DanW - try and think the best of said chief executive. They're in a a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.
It's not whether she is appreciated, it's whether in this environment people are willing to stand up and say it.
I completely get the damned if they do, damned if they don't side of it but I personally don't think there is a blanket need to send this to everyone of EU nationality. Just more flapping and it shouldn't need to be said IMO. That said, a lot of British colleagues saw no issue with the letter.
It's not whether she is appreciated, it's whether in this environment people are willing to stand up and say it.
Put like that, you have won me around 🙂
Low point of £/$ was 1.06 in 1985 - did the world end (from a UK perspective) ?
Another non-argument.
No-one's predicting the actual end of the world. People are predicting difficult economic conditions. Can you say that conditions won't be difficult? Can you say jobs won't be lost and there won't be a significant recession, as a result of this?
People are predicting difficult economic conditions. Can you say that conditions won't be difficult? Can you say jobs won't be lost and there won't be a significant recession, as a result of this?
Can you say that there wouldn't be if we stayed in?
Me? No.
However, experts seem to think it was quite likely that none of this would be happening if we'd stayed in.
Another pretty lame line of reasoning though. It's like saying "Can you be sure I WON'T get cancer if I don't smoke 40 a day?"
Experts seem to think it was quite likely that none of this would be happening if we'd stayed in though.
Yebbut we shouldn't listen to experts.
wwaswas - MemberJob adverts seem to have taken a bit of a plunge. 700,000 less in the week following the vote;
I've said it earlier in this thread, but I went out for a beer with a mate who's contracting for the DWP last week. He was saying that everyone was now in a weird limbo as the big cheeses change all their plans. They're now expecting a big increase in unemployment, which is obviously going to cost a lot of money, as tax receipts shrink.
But as we're repeatedly being told by the Leavers. This is all a price worth paying. A price worth paying for what, they never seem to reveal. It must be really really good if they won't even mention it. Its going to be a great surprise! Can't wait!
But anyway... in the meantime I'm going to go outside and wave a little flag and sing Land of Hope and Glory. I presume the people who are about to lose their jobs will agree that its a price worth paying (for them) that I can now do that with my heart swelling with nationalist fervour, safe in the knowledge that I have taken back control
And if we all have to pay more tax, and/or slash public spending yet further as a result of that, then so be it
*Salutes the Union Jack*
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A price worth paying for what,
Taking our country back, of course 🙄
(Note: sarcasm was used in this post).
"don't worry about all the racist media you've been seeing, we still need you"?
this I think.. I've seen a few similar recently
Reads to me like, "Please don't get the hump and leave the country while the government tries to figure out which is their arse and which is the shotgun barrel. They could be a while."My wife (EU nationality) received this letter from the Chief Executive of the NHS Trust she works for this week... discuss
We got an email to all European employees from our CO, waffling about how this will not effect the company etc, not a single thing about how the people employed might be effected. It looked like he had sent the wrong one and it was intended for shareholders not employees, ****ing tosser.
Personally I think the only viable option is to negotiate with Brussels and put the offer to the people as to whether to accept it or not.
We've already been there, back in February and the concessions were poor, part of me wonders whether that was done because the technocrats at the EU (1) really didn't understand the situation or (2) really wanted the UK out.
If we are going out then might be worth sounding out the possibility of set up a new trading group made up of Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Turkey? and then negotiate as a whole.
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Meanwhile , predicted collapse of EU seems to have fizzled out
that's only because they fear the economic consequences, not because they agree with the EUs political vision.
Short-termism rules...
Wait, so being concerned about your economy is bad and cowardly?
I don't agree with the EU's political vision either - but I still voted in.
I don't agree with the EU's political vision either - but I still voted in.
hypocrite
hypocrite
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I'd don't agree with everything the EU does either, but it's better than the alternative (not that i'm even remotely clear what the alternative is at the moment)
Meanwhile , predicted collapse of EU seems to have fizzled out
Well looking at the way 'Our Great Nation' has been carrying on for the last couple of weeks, even the most corrupt, impoverished banana republic on the planet must be laughing their tits off at us, and thinking 'whatever we do next, we definitely won't be doing anything as stupid as that!!!'
[I]Low point of £/$ was 1.06 in 1985 - did the world end (from a UK perspective) ? [/I]
No, but the UK flat-lined for a while before heading downwards and only really coming out in the late 90's - or at least it did for us in the north.
No, but the UK flat-lined for a while before heading downwards and only really coming out in the late 90's - or at least it did for us in the north.
Its ok. its just the north. It doesn't count*. Thats the 'Price Worth Paying'
* See also: Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Midlands and the South West (apart from the nice coastal villages with our second homes in)
@binners et al my point exactly
I'll kick you in the balls every day from now until 2025, would you be happy or just the world didn't end....
I don't agree with the EU's political vision either - but I still voted in.
hypocrite
What the f? How can I be hypocritical if I'm telling you all about it on here?
Point is - that the EU is imperfect, but IMO it's overall worth being involved in. And if you're in, you have the possibility to effect change.
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Point is - that the EU is imperfect, but IMO it's overall worth being involved in. And if you're in, you have the possibility to effect change.
I was going to vote in as well for similarly hyprocritical reasons - I didn't think the UK as a whole was in a good enough state (poor levels of education, reliant on London for most of its economy, etc) to weather the storm of the break, although ideally it should make the break.
The bloody train problems at Waterloo conspired to stop me though 🙁
The wife voted out though.
