Not this bill but the proposed UK/English Bill of Rights will do.
@rosscore interesting read, Big Short I thought was pretty good and IMO the European Soverien Debt crises will be far worse
Not this bill but the proposed UK/English Bill of Rights will do.
I remain hopeful that Bill will be defeated when it is debated, though I can see them trying to just sweep it along with the all rest as [i]"This is what the British people voted for"[/i]
ECJ ruling applies to [b]automatic[/b] expulsion of non-EU criminals if they are the sole carer of a child who has EU citizenship. It's a bit more nuanced than the "dey tuk ar laws" headlines.
In terms of deporting EU nationals it doesn't apply, the whole thing is to do with the right of the child, as an EU citizen, to stay in the EU.
Well I tried to read more of the ids short story but all I could see in mental images was a stupid old British racist shouting slowly so the foreign shop keeper could understand and pointing out but I'm British like it actually meant something.
On European courts they tended to fund as expected with the law, sometimes the UK wasn't very clever at reading before signing.
Edit: GrahamS, secondary legislation - good spot. That feels somewhat undemocratic, ministers appointed not elected (elected as MPs yes but not ministers) making changes to the law, probably in cahoots with some unelected civil servants. If Europeans tried that Brexiteers would be foaming (even more ) at the mouth.
This.
Also, for clarity, everything mentioned yesterday would kick in 2 years after article 50 is triggered (at the earliest), not on the day it is triggered.
Mrs and I just back from an evening out with Liam Fox and friends.
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To paraphrase Dr Fox-wit, this lot are going to sacrifice a generation at the altar of Brexit.
I see Sajid Javid said this week that European tradesmen would be able to ply their trade after Brexit. How are they going to police that when the government has already admitted they have no idea how many EU citizens work and live in the UK? Another 12 years and £830 million on e-Borders 2.0?
So the behind-the-scenes stuff in full swing now
May to invoke A50 in 1Q17
All to end up pretty much were we started by 2020?
You have to love these guys and girls
It really seems to stink. They are forgetting that 48% of people want to stay.
It's hardly a green light ,full steam ahead result is it?
Now that people realise their holidays will cost more ,the nasty foreigners aren't being sent home and hospitals will still be shut would they'd still vote the same way?
They should have held the referendum in November as the **** wits would be more bothered about voting for someone we've never heard of having a dance off.
Graham, thanks for that Oxford Uni Conference piece. Half way throigh the 63 pages. Fair to say I am enjoying it greatly as it says most of the things I have been saying and presents a thoughful and considered assestment (opinion) of the issues and way forward.
Two particularly interesting points so far ((obvious when you think of it)
WTO tariffs will not be a significant issue for exporters as fall in currency is equal to / greater than tariff to be applied, true for cars in particular. A biritish produced car is cheaper post EU exit with wto tariff applied than it was tariff free nefore June.
The EU won't be able to negotiate due to dogs breakfast mix of 27 member states, commission and dominant players all having different views - as such he simple choice of full access (or very newr to) and none is likely to be the only choice they are capable of handling.
Good job that non-tariff barriers are unimportant!
Never realised it was all so simple!
WTO tariffs will not be a significant issue for exporters as fall in currency is equal to / greater than tariff to be applied, true for cars in particular. A biritish produced car is cheaper post EU exit with wto tariff applied than it was tariff free nefore June.
Sometime i just laugh out loud at your posts
Any opinion on where this leaves as us you kept telling us it was more important for the EU as we run a trade deficit
Given we import more than we export , and we just added a tariff to that and it was now more expensive anyway , due to falling pound, that overall it might actually be bad
Still you focus on the one positive in a mire of shit if you must.
If Dr Fox ever needs a speech writer then he could do worse than call on you as no one dies delusional on here as well as you
The EU won't be able to negotiate due to dogs breakfast mix of 27 member states, commission and dominant players all having different views - as such he simple choice of full access (or very newr to) and none is likely to be the only choice they are capable of handling.
Well that does pose a problem doesn't it as a majority need to agree to the article 50 deal don't they...
