But the EU say they won't talk til it's triggered. Catch-22.
It's almost as though it's a trigger with a safety catch.
the future is now much brighter
OK now I'm frightened.
flanagaj - Member
Nice to hear an economist having a different view to Mark Carney.Radio 4 interview
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He isn't really. He is just being an arse. But covered in the other thread,
Gove says in the standard "last week's referendum voting had exposed the existence of "two Britains", one that made money from globalisation, and another whose people felt they were "flotsam and jetsam in its powerful flow"
Sounds like he has more empathy and perception that most of the people on this thread...
Global Trumpism :
quite amusing as well as pertinent :
Sounds like he has more empathy and perception that most of the people on this thread...
Talk is cheap. IDS says similar things. Let's see how that translates into action.
Sounds like he has more empathy and perception that most of the people on this thread.
Poes Law?
We don't listen to experts, remember?
These aren't experts they are business people who's job it is to make money. Plenty of opportunity. Big business (ie the CEO) likes the EU for tax avoidance and downward pressure on wages,
C4 news just now has a piece about Australian treatment of refugees. A lovely role model for Brexiters. Watch if you have a strong stomach.
Well aware of the Aussie model, they felt they had to do something to stop the flow. They apply the law aggressively, no babies born in Oz if possible. Remember the EU stopped paying / providing Navy support in the Med and look what happened 100's and 100's drowning
Med and look what happened 100's and 100's drowning
And this didn't correlate at all with the Syrian civil war...?
My girlfriend's mother announced tonight that she voted leave because an eastern European man randomly asked my girlfriend's sister to marry him one day in a shop. Apparently "they" can't be trusted
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So 200 and something posts in and this guy is bang on the money. So let's see what the wanna be Conservs and copy and posters of STW have to say : ))
BoardinBob - Member
My girlfriend's mother announced tonight that she voted leave because an eastern European man randomly asked my girlfriend's sister to marry him one day in a shop. Apparently "they" can't be trusted
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Oh dear...yet another 'uneducated working class racist' this is starting to get tiring now listening to all the crying remainers. 🙄
grantway - Member
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So 200 and something posts in and this guy is bang on the money. So let's see what the wanna be Conservs and copy and posters of STW have to say : ))
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That's the most sense grantway has ever made..
My girlfriend's mother announced tonight that she voted leave because an eastern European man randomly asked my girlfriend's sister to marry him one day in a shop. Apparently "they" can't be trusted
My mum voted out because her friend had a nigerian nurse be nasty to her in hospital.
And this didn't correlate at all with the Syrian civil war...?
I was referring to those coming from Libya - EU cut funding for patrols and left Italy to try and manage alone. EU foreign policy has been a disaster not least in the Balkans, highly questionable over Ukraine and they had to be dragged kicking amd screaming into sanctions on Russia
Hold on, I seem to recall it was the UK government that scuppered the naval search and rescue in the Med back in 2014... so am not entirely sure you can blame the EU alone for that one!
EU foreign policy has been a disaster not least in the Balkans,
Does this refer to to the Balkans war?
zippykona - Member
My girlfriend's mother announced tonight that she voted leave because an eastern European man randomly asked my girlfriend's sister to marry him one day in a shop. Apparently "they" can't be trusted
My mum voted out because her friend had a nigerian nurse be nasty to her in hospital.
My Daughter and her friends never voted being they thought the voting would be rigged by the Govenment to stay!
jambalaya - Member
And this didn't correlate at all with the Syrian civil war...?
I was referring to those coming from Libya - EU cut funding for patrols and left Italy to try and manage alone. EU foreign policy has been a disaster not least in the Balkans, highly questionable over Ukraine and they had to be dragged kicking amd screaming into sanctions on Russia
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Should have just towed the boats/crafts back into the waters they came from
Eventually there be no boats/crafts. An ideal opportunity has been missed for these unfortunate souls. Is that the UN should have made another Country between no mans land IE between borders and they could of used the people and be payed to build/police/health etc and build infrulstructure rather than look as beggars for news reel.
Now we're ever they are will never be asserted but absorbed into Country's where they have no worth due to the qualifications of the Country's they are in, other than looked at as being scroungers
Jambalaya uses the EU turning a blind eye
To the atrocities in the Balkans as a reason to be out of the EU. As reprehensible as Srebenica is, the EU can learn from such a mistake. People like Jambalaya, far from hoping to help those in need, would rather there are as many borders between us and them as possible, to make them seem further away.
Don't pretend to know where the Balkans are. I find it very insulting.
@athgray I use it as an example of how totally dysfunctional the EU is. Frankly they've not made a decent job of anything important. The currency is a massive disaster, simply stellar if the F up department
My mum voted out because her friend had a nigerian nurse be nasty to her in hospital.
What was your mum's friend doing in Nigeria?.............it isn't even in the EU !