The word you are looking for isn't 'hypocritical' but I accept the point 🙂
we got the we love eu email, with no hashtag tho 🙁
Following the result of the referendum, with the UK voting to leave the EU, there has been much speculation, mostly pessimistic, on what this will mean for the UK and its relationship with Europe. This will undoubtedly be unsettling for those of you from other EU countries and I write to reassure you that your place in the BCI and in UK cancer research remains as important and vital today as it was before the referendum. You are all valued to us at the BCI!The parting of the UK from the EU will clearly be a major change, but it is impossible to predict how this will play out. Those media outlets that are now suggesting all sorts of fearful repercussions are the same newspapers, TV and social media which, only a week ago, predicted that we would remain in the EU and that Boris Johnson would be the next Prime Minister! It would be wise not to believe almost anything that is being said in the media as they, and we, simply do not know.
Our politicians have to deal with these issues, businessmen and banks with theirs, but our fundamental purpose remains the same, which is to remain one of the best cancer institutes in the UK, with a cohesive and collegiate team of the highest calibre whose work ensures that our research leads to improved treatment and survival for people with cancer. Cancer does not discriminate between who is and who isn’t in the EU – in the face of this enemy, we are all equal.
The wife voted out though.
Divorce - it's the only reasonable course of action. 😉
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The wife voted out though.
Divorce - it's the only reasonable course of action.
No need; she'll resign soon enough.
It's funny that those who voted to leave are accusing remainers of "short-termism": Surely throwing your toys out of the pram at the earliest perceived notion of difficulty and voting to leave, without any kind of exit strategy or long-term plan, is the very definition of "short-termism".
The sensible thing to have done was stay in, work with our European partners, and seek to make the most out of the situation. If it is then determined that the structure is not working, the Country is still in a strong position to continue working with our closest trade partners under whatever direction it is agreed to take the EU in.
Certainly, in terms of diplomacy, we have effectively burnt our bridges by acting as the angry toddler of the EU, which does nothing for future relationships which, regardless of whatever anyone from the leave camp says, we will still need to rely on.
The sensible thing to have done was stay in, work with our European partners
except that a lot of the leave voters had determined that reform was not possible, based on recent events.
The older voters that voted leave had seen the whole history of going into the common market and then it morphing into the current EU, and clearly were not happy about it and suspicious that it was possible to effect any change.
So basically this whole mess can be attributed to the inflexibility of the EU...
If it had stayed as a trading community everything would have been fine.
Free movement of labour (which seems to be the major sticking point) was always one of the founding principles of the single market.
The older voters that voted leave had seen the whole history of going into the common market and then it morphing into the current EU, and clearly were not happy about it and suspicious that it was possible to effect any change.So basically this whole mess can be attributed to the inflexibility of the EU...
Or Werthers Originals and bitterness?
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So basically this whole mess can be attributed to the inflexibility of the EU...
Quite possibly true.
Free movement of labour (which seems to be the major sticking point) was always one of the founding principles of the single market.
Yes, but people might've been more willing to accept it if they saw it as a symptom of something good, rather than bad.
Well hopefully we'll get to keep freedom of movement of labour in whatever trading deal we do after Brexit.
It's what we freely chose in the 70s, by a massive margin. Which makes it all the more odd when you hear the older generation whinge "we never voted for this in the 70s". Admittedly, the implementation has changed a bit since, but the fundamental principle hasn't.
Of course most of us never voted for it in the 70s because we didn't have the vote (and/or were not even born). Didn't vote for hitler or the 21st century either, they still both happened.
Well hopefully we'll get to keep freedom of movement of labour in whatever trading deal we do after Brexit.
Yes, if we get a close EEA style deal, I think most things will carry on as normal. We'll just have no control over any of it. Hopefully then the deal gets put to a vote, and people will realise that the whole thing is stupid and step away from A50 altogether.
This is the best summary of the whole debate, in charts that I have seen. It's from the FT so sober and down to earth.
Divorce - it's the only reasonable course of action.
seeing the mediator next wednesday - taking advantage of their 50% off the first appointment in July offer...
This is the best summary of the whole debate / prognosis, in charts, that I have seen. It's from the FT so sober and down to earth. It looks at the impact of EU membership on growth, regulation, wages and migration with a couple of charts on trade deals and economists thrown in.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/06/african-wildlife-officials-appalled-as-eu-opposes-a-total-ban-on-ivory-trade?CMP=share_btn_tw#comments
The EU have learnt to also ignore experts advice...
When you consider that there were 600,000 elephants at the start of the crisis which led to this Appendix I proposal and there are now less than 400,000, I am at a loss to understand why this is not more troubling for the EU
Binners I am loss as to why there would be a bug increase in unemployment due to the Referendum.
Lower currency makes uk assets look more attractive to foreign buyers and investors than before
Lower currency makes our manufacturing more competitve as whilst imported raw materials will be more expensive typically that makes up just a small part of a products cinal price, its wages and other value add (inc profit margin) which make up the difference and those elements are cheaper today from a foreign buyers perspective, our exports just got cheaper for them.
I commented on the £/$ rate as I think there is too much doom and gloom focus on it. Its worth noting the € is weaker versus the $ too (as I said not nearly as bad as 2010 when there was a material chance the currency fell apart over Greece, a risk that's not gone away.
Interesting references in BBC piece today on AfD in that German government is trying to head off a jump in their popularity post Brexit vote by pushing for significant reforms at the EU. I do think Junker's days are numbered and we will see a more consiliatory person in place.
Ah yes finally bad EU stories are allowed to resurface. Maybe we'll also see reshows of 90/00's documentaries of the decimation of the UK fishing industry etc too
Interesting that the free movement of labour is likley to be the sticking point for an EU trade agreement and ant analytical negotiating team will have to concede that there is little or no fiscal evidence that free movement has a negative impact on the country's coffers will they concede this? So if this happens what will the protest vote do - serious question not trolling along