If they don't no matter how well we negotiate we get nothing.
dont worry it wont come to that as we wont negotiate well 😉
You can't divorce tariffs from quotas. Tariffs are the 'easy' bit, which is why I suppose everyone just ignores everything else involved when crapping on about how we have already won the trade battle.
Tariffs are the 'easy' bit
Indeed
Junky we are all here for entertainment, so laughing out loud is a good thing. I certainky get a good laugh from time to time from stuff posted on here. Why not take time and read the piece at least some of it ?
Mike yes that's their argument a binary choice is all EU can handle. I am personally good with either option, full access with no budget / freedom of movement or quick hard exit. Phaffing around in the middle for years is a waste of time and effort, time and effort that would be better spent globally not least as the EU is Daffy Ducked economically
TMH they make the other point that there are no tariffs on services, look at the amount we outsource to India / Phillipines as an EU member.
as the EU is Daffy Ducked economically
The EU and UK cycles are v similar in trend and absolute numbers - just look at real GDP charts.
I have no wish for the EU to have problems - they are our largest partners in trade. We should be looking for a harmonious relationship with them.
Anyone actually WON any contracts against EU competitors since brexit? Seems like lots of stories of companies losing out. Wonder if there are any other stories?
Molgrips stop with the negative talk, Jamby just told us it would all be awesome. Just like IDS (or is it IBS) fairy story.
£ to loose more value tomorrow ?
Excellent..... Jamby will be pleased
And in breaking news the UK have picked their lead negotiater.
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Was watching the Tory speeches in the pub while having Sunday lunch.
The comically bad subtitles provided some well needed comic relief.
My favourite being David Davis saying he was dilated by some Remain voters 😆
I nearly choked on my roast beef 😀
positives, if we can get the pound down a bit more, 20-30% then we can overcome all the tariff issues and with a bit of effort make UK labour costs competitive with India. It will of course solve immigration because no one would come here as the wages would be crap. But would mean we could get the UK textile industry back on its feet, maybe even get Pegatron or someone to set up a factory?
Obvious downsides, why would anyone from abroad work in the NHS etc. but i am sure we can train up the 5% unemployed to be brain surgeons with that £350M we get back from the EU. So that means no unemployed. Everyones a winner.
Blimey looks like May is giving in to Fox and Davies. Hard Brexit all the way
Even Hitchins in the Torygraph, reckons were screwed (also called out Fox for his delusional speech the other day)
Even worse was gonna book a foreign holiday yesterday but lost my card and had to cancel I wont get a new one to Tuesday earliest, pounds gonna tank again tomorrow 🙁
Kimbers, not sure it will tank tomorrow, come March though! If there is a coherent plan it will be ok, if not then god help us!
I don't think it will tank - it might dip....& that dip will be passed on to the man in the street.
Big biz is relatively resilient & won't feel the pain so.
It's just you, me & your neighbours who are going to feel the squeeze.
So, thanks to Brexit we are all going to be hurt whereas the elite & big biz will just carry on.
So much for sticking two fingers to the man.....you've made us weaker & them stronger.
You dumb ass hats....
(Rant over...for now!)
what about , scotland , wales nd NI ?
she clearly said they ll have no voice in the decisions .
what about , scotland , wales nd NI ?
she clearly said they ll have no voice in the decisions .
well they have also said parliament has no say either, so much for a parliamentary democracy.
I don't think it will tank - it might dip....& that dip will be passed on to the man in the street.
It already is. I held off changing most of my pricing after the vote, but I've now had to put up prices on bikes I import. And I've just sent a big Euro payment this evening instead of doing it during working hours as usual, in case the pound drops even further after this.
what about , scotland , wales nd NI ?
she clearly said they ll have no voice in the decisions .
This is, as usual, about the whole UK being twisted to the ideals of the right-wing lunatic fringe. UKIP is in power, effectively. May said that she didn't want this country torn apart by nationalists, which would be ironically funny if it wasn't so stupidly depressing.
Where is the bloody opposition when its needed? Bloody Corbyn has been a disgrace in all this. If he actually stood up for Remain we wouldn't be in this mess.
