Can we ease off on the personal insults please?You might not agree with jamba, but his point of view is still relevant and interesting.
This is the problem with the swear filter, it doesn't accurately portray the amount of characters typed. My insult was aimed at Farage, not Jamba. As much as I completely disagree with his viewpoint, he has every right to communicate it.
True that, we have bombed ourselves.
Article is spot on and many were saying leaving the EU was technically impossible months ago.
Diane Dods DUP now, guess one positive, is at least these people will stop embarrassing us in the Eu parliament now.... 😕
seosamh77 - MemberDiane Dods DUP now, a trio of **** if complete, guess one positive, is at least these people will stop embarrassing us in the Eu parliament now....
Based on the lack of quality of politicians just now, I think you will be seeing a few on lampies near you soon enough. (Not doing a Mussolini)
Can we ease off on the personal insults please?You might not agree with jamba, but his point of view is still relevant and interesting.
"Relevant and interesting".
Are you conducting some kind of psychological research?
Jamba's mask is actually starting to slip a bit on this thread - so personally I am all for a bit, no make that a lot, more.
He's pretty stoic, but I reckon another fifty or so pages and he'll end up with an expletive-filled, carpet-chewing, full-on fascist rant and threats of "you'll be first against the wall when we get in".
Molgrips: yep largely agree that article describes what is going on behind the scenes. Describing BoJo as "Churchillian" is, perhaps, a step too far for my imagination. Blackadder-like (series 1) is possibly a better simile.
Describing BoJo as "Churchillian"
Rhymes with "Reptillian".
Makes you think.
Farage in EU parliament:
Nigel Farage has told a session of the European Parliament that "the little people" had rejected "big politics" in order "to get their country back".He said the UK now offered "a beacon of hope" across Europe for other countries that wanted to leave the EU.
What an odious turd.
Are you conducting some kind of psychological research?
No, I just find considered viewpoints that oppose my own to be useful and interesting.
If Brexit has taught us anything it should be to listen to the other side instead of just insulting them and trying to shut them down.
@molgrips it's an interesting article, similar to the one in the washington post...and once again the question it leaves is..but what of democracy?
What of it?
Always a tremendously flawed system. The only reason it's in use is that the other systems so far invented are worse. It's not an ideal, just a messy compromise.
And the referendum was advisory all along. That is, to show the government what the public wanted. The government has to take it seriously but it does not HAVE to do it. That is why we have elected representatives. Democratically so.
Have left the BBC Parliament feed running in the background. Not something I usually have on. Its quite interesting listening to them debate properly and amicably outside the usual pantomime of PMQs. I'd also not appreciated how awesome Bercow is as Speaker. It will be interesting to follow how they deal with the matter.
[quote=lazybike ]but what of democracy?
Which democracy? The one some people think they have (but I voted for...) or the one we actually have. Legally and constitutionally, people just voted in a giant opinion poll.
Clearly it would have been possible to make the referendum legally binding, as that's what they did with the 2011 AV one - though in that case there were mainstream politicians who actually wanted to win it.
Yep. It has as much legal validity as that petition for a second referendum.
But both those things can put pressure on MPs to do what they're told rather than acting with conscience in the interests of their constituents.
You moron that is idiotic Shush *If Brexit has taught us anything it should be to listen to the other side instead of just insulting them and trying to shut them down.
*WARNINC POST CONTANS IRONY
Farage gets up in the EU parliament.
They jeer.
He smiles and delivers a speech in the manner of Christopher Biggins.
They jeer some more.
He smiles some more, hams it up a bit more, a few comedy insults thrown in.
And it's a full-on panto.
Bear in mind - this is someone given a mandate by this country make himself and us look like monumental prats (which we have proved we are).
Does it get any worse than this?
Yes, of course it does. This is merely excruciatingly embarrassing, the real pain is to come.
I am glad I am not going to 'that abroad' on holiday this year so that I don't have to apologise every time I have to admit I am English/british.
That and the fact that I am saving a few quid for the impending recession by doing so.
#posttruthpolitics
@danny he has most certainly had the last laugh, as he said 17 years ago he would campaign for the UK to leave and today he can reprt he has delivered that and that the UK will not be the last member to do so
@danny he has most certainly had the last laugh, as he said 17 years ago he would campaign for the UK to leave and today he can reprt he has delivered that and that the UK will not be the last member to do so
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Cos-bloody-mic.
No, I just find considered viewpoints that oppose my own to be useful and interesting.If Brexit has taught us anything it should be to listen to the other side instead of just insulting them and trying to shut them down.
This is wisdom. This should be be one of the main lessons from the Referendum. I may diasgree with many here but I can listen and try to understand their rationale.
... he has most certainly had the last laugh...
The irony is, it's us, the British public, he's laughing at.
This is wisdom. This should be be one of the main lessons from the Referendum. I may diasgree with many here but I can listen and try to understand their rationale.
You have never listened to other viewpoints, that is just another comical lie. Honestly you need to take a good hard look at yourself, you have the ego of Ronaldo with all the skills of a Sunday pub team cruncher.
