[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

A quick browse suggests the paper is clearly in some kind of editorial turmoil - torn between revelling in all the doom and gloom about markets and house prices, while being vaguely aware that they were staunchly pro-Leave.

As mike says they seem to have fallen back on tried and trusted methods: blame other people.

Once the shit hits the fan they will explain how we were all duped by an elite...only a matter of time before they round on Boris and Gove

Looks like May is the next PM. The other one is giving up.

Looks like May is the next PM. The other one is giving up.

That's democracy for you.

Hurrah for Tory unity

May has said she wont hold another vote and she hates immigration more than she loves trade

Must be the hardest choice that for any Tory to make
Do you like money more than you hate foreigners

Jamby whats your view?

So is Gove back in the running, will he choose to go forward knowing that so few MP's voted for him?

she hates immigration more than she loves trade

You do have to wonder just what the **** she's been doing over the last six years as Home Secretary then don't you?

Elite: couldn't have had a campaign or election more elitist than Remain, Leave weren't even allowed basic access to the civil service.

Tories know how to win, May is the clear favourite and I suspect Leadsom has been advised its too early for her to be PM. Gove won't be back either.

May is the unity candidate and well known amongst Brexiteers for being very much a sceptic, I was a little surprised she didn't come out for Leave. She was pretty clear about no election/no Ref 2 and Article 50 when best for UK. Those lefties / Remainers hoping for Tory implosion / infighting to gift them ammunition are going to be very dissapointed

Osbourne off to China, Singapore and US on a global trade tour. More doors opening than closing, a bright future ahead

BTW China has been devaluing its currency to help boost its economy

appears the 1922 committee has a duty to provide a choice of candidate but who knows

we have to wait for the 1922 ctte to speak. SO the future leadership of the country is decided by a backroom committee, and all because we voted for more democracy. Oh the ironing...

Tories know how to win

I think the smoke is still black for now, but the BBC say:

It will be up to the 1922 committee of Conservative MPs to decide the timetable - or whether to continue with a leadership contest.

If it is decided that Mrs May is to become leader, uncontested, she would become prime minister-designate or "PM elect" only upon the declaration by the 1922.

So Loathesome is out. I can't work out if that is bad news for the country or really bad news. Could go either way.

In case you feel the need for a bit of a chuckle to take your mind off the upcoming endtimes where the Tory party start with the script from the Hunger Games, mix it with 1984, remove all the cuddly bits and then really go to town on the population of the UK, here is John Finnemore on the outcome of the 2015 general election. Seems rather prophetic now.....

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More doors opening than closing, a bright future ahead

Begging bowl in hand, more like.

Osbourne off to China, Singapore and US on a global trade tour. More doors opening than closing, a bright future ahead

BTW China has been devaluing its currency to help boost its economy

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Osbourne off to China, Singapore and US on a global trade tour. More doors opening than closing, a bright future ahead

Excellent - we can all look forward to TTIP, plus equivalent legal shaftings by China and Singapore. 😕

This is [url= https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/extracts-from-the-chancellors-speech-on-europe ]George Osborne speaking to the Open Europe Conference in Jan 2014[/url]

Take free trade.

Britain was one of the strongest promoters of the recent trade deals with Canada, Singapore and Korea. The Canada deal alone will be worth £1.3 billion pounds to Britain.

Reducing the budget, tackling red tape, some free trade agreements - this is a good beginning, but it's not nearly enough.

We need to be much, much bolder.

[b]We should set ourselves the urgent task of completing the transatlantic trade and investment partnership – the EU-US Free Trade agreement.[/b]

This would be the world's biggest ever trade deal – together our economies would account for half of global output.

The Commission estimate it would boost the European economy by 120 billion euros a year – that's over 500 euros for every family in the EU. It would bring £10 billion pounds a year to the UK alone.

[b]Some in the European Parliament talk about stalling this Trans-Atlantic Partnership[/b] to pursue other agendas.

But when a quarter of young people looking for work in Europe are unemployed, this would be a complete betrayal.

We need to create jobs, increase trade, support business growth – we've got the European tools to help with the job, let's get on and use them.

