Anti Brexit March planned for 9 July.
By then everyone will be arguing about Chilcot. It is quite ironic that the Remainers can't deal with democracy
@jamba I have been waiting for the pending Eurozone implosion for 5 years luckily was not holding my breath.
@wiki you must have been watching the desperate can kicking thats been going on for the last 5 years at Greece's expense. Its all about delaying the inevitable, certainly until after the 2017 elections in France and Germany
@Ben how can anyone give assurances about the future ? You can only make a promise and hope you can keep it. Given how sick Europe is there is no guaranty any given EU funding would continue
Come on. We're £350 million a week better off.This will now cost time and money to sort out, which our UK public service simply does not have
@jamba I have been waiting for the pending Eurozone implosion for 5 years luckily was not holding my breath.
That Ambrose Evans-Pritchard character in the Telegraph has been predicting the Euro would implode since about 2008, and it still hasn't happened.
Come on. We're £350 million a week better off.
That's earmarked for Hospitals. Didn't you read the bus?
Come on. We're £350 million a week better off.
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By then everyone will be arguing about Chilcot. It is quite ironic that the Remainers can't deal with democracy
and Bojo/Gove etc. otherwise we would be having some really positive lets get shit done talk but instead we are firmly moving towards reverse??
I assume at this point you realise that you and the rest of the cannon fodder have just been shoved out into the field just before your own side has a change of mind?
in fact the leaders seem more and more like
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That's earmarked for Hospitals. Didn't you read the bus?
I think you will find that Boris/IDS/Gove/Farage/Vote Leave is fairly certain you mis-read that.
Funny thing is Jamba, one of the reasons I questioned the timing was ....
Come July 9th, that march may well be turned on it's head ... as it becomes increasingly evident that A50 will never be invoked.
Would you march if that was the case ?
Not sure I'd fancy being in the middle of a angry group of Brexiters ??
Yes, but the NHS is going to have less immigrants to treat now, so they could probably spare a bit.That's earmarked for Hospitals. Didn't you read the bus?
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Do we have any consensus yet regarding the NETT amount we actually contribute?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216
It is quite ironic that the Remainers can't deal with democracy
The Leavers haven't got democracy either.
No-one has.
It's a massive balls up.
The Leavers haven't got democracy either.No-one has.
It's a massive balls up.
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It is quite ironic that the Remainers can't deal with democracy
You think it would have been a different story of the result had gone the other way? You think Leave and UKIP would have said [i]"Ooh close one, but well played. We'll disband immediately and throw our full weight into a united EU"[/i].
Because I don't:
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Not that I think that means we should have a second referendum. We all knew the rules when we started and it would fly in the face of democracy.
Besides we've farted now and everyone in the room can smell it - it's too late to try to unfart.
I think you will find that Boris/IDS/Gove/Farage/Vote Leave is fairly certain you mis-read that.
Much like Ed milliband's Stone of Pledges is now probably 6 tonnes of loose chippings, I wonder where the bus is now. And has anyone noticed how much sales of Nitromors are up since the referendum?
Besides we've farted now and everyone in the room can smell it - it's too late to try to unfart.
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Some kind of protracted stand-off is now very likely.
Brussels can pressure as much as they like, but there is no option for anyone other than the leaving country to invoke Article 50.
The UK parliament has no constitutional obligation to take any notice of referendum.
Could this potentially just end up a bit like an official declaration of war where the actual fighting has been over for decades, it is just that the paperwork hasn't been updated - I think there are some oddities still like that around in the world(?)
Or like Belgium not having an elected government for 589 days? After a while, it just became the norm and 99.999999% of the machine just kept going.
Dave has thoroughly shafted Johnson - chuckle.
Boris's options:
Don't run for Tory leadership - finished.
Run for Tory leadership, don't get it - finished (although it will take a bit longer).
Run for Tory leadership, get it and become PM, then don't invoke A50 - finished.
Run for Tory leadership, get it and become PM, then invoke A50 - finished.
That's what you get for being a prat.
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Would you march if that was the case ?
Definitely, someone has to push the wheelchairs and help the elderly eh ?
Unsurprisingly, 2nd referendum is a no go.
Don't worry Leave have got this, they just want to go on holibobs first:
"During the campaign there was talk about triggering Article 50 and its process of leaving the EU right away, literally on Friday morning, and I think quite rightly the PM has paused on that which allows the dust to settle, allows people to go away on holiday, have some informal discussions about it, and then think about it come September/October time.
He said Vote Leave had "done lots of detailed planning" for Brexit and suggested Michael Gove was "probably the man to lead the negotiations" - but dismissed the idea of any formal role for Ukip leader Nigel Farage."
Much like Ed milliband's Stone of Pledges is now probably 6 tonnes of loose chippings, I wonder where the bus is now.
On its way back to the Neoplan dealer in Stuttgart probably.
Would Jamba march, Ro5ey?
Is he in the country on the 9th? 😉
Cameron was the one who said Article 50 should be trigegred immediately,mhe did it as a FU threat. Farage said so too as he was suspicius of a fudge. Then of course Cameron's done a runner. Article 50 trigger will be Nov/Dec 2016 at the earliest, maybe the middle of next year but thats quite controversial as during the French / German elections or more likely we wait to see who the new leaders are. Very food chance they will be more eurosceptic than Hollande/Merkel - we have negotiating upside by waiting IMO.
My 2 cents is on a EU move to remove the British rebate as the next headlines. That and a lot of sound byte sabre ratting at the conference
Is he in the country on the 9th?
Touche ! Worth a trip back, bit like last week 😉
He said Vote Leave had "done lots of detailed planning" for Brexit and suggested Michael Gove was "probably the man to lead the negotiations" - but dismissed the idea of any formal role for Ukip leader Nigel Farage."