Indeed and its embarrassing for him and more importantly for us
I may diasgree with many here but I can listen and try to understand their rationale.
You cannot even agree with yourself 😆
@danny he has most certainly had the last laugh, as he said 17 years ago he would campaign for the UK to leave and today he can reprt he has delivered that and that the UK will not be the last member to do so
I think some of us are hoping the last laugh will see him out of the job he didn't do very well and the UK firmly back in the EU.
Just referring back to Jez Hunt running for PM; on R4 he cited the complex successful settlement with junior doctors as proof of his negotiating skills which would stand him in good stead for bargaining with the EU.
No. I'm not making this up. It's probably on I Player. Under 'comedy'.
I think some of us are hoping the last laugh will see him out of the job he didn't do very well and the UK firmly back in the EU.
If we're doing a wishlist can we please have him in the stocks in front of the houses of parliament for a couple of days?
Probably somewhere like Barnsley or Sunderland for him
In other news, buyers remorse is starting to creep across the office amongst the leavers, as things like foreign currency for summer holidays is discussed, and what the 'single market' really is.
It's a bit like this:
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If foreign holidays become more expensive, that's good for areas like Cornwall as more people holiday in the UK.
Alyn Smith makes Scotland's case clear:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36649733 (vid)
Nicely done. Just waiting for the EU to start chanting "King in the North!" 😉
If foreign holidays become more expensive, that's good for areas like Cornwall as more people holiday in the UK.
Do the unemployed go on holiday?
Another vignette from last Friday.
One of our office's strident Leave voters was giving it large about immigration (despite the fact we have an excellent Polish lady working in our department). Thankfully all of the Polish lady's fears were assuaged by "oh, I don't mean you - you'll be OK".
Anyway - a few hours after being on the soapbox she is on the phone to her husband.
"Oh my god, have you seen what is happening with the Euro? You need to get down the Post Office quick and get the money for holiday".
My desk is now half an inch lower after I repeatedly smashed my forehead into it.
No, I just find considered viewpoints that oppose my own to be useful and interesting.
They are if they are logical and based on some sort of reasoned analysis of sound data. For example, I have benefitted much from sparring with THM on other subjects and tested my own ideas and preconceptions. Quibbling with some others is largely pointless (though amusing, in an unclean sort of way) as you can be pretty confident that anything he says is factually incorrect to start with, and illogically argued on top of that.
One of our office's strident Leave voters was giving it large about immigration (despite the fact we have an excellent Polish lady working in our department). Thankfully all of the Polish lady's fears were assuaged by "oh, I don't mean you - you'll be OK".
I know two immigrants (English in Germany) who voted leave because of immigration, neither can see what they have done "it is the other immigrants not us", then got all upset when I called them dribbling drooling ****ing idiots.
If foreign holidays become more expensive, that's good for areas like Cornwall as more people holiday in the UK.
As the pound sinks lower it's also much more attractive for foreign holiday makers too. Except they won't feel welcome.
Thankfully all of the Polish lady's fears were assuaged by "oh, I don't mean you - you'll be OK"
Well, when all the Poles have been kicked out it will give our lads a chance. If any of the unemployed labourers in Hartlepol wants to turn his hand to seismic data processing, give me a shout. But I have a feeling I'm better off with the folk I have now.
"As the pound sinks lower it's also much more attractive for foreign holiday makers too. Except they won't feel welcome."
They're welcome.
I have benefitted much from sparring with THM on other subjects and tested my own ideas and preconceptions.
Blows a kiss at the good Dr - me too mate!!
"As the pound sinks lower it's also much more attractive for foreign holiday makers too. Except they won't feel welcome."They're welcome.
Thankfully all of the [s]Polish lady's[/s] [i]foreign tourists[/i] fears were assuaged by "[s]oh, I don't mean you - you'll be OK[/s]"[i]someone on an obscure cycling forum[/i] saying that [i]they're welcome[/i]
Jambalaya
do you think Farige's speech today, in any way, helped us as we prepare to enter the most important trade negotiations in the country's history?
"Thankfully all of the foreign tourists fears were assuaged by someone on an obscure cycling forum saying that they're welcome"
Glad to have helped!
do you think Farige's speech today, in any way, helped us as we prepare to enter the most important trade negotiations in the country's history?
I've always found the best way to enter complex negotiations is to prance about like a smug sanctimonious **** whilst slagging off everyone in the room and telling them how they are a bunch of self serving losers.
[quote=kimbers ]do you think Farige's speech today, in any way, helped us as we prepare to enter the most important trade negotiations in the country's history?
I'm not jamba and I wouldn't dream of speaking for him, but I suspect the important people see him as the irrelevance he is - he won't have a seat at the negotiations. The reaction of other MEPs suggests they don't take him very seriously
outofbreath - Member
If foreign holidays become more expensive, that's good for areas like Cornwall as more people holiday in the UK.
Possibly, but they'd have to get a lot more expensive before Cornwall felt like a good option to me.
A few years ago we had a week in Cornwall and a week in Les Gets (both summer). Accommodation and travelling for the week in Les Gets was cheaper, plus we actually spent less and got more when we got there.
Just personal experience.