Question il like to raise is that apparently the pound is at an all time low low low to the Euro and it's all xhit bad. But 5 years back we purchased our place in Alicante at 1.18 Euro to the pound whilst in the Euro. And the pound is worth more now in this some what Disaster!
Because we have helped hit the euro too.
Check the dollar rate
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W
athgray - Member
Jambalaya uses the EU turning a blind eye
To the atrocities in the Balkans as a reason to be out of the EU. As reprehensible as Srebenica is, the EU can learn from such a mistake. People like Jambalaya, far from hoping to help those in need, would rather there are as many borders between us and them as possible, to make them seem further away.
Don't pretend to know where the Balkans are. I find it very insulting.
I believe he has this Mixed up with the UN
mikewsmith - Member
Because we have helped hit the euro too.
Check the dollar rate
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W
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Lol Na it's just the money markets. Basically the same shit that we bailed out
I see your economic credentials there....
People are moving money out of volatile and risky places to traditional safe spots like usd. For a while the euro was the currency of choice now it's the US. It's a sign that both are weaker than they were a week ago due to uncertainty caused by brexit
I wouldn't bother, Mike. At least Jamba posts literate gibberish. Most of grantway's ramblings seem to be completely incomprehensible.
Meanwhile, God save the Queen....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/25/queen-cameron-eu-worth-fighting-for
mikewsmith - Member
I see your economic credentials there....
People are moving money out of volatile and risky places to traditional safe spots like usd. For a while the euro was the currency of choice now it's the US. It's a sign that both are weaker than they were a week ago due to uncertainty caused by brexit
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Yep but a load of Rollocks really. I have many clients in the game and it's a game of risk/volatile in or out will just be the same. They say the longer the Pound stays strong, more the uncertainty of the Euro will become so a question of when maybe of roll reversal. Like I said before the Euro is propping up a lot of toxic debt un like the pound.
Good find zokes I e been trying to find a video of the mad as he'll intro from this week. Bit of a turn up for the UK to be the butt of the politics vote, an American guy said thanks last night as the world had at least paused laughing at the US screw ups.
Well, this is an inspiring choice, Loathsome Leadsom or the useless May:
http://order-order.com/2016/07/02/read-full-article-pulled-telegraph-pressure-may-campaign/
grantway - Member
zippykona - Member
My girlfriend's mother announced tonight that she voted leave because an eastern European man randomly asked my girlfriend's sister to marry him one day in a shop. Apparently "they" can't be trusted
My mum voted out because her friend had a nigerian nurse be nasty to her in hospital.
[b]My Daughter and her friends never voted being they thought the voting would be rigged by the Govenment to stay![/b]
This. Totally! I have workmates 'uneducated working class racists' who didn't bother voting as they thought it would be rigged, all would have voted leave if they had. Imagine that being the case all over Britain.
Sadly for you DrJ you can't pay £3 to sabotage the election. Whoever the candidates where you would have had equal levels of derision. Looks very likely they will be the final two. May to take it based on experience and states-person qualitiies I think. Queue a hundred articles making comparisons to Thatcher and Merkel. Who knows by 2017 we may well have female leaders in UK, US, Germany and France
@grantyway the eurozone sovereign debt crises will make the 2008 credit crises and Argentinian default(prior largest) look like the merest hiccups.
Queue a hundred articles
Jamba - is English your first language? Just wondering.
Who knows by 2017 we may well have female leaders in UK, US, Germany and France
And bring on the day that it wont be news...
Reminds me of Gremaine Greer questioned on Springwatch by Chris Packham (well it's better than Question Time:
CP - Would the world be a better place if it was run by women?
GG - No.
@grantyway the eurozone sovereign debt crises will make the 2008 credit crises and Argentinian default(prior largest) look like the merest hiccups.
People have been predicting this for almost a decade now. I don't believe it anymore.
Jamba - is English your first language? Just wondering.
Keep focusing on the big issues DrJ. Crack on, really do.
As you wish - which will be the better leader - the racist or the incompetent?
Jambalaya- I've followed your comments all the way through this thread with great interest. There are 2 things that you allude to that I've not asked you much on, that form the basis of much of your opinions. And these are:
-the prediction that the Eurozone is about to go an imminent collapse- the sovereign debt crisis
-the EU's treatment of Greece
Obviously I've read much on both of these elsewhere, but I don't know that you've ever really given us your views.
This isn't some kind of baiting- I'm genuinely curious as much of what you say hangs on the first one. If you have time, please explain why you think this is going to be an issue.
thanks
Just read this about the rather glib 'we can just be ordinary members of the WTO'. Apparently it is one of those things that sounds much simpler than it is.
[url= http://http://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-simple-about-uk-regaining-wto-status-post-brexit ]WTO article[/url]
Wasn't able to access that link, but here is one on a similar subject that explains why dealing with the EU and (say) Australia simultaneously post-Brexit will not be as simple as it's made out:
https://next.ft.com/content/1688d0e4-15ef-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e
