This plaice is getting worse
Stop it, you've giving me a haddock.
On brexit benefits: Over in the increasingly misnamed 50p thread, I've just posted this.
[Leavers have] been played for fools.
I genuinely hope that sooner or later people will realise that they’ve been manipulated, and that they get really angry about it. [On this thread] they’re asking about brexit positives, there’s one right here. We might see some actual positive change when people stop believing everything they read of the front page of the gutter press and redirect their ire at the people in Westminster who are actually responsible for all their ills.
At the risk of putting a downer on fishing rights... We might be leaving the EU but we aren't leaving OSPAR or the UNCLOS and those treaties prevent unilateral changes to access and activities at sea. If we are unable to fish to complete quotas as we don't have the vessels/manpower then other countries are entitled to take the rest. Countries/parties that have had historical access cannot be adversely affected by changes. Finally the quotas that have been set by the EU are by and large set by scientists in the UK. Leaving the EU doesn't change the science.
Sadly, for a lot of people, it's not about benefits and drawbacks, it's not even about the EU it's about winning. A lot of my family voted for Brexit and I got told in no uncertain terms - "you lot have had it too good for too long" When I asked who "you lot" were? I was told "You! You think you're better than us with your job and your house, well it's time you learned and now you will" I was absolutely dumbstruck by this - yes I have a professional job and a niceish house (1970s detached...), but by God have I worked for it. I put myself through night class, I put myself through uni, I worked my ass off in my early career and did my PhD in my own time at my own cost.
I almost said something, but then I thought...they know this, how did I become the bad guy here?
"Taking back control" has NOTHING to do with Europe! Maybe, at the start it did, but now Us and Them are the same people separated by something...class? Hard work? A willingness to move for work? I genuinely don't know. I knew my hometown was a hole with no prospects, so I worked, saved up and left...was that the difference?
Sadly, for a lot of people... it’s about winning.
Yup. I've said this several times on here. "We won you lost shut up and get over it." It's like it's a bloody football match.
“you lot have had it too good for too long” When I asked who “you lot” were? I was told “You! You think you’re better than us with your job and your house, well it’s time you learned and now you will”
Well I have been saying this for a long time. We live in a country where opportunity to do well is now a function of your background, family connections and wealth, and your social network. If you have none of those things then you have little chance of breaking out of the downward spiral. The result is that those who are caught in it will bring as many with them as they can, and brexit is their opportunity to do that. Instead of blaming them and hoping they get poorer (as many on here do), perhaps we should be thinking about how to address the root problems that got us here.
You're absolutely right, of course, Daz. The irony of it all is that those at the bottom of the heap already, and the most economically disadvantaged areas are the ones that are going to be absolutely clobbered by Brexit.
While those that already have the most will stand to make the most gains
Its the soon-to-be-redundent car plant workers of Sunderland, and the jobs that depend on them, who are going to pay the price for this. I doubt the Hedge Fund Managers of Surrey will be shedding too many tears as they count the millions in their offshore bank accounts.
Brexit is about to turbo-charge inequality in this country.
Whats going to be interesting is what happens when everyone realises how much they've been lied too
Actually... I know what'll happen....
Absolutely nothing. They'll just moan about it while watching Love Island and probably blame foreigners again, egged on by the tabloid press
There may be some truth to that more generally Dazh, but Daffy was talking about family. I’m guessing that they had similar “background, family connections and wealth” when setting off in life.
Anyway, I still like to believe there are some people who want Brexit as they hope that it will bring benefits to all, not just to bring down others. A lot of things I’ve heard in the last few years makes that seem a increasing naive belief though.
Easy now tiger, that’s fighting talk! Norweigian is close, but Danish is like talking with marbles in your mouth.
There is no "Norwegian" it's either Bokmal or Nynorsk... but the pronunciation of Danish is very special. My Nynorks and Bokmal are both limited but written Danish is mostly intelligible but the minute it's spoken I know how people learning English must feel.
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Re-unification of Ireland, independence for Wales and Scotland, shortly followed by Yorkshire, Cornwall and the City of London.
Funnily enough at the bottom of that barrel... the glimmer of silver lining might be a cessation of something that started in 1455 and quite probably something pre-dating even that akin to 9C.
I can forsee a Lancs/Yorks/Cumbria nation... the old Northumbria
Cornwall isn't technically fully England anyway, the relationship was never formalised and
Wessex and the "not it's own Kingdom on Kent" ... a bit of juggling about in Mercia both ways with London being the same as it was in the DaneLaw owned by non of the Kingdoms as a neutral junction?
I can forsee a Lancs/Yorks/Cumbria nation…
I'd wager that's about as likely as the United Kingdoms of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and Germany. We've not forgotten the war on either side of the Pennines.
I know. A change away from imported white fish to a wide variety of fish and seafood caught off the shores of Britain could be a positive outcome of Brexit, couldn’t it?
I can imagine the uproar in chippies. "I want white fish".
Cougar
I’d wager that’s about as likely as the United Kingdoms of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and Germany. We’ve not forgotten the war on either side of the Pennines.
LOL: but in all seriousness I can see when the crap hits the fan, Scotland and NI are already gone and quite probably Wales. Everyone is blaming Westminster (or London whilst conveniently forgetting London voted remain) not how they voted a Northern state could be made into a popular vote winner.
I have been asking for positives since the referendum and still haven’t heard one.