****ing useless.
Where is the bloody opposition when its needed? Bloody Corbyn has been a disgrace in all this. If he actually stood up for Remain we wouldn't be in this mess.
**** useless.
Yes, Labour's self-destruction means not only do we have Brexit, we'll have a Tory government for at least another 9 years. Even now, Labour is playing the "we must make the best of it" line instead of standing up and arguing that the whole thing was a really, really bad idea and it'd be perfectly reasonable for the government to ignore the referendum result.
That's what's so bizarre. There's nothing legally binding about the referendum. It was a glorified opinion poll. Carrying on with it when they don't have to is just setting fire to the country because they like to watch things burn.
Jezza's going solo - the only guy arguing against the single market but pro freedom of movement. Perhaps it's an age thing? Hard to understand otherwise.
It really seems to stink. They are forgetting that 48% of people want to stay.
It's hardly a green light ,full steam ahead result is it?
Now that people realise their holidays will cost more ,the nasty foreigners aren't being sent home and hospitals will still be shut would they'd still vote the same way?
They should have held the referendum in November as the **** wits would be more bothered about voting for someone we've never heard of having a dance off.
+1
It's the fact that both sides spouted so much shite and lies that irks me and the fact that all that whole fiasco has been neatly brushed under the carpet and it's all steam ahead.
A lot of jobs for the boys on the horizon and the b list MPs get centre stage with the keys to the Kingdom and the ability to tweak the law carte Blanche, they've definitely taken control 🙂
I think Corbyn's problem (in this context) is that he isn't actually pro-eu anyway. But let's be clear where the blame lies. He isn't in power, hasn't set any govt policies, all he did was stand for leader of the labour party and got far more votes than any other candidate, twice. It's the tories who are actually building the bonfire.
So, which party leader was it that campaigned for Remain but really wanted to Leave?
So, which party leader was it that campaigned for Remain but really wanted to Leave?
Go on, then tell us. I May be able to guess with a clue...
all of them ?
mrmo - Membermaybe even get Pegatron or someone to set up a factory?
He's too busy having an internal civil war with the europhile Starscream. FOOLS! THERE IS NO ESCAPE!
Corbyn may have been next to useless during the ref
But
The whole thing was a giant miscalculation by Cameron and co, to placate his own bunch of xenophobes that have been festering away ever since farige failed to become a Tory MP. Gove and Johnson led the out campaign, inspite of their actual beliefs they saw a career advancement opportunity.
Tory Austerity fuelled popular resentment of immigrants as it stripped public services to the bone and the meeja reminded them to blame the EU.
We've now got Hasbeen MPs suddenly catapulted to the most important ministerial positions in a generation, who are now suffering delusions of grandeur at b the worst possible moment.
Cameron drives country off a cliff. Everyone blames Corbyn. The majority of Labour voters voted to remain- just not enough to outweigh the primarily Tory and UKIP voters who voted to Leave. 63% of Labour voters voted remain, according to Ashcroft- 70% Lib Dem (which admittedly, is 2 people) and 64% SNP- but where are the people claiming it's Nicola Sturgeon's fault? Not even THM thinks that. Or whoever the Lib Dem leader is?
Blaming Labour for Brexit for failing to stop the Tories, is like blaming firemen when your house burns down after you set it on fire. Why on earth would you let the real architects off the hook?
kimbers - Member
The whole thing was a giant miscalculation by Cameron and co, ...
Interesting view that but history will treat Cameron well. I sense a sympathetic secret admirer of the ex-PM there.
Hypothetically speaking ...
So the question is if you could turn back the clock would all of you vote for Tories so that the PM would be confident not to call for a referendum? I mean all of you to vote Tories.
Watched May's speech with Brexit FIL 🙁 and was surprised at how forceful May was, but it was this...
We've now got Hasbeen MPs suddenly catapulted to the most important ministerial positions in a generation, who are now suffering delusions of grandeur at b the worst possible moment
..that was truly sickening. Thank goodness we flicked over to the footie instead.