Yay, now we are free from all those stalling EU naysayers, we can negotiate our own version of TTIP from the fantastic position of a collapsing economy and the promise of access to less than a tenth of the EU market.

Great.

Could we end up being like Scotland in 1706? Will we be forced to join another country? I wonder which one it could be...

Germany's economy is normally good - and all the Germans I've met have been nice people.

We could do worse than apply to join Germany.

we can negotiate our own version of TTIP from the fantastic position of a collapsing economy and the promise of access to less than a tenth of the EU market.

Surely that will take forever, we were going to be at the back of the queue and everything, remember?

We should just go the whole hog and join NAFTA

I thought the NAFTA was starting to fall apart - no?

We could do worse than apply to join Germany.

Yeah and Anglo-Saxons are basically German anyway. It's re-unification.

Germany's economy is normally good - and all the Germans I've met have been nice people.
We could do worse than apply to join Germany.

But really, a combination of our food and their food?!? Bugger that!

But really, a combination of our food and their food?!? Bugger that!

Zokes

combination of our food and their food?!? Bugger that!

But their beer and our beer... Would you care about the food?

We should just go the whole hog and join NAMBLA

Yeah and we can only dream that one day we'll be as successful as Mexico.

"TBH which one of us does not wish we could be more like China?"

I've only been there once but it was great. All the people seemed happy, even at work. There's a massive European ex-pat community who love it and want to stay.

Obviously it's a big place, I'm sure it's not all so wonderful.

Obviously it's a big place, I'm sure it's not all so wonderful.

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Id consider China if they could sign up to something like....

[url= http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/legis.htm ]Directive 2008/50/EC on ambient air quality and cleaner air for Europe[/url]

Have a friend who has been sent to beijing for work quite a bit and some days the air is horrendous

All the people seemed happy, even at work.

there you go then 50 years of political and personal and social constraint is all you need to get people happy at work.

To the barricades comrades.

jambalaya - Member
Tories know how to win,

You've posted that a few times now but really in recent history they've made some shocking decisions. Major followed by Hague (before he was ready) followed by IDS followed by Howard. Even against a creaking labour government headed by an 'unpopular' leader in Brown, Cameron couldn't win a decisive majority. I'm not sure your positivity is at all well founded.

Seems like an STW-Utopia. That smog is a healthy sign of a left wing Govt with a productive coal mining industry powering a manufacturing based economy (as opposed to service).

Tories know how to win,

Let's wait and see Mr Hoppy, 2020 is the next test. Right now it feels like a landslide

I see all the negativity is out in force. We need shot of the EU as fast as possible, its bust

Leadsome quits the PM race and the Brexit Vote not legally binding.

Right, so, all you belligerent, facist, homophobic, narsacistic, misogenistic, thick headed Brexit voters do what your leaders have done... and leave.

There is NO place in the UK for the likes of you.

Trott off, ferries and planes are waiting.

Some of them already have I heard

"Leadsome quits the PM race and the Brexit Vote not legally binding.
Right, so, all you belligerent, facist, homophobic, narsacistic, misogenistic, thick headed Brexit voters do what your leaders have done... and leave.
There is NO place in the UK for the likes of you.
Trott off, ferries and planes are waiting."

Hmmm, negative net immigration? That won't please remainers.

But that's because the opposition appear to be doing their best to destroy themselves from within (much like the Tories of the 90s and new millennia), not because of any 'winning' ability of the story candidates.

As for our electoral system we DO NOT elect a President (PM), an individual. We elect a party and they chose a PM. We also changed to fixed term parliaments so unless the Tories vote to dissolve Parliament early there will be no general election

MrH I can see your point but its all academic, we need to wait till 2020 to see who is right

As for our electoral system we DO NOT elect a President (PM), an individual.

Imagine if the EU had done such a backdoor deal without any form of democratic accountability.

No Jamba.

We elect MPs and they propose a PM to HMQ.

I understand it's difficult to follow. 😉

I see the IMF published a report on the eurozone yesterday - points out what I have said all along. Its bust, its been a disaster especially for Southern Europe