Garage will no longer be collecting 85k a year of our taxes to sit in his house and fist his own anus.
The irony of it all is that those at the bottom of the heap already, and the most economically disadvantaged areas are the ones that are going to be absolutely clobbered by Brexit.
Well this has been discussed previously also, and the answer is that they believe they don't have much to lose. They may be wrong, but the fact they believe it is the problem. Poverty is relative, and these people have a quite understandable belief that those who are better off didn't get there through hard graft and ability.
but Daffy was talking about family. I’m guessing that they had similar “background, family connections and wealth” when setting off in life.
So what are you saying? That daffy took the advantages his family gave him, used them for his own betterment and then failed to give anything back? That could be a metaphor for the whole country.
Meanwhile,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-51271287
Campaigners have officially ended a crowdfunding appeal which was raising money to make Big Ben's bell ring to mark Brexit day.
The StandUp4Brexit group says the £272,000 raised will instead go to veterans' charity Help for Heroes.
They say efforts to persuade House of Commons authorities to accept the donation have been "unsuccessful".
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think Help for Heroes accepted political donations? So isn't this going to blow up in their faces too?
There are no benefits of brexit
There is one major benefit: Nigel Farage, Ann Widdecombe, Annunwhats-er-face Rees-Mogg and the rest of the scumbag Brexit MEPs are all out of a job. Bet the EU will be glad to see the back of the useless argumentative thickos and they can get on with having proper constructive debates rather than listening to another 20-minute Farage monologue.
So what are you saying? That daffy took the advantages his family gave him, used them for his own betterment and then failed to give anything back? That could be a metaphor for the whole country.
I think what he, and Daffy, were saying is that they all started in the same shithole, Daffy took some action and put in some effort that paid off; the rest of his family didn't.
Therefore, in their minds, he's a ****, and they voted for Brexit to try to get even with him for making a go of his life.
I apologise for this.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1222233678597718017?s=19
Jesus H Christ.
This is the worst thing I've ever seen.
I am defo getting one of those mugs!
We might see some actual positive change when people stop believing everything they read of the front page of the gutter press and redirect their ire at the people in Westminster who are actually responsible for all their ills.
If the last 50 years has taught us anything it’s that the blame game/scapegoating rolls on no matter what. It’s a human foible that is far too profitable for scumbags not to exploit. Populism is just heating up. When the social and economic privation **really** cuts in then the scapegoating shall of course rise to meet it.
Remember when Britain was seen as cool to much of the outside world? That merchandise is such a deliberate closing of that book.
A brexit bonus?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-immigration-system-what-you-need-to-know
There will be no change to the rights and status of EU citizens currently living in the UK until 30 June 2021.
... and then what?
Just seen that none of that ‘got Brexit done’ merch is being sent out in time for the great Brexit Day. Just perfect.
There is one major benefit: Nigel Farage, Ann Widdecombe, Annunwhats-er-face Rees-Mogg and the rest of the scumbag Brexit MEPs are all out of a job.
I hate to piss on your cornflakes, but it looks like they'll still be at the trough...
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit/brexit-party-nigel-farage-payout-eu-uk-brexit-1362754
Having served as an MEP since 1999, Mr Farage would be eligible to a maximum of €179,000 (£152,000) before tax.
He will also qualify for a pension worth 70 per cent of his MEP salary, the highest permitted under EU rules.
At the trough, and no doubt on your TV & radio, for quite some time to come… unlike any ex or soon to be ex MEPs who actually did their job for us.
Daffy nailed it....
I have had the same chucked at me, "your alright" with your big house and business!
So my response is normally along the lines of " well if you weren't a ****less lazy **** you could have that""sorry i apologise someone should have just given it to you"
I think Daffy has actually raised the best Brexit observation to date.
I am defo getting one of those mugs!
£15?
Be interesting to see where all the 'merch' is made...
Be interesting to see where all the ‘merch’ is made…
That is an astonishingly good question.
Please let it be France!
Some (but not all) have the description "PROUDLY printed in the UK", make of that what you will.
I think Daffy has actually raised the best Brexit observation to date.
Well, petty jealousy was certainly ‘up there’ as an underlying cause.
I thought the merch was a spoof, surely it is?
Naff UK.
I want my country back.
That Irish post article is bang on
That Irish Post article really struck a chord. The themes are almost exactly the same ones discussed with friends this evening. Another topic of conversation was the referendum(s) in Novelle-Calédonie and its fate if ever it cuts ties with France, because other islands that have done so have suffered economic collapse and or become puppet states of Australia.
I thought the merch was a spoof, surely it is?
No. It's on the Tory website.
On top of that .... My favourite bit is "Proudly printed in the UK."
Which rounds up nicely the unfettered bogosity of everything going on here.
Maybe the Tories are banking all the success from a tea-towel to be main opportunity of Brexit?
Carry-on Brexit.
**** me - there are lapel badges too!
**** me – there are lapel badges too!
They've really nailed their target audience with that one haven't they, just shows how in-tune they are with their voters.
Mind you, at least they could sell four to Jacob Rees-Mogg...
Curses.
Met Office only has Westminster as 'overcast' on Friday evening rather that 'bible-level inundation'.
Still, forecasts can change. Fingers crossed.
Now, where is my raindance mask and outfit?
Daffy, was that your family’s thoughts going into the referendum or is it the stance they’ve taken subsequently?