Chuckle.
Just as Mike thought he might have got away with it, Cameron keeps the pressure on. Also puts Farage back in his place - he's not even an MP after all.
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May well be as there has only been a few hours of trading/business since the cock up
We got downgraded by one rating lot on Friday, when the other 2 follow what will happen to out bond rates for any new borrowing?
Sales of whiskey and revolvers rumoured to be on the increase in the areas surrounding high-profile Tory Leavers who now realise the impossible situation they are in?
Felt the direct effect of the Brexit vote this morning. Client cancelled a project due to economic uncertainty. That's me £3,000 worse off. Hope this isn't the first of many.
My 2 cents is on a EU move to remove the British rebate as the next headlines.
Some would like that, but I'm not sure Merkel is one.
David Cameron "ruling out" a second referendum seems a bit, umm, irrelevant.
He's just some backbench MP now. No-one cares what he thinks anymore.
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David Cameron "ruling out" a second referendum seems a bit, umm, irrelevant.
seems like hes really, sticking the boot in to borris imho
I wonder where the bus is now.
It was used as Will Young's tour bus at Glastonbury.
seems like hes really, sticking the boot in to borris imho
Good, because if ever there was someone who deserves a good public kicking (metaphorical) it is Johnson. Gove in a very close second. Farage? Wouldn't waste the energy.
Do we have any consensus yet regarding the NETT amount we actually contribute?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216
Yep that's about what I saw. £140 a head then. How much is it going to cost to buy into all those new trade deals WITHOUT accepting immigration?
It is quite ironic that the Remainers can't deal with democracy
Oh I think you'll find we're OK with democracy. It's the lies we find unacceptable.
Oh I think you'll find we're OK with democracy. It's the lies we find unacceptable.
Quite a few people saying about "oh, accept democracy".
This is nowhere even close to being democratic.
Asking a woolly question of an uneducated (and politically disenfranchised) group of people with no clear terms (ie is it legally binding, does there have to be a 2/3rds majority, is it simply an opinion poll?) which then gets hijacked by the right-wing tabloids with a mixture of fear, scaremongering, lies, spin and deceit reaches a level of interest probably completely unplanned for and then having absolutely zero plan for either outcome is hardly democratic.
I'd go with "spectacularly ****ing incompetent"
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We have a new neighbour. He's a lovely fella just turned 77. He was telling me he voted out as he thinks it was the only chance he had (and might have as he's not in great health) to stick the boot into a ruling class he despises. He also thinks the EU wastes loads of money and makes rules for no one but themselves. He's not that bothered about what happens next.
And you know what, even as hand wringing liberal with a big x in remain, I find it hard to argue with that. Wrong question, wrong answer but when your standing MP is a ) a total smug git and b) has no chance of ever being ousted and someone gives you the chance to 'hoof the govt in the slats', you might decide to take it.
I don't agree with his rationale or his lack of concern over consequences, but I can't argue with why hie chose to vote out. It's tragically ironic that the reasons we got here is because CMD needed to shore up his own party against UKIP so offered a referendum to woo those voters.
My reflection on the whole sorry saga is a) there were lies on both sides and reasonable arguments on both sides. We only heard the first and b) a referendum is far too blunt an instrument to choose between them.
If you wanted to devise some kind of experiment to perfectly demonstrate how modern politics isn't functioning properly, then you'd be pretty hard pressed to come up with anything that could possibly trump this sorry shambles
seems like hes really, sticking the boot in to borris imho
He needs to stick the boot into himself too for taking such a ridiculous risk.
He also thinks the EU wastes loads of money and makes rules for no one but themselves.
By "themselves" I assume he means us here in the UK, as we're part of the EU?
Or does he really mean those pesky foreigners, with their weird accents?
To be fair to the fella, it was more that the rules benefitted 'everyone else' not the UK. I did gently ask for evidence of that, but it was a case of 'everyone knows that'. On the pesky foreigners front, as a builder of many years, he thinks the Polish and other eastern europeans who worked for him were far better than 'the lazy local lot'.
I appreciate this is a sample size of 1, but it was 100% having a once in a lifetime opportunity to hurt those in govt. It was vindictive rather than logical and well reasoned (IMO), but I get why he did it.
I had the misfortune to listen to a phone-in show when I was driving from Edinburgh to Aberdeen this morning. Best quote of the day was from some old lady who's main reason for voting out was because "she didn't want to become part of a German empire". There were also other older folks who were saying that the didn't really understand the issues but voted leave to get the boot into (mostly now-dead) politicians from the EU vote 40 years ago. None of them seemed to have any real idea on what they were voting for and how it might impact them financially.
To be fair to the fella, it was more that the rules benefitted 'everyone else' not the UK. I did gently ask for evidence of that, but it was a case of 'everyone knows that
Yip.
Clean beaches
Reduced emissions
Reduction/abolition of mobile roaming charges
etc
All for Johnny Foreigner. No benefit to us at all. The Daily Mail headlines almost write themselves
How about another round of voting?
[url= https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/27/nick-barber-tom-hickman-and-jeff-king-pulling-the-article-50-trigger-parliaments-indispensable-role/ ]Any prime minister will need parliamentary approval to trigger article 50 of the Lisbon treaty and initiate the UK’s exit from the European Union [/url]
If it comes to this I can't see MPs voting with the whip if they don't want to but how would it go down with constituents' if they went against the result of the referendum?
It was vindictive rather than logical and well reasoned (IMO), but I get why he did it.
Doesn't make it right, though.
I'm not sure I like the idea of people voting out of hate/spite.....
@BiB - yeah I know. It's like me telling my dad he's wrong about something. I REALLY do not want to stereotype any demographic group here but - again in my sample size of 1- he was more certain of everything than I am of anything! Fourth estate has a case to answer here....
