was based on pure lies, is that still happening?Maybe I'm clutching at straws.
It is legal. Nothing to challenge in parliament.
Perfectly legal, just like Bush and Blair going into Iraq to protect the world from Saddam's WMDs 🙄
It is legal. Nothing to challenge in parliament.
The referendum was legal, yes, but given that referendums are basically really opinion polls, it was based on an internal Tory power struggle and a complete farce, that must call into question the legitimacy of it all.
But do parliament still need to vote in favour of leave to rubber stamp it?
So Jamba looking forward to be being evicted from France? I am sure Le Pen would take issue with foreigners stealing french jobs?
I bring my money earnt and taxed in the UK and spend it in France. Le Penn/Sarkozy and Hollande love that. I don't work there.
@igm you maybe onto something 😉 Also had to chuckle at the blacklist, reminds me of the "don't tell 'em Pike" Dad's Army sketch. I manage money for international clients inc pension funds, very few in UK or Europe. Mostly US (individuals, pension, university endowment) or Middle Eastern/Asian (eg SWF)
cchris renting out your UK house is an interesting one, £/€ down 10% but relative property price appreciation and corresponding increase in rents (vs French 3 yr lease system) means it could still be best bet. Plus risk of eurozone implosion means a UK property might still be a good bet. Complicated. Your UK pension like mine will be subject to any future legislation but I can't see a scenario where you wouldn't get it as you've made 20 years of contributions.
As for hoping Brexit won't happen that's forlorn imo, Corbyn is for Brexit so Labour wouldn't vote against, Tories will fall into line (just as many did campaigning for Remain). The repeal bill will be passed easily and A50 doesn't need a vote The legal challenge is a good earner for lawyers but pointless, can't succeed.
@kimbers I am for Leave as imo it gives the greater opportunity for my kids vs Remain
As for hoping Brexit won't happen that's forlorn imo, Corbyn is for Brexit so Labour wouldn't vote against, Tories will fall into line (just as many did campaigning for Remain). The repeal bill will be passed easily and A50 doesn't need a vote The legal challenge is a good earner for lawyers but pointless, can't succeed.
The realisation that the Brexit you all had such a hard-on for might just be slipping out of grasp. So close! but now you're realising it just might not happen after all. Must be tough for you 🙁
We import most of our food from Europe and will have no choice but to pay whatever we are to be charged for it.
@chicken we buy from the EU as it puts punative tariffs on food from outside in oreder to protect the French/Spanish etc. Once those are gone we can buy cheaper elsewhere. There was an example from the Referendum where the Germans are huge exporters of coffee but obviously grow zero. This is because EU import tariffs are low for coffee beans but very high for processed coffee. Thus African growers have to sell raw beans rather than being able to do the value added roasting etc and sell the finished product for a higher profit. Pure protectionism from the EU
@jamby, your kids already did well out of being in the EU, were able to go on ERASMUS exchange etc
EU passport meant they could move and work visa free accross Europe, with free healthcare etc
now denied to my kids
cheers
The realisation that the Brexit you all had such a hard-on for might just be slipping out of grasp. So close! but now you're realising it just might not happen after all. Must be tough for yo
Fourbanger we seem to be living in parallel universes ? 🙂 Everything these last few weeks and especially in Birmingham this week has been 100% in Leave's favour.
Rather than post on the May thread if anyone didn't see her Andrew Marr interview it was pretty thorough. It's on iPlayer
mattyfez - Member
The referendum was legal, yes, but given that referendums are basically really opinion polls, it was based on an internal Tory power struggle and a complete farce, that must call into question the legitimacy of it all.But do parliament still need to vote in favour of leave to rubber stamp it?
It does not matter what happens in the party, i.e. no matter which party is in charged, because the people have voted / spoken and whoever is in charged must follow the will of the people. Not even the parliament can say no to the people. Yes, rubber stamp is just the formality.
Everything these last few weeks and especially in Birmingham this week has been 100% in Leave's favour.
I guess you just see what you want to see.
It does not matter what happens in the party, i.e. no matter which party is in charged, because the people have voted / spoken and whoever is in charged must follow the will of the people. Not even the parliament can say no to the people.
Based on X Factor case law?
