Boris wants us to “Bung a Bob for a big Ben bong” on brexit night..
No chance. But every one of those stupid 'celebratory' 50p pieces I ever get is either being donated to the campaign to rejoin or the Grauniad. Whichever I think causes Bojo and his mates the most discomfort.
I like that idea...
Hasn't the validity (or otherwise) of the 2016 referendum been made irrelevant by the recent general election?
A vote for the Tories was a vote to leave.
Arguably the Great British Public are more informed now about the problems of leaving than they were in 2016. And yet Boris still won.
not really as the tories got under 50% of the vote
People have voted 3 times for Brexit.
Sadly it is going to happen.
But leavers should not expect us to keep quiet about it.
not really as the tories got under 50% of the vote
I thought that all brexit supporting parties got <50% combined?
I thought that all brexit supporting parties got <50% combined?
True. But a Brexit party won out right. They now get to enact their policies, and deliver Brexit in whatever form they desire (or can achieve). The fact that only a minority of voters backed them, or now back Brexit, is now pretty irrelevant… (just about) all UK governments rule based a minority share of the vote. That’s why our democracy is superior to all other forms of democracy… there is no need for a UK government to act in the interest of even a slim majority of its residents, never mind aim to act in the interests of most of them. [sarcasm intended]
I might have a big bong on Brexit night, just to ease the pain 🙂
The fact that only a minority of voters backed them, or now back Brexit, is now pretty irrelevant… (just about) all UK governments rule based a minority share of the vote. That’s why our democracy is superior to all other forms of democracy… there is no need for a UK government to act in the interest of even a slim majority of its residents, never mind aim to act in the interests of most of them.
This is what I've been trying to get across for months.
Whether a majority of the populace want brexit or the majority want it stopped is an irrelevance. What the people want, or think they want, has no bearing on anything. Like it or not it's parliament's job to make those decisions on our behalf, this is literally how our democratic system works and has worked for a couple of centuries now. (For some value of "worked," at any rate.)
Arguably the Great British Public are more informed now about the problems of leaving than they were in 2016. And yet Boris still won.
Well he was promising to get 'it' Done, and that Corbyn bloke !!!
I'm not sure that many people are actually interested in the petty implementation issues they just wanted us to take back control as soon as possible.
Hasn’t the validity (or otherwise) of the 2016 referendum been made irrelevant by the recent general election?
A vote for the Tories was a vote to leave.
Arguably the Great British Public are more informed now about the problems of leaving than they were in 2016. And yet Boris still won.
yep pro brexit parties got 47% of vote
2nd ref/remain parties got 53% of the vote so its actually the other way round
None of the headaches have gone away, So farJohnson has no answers better than May's to the same issues of NI, customs, sequencing, divergence etc, in fact his play on NI is worse
they just wanted us to take back control as soon as possible.
This much is certain.
"... of what," remains rather more elusive, however.
“… of what,” remains rather more elusive, however.
big bens bongs?
That's easy for you to say.
Come on everyone, we have to move the debate on. Stop focusing on the past, I mean, who ever mentioned trade deals in the context of Brexit anyway?
https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1217006534514880512
The vision of Quasimodo(Mark Francois) swinging from the hands of big ben whilst flinging £500,000 in tenners to the adoring crown below as the bell is struck on the eve of the 31st must keep them all going.
Stop focusing on the past, I mean, who ever mentioned trade deals in the context of Brexit anyway?
So… Foxy wants to focus on the stuff the government and exporters can do, whether we are in the EU or not… to move the debate away from pros/cons of Brexit as regards exporting… now that Brexit can’t be avoided… I can’t imagine why.
Shackleton
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I thought that all brexit supporting parties got <50% combined?
Yep, but first past the post so that doesn't count.
How the hell does Fox even manage to dress himself in the morning?
The vision of Quasimodo(Mark Francois) swinging from the hands of big ben whilst flinging £500,000 in tenners to the adoring crown below as the bell is struck on the eve of the 31st must keep them all going.
Tbh they need a bell for it so a Brexit plus is we’ve got plenty of Brexit bell-ends in parliament.
I do think we need to create a singletrack brexit swingometer to actually track how well Brexit is doing for us joe publics.
Not sure how we quantify the values but I’d like to see a simple indicator of whether it’s improving our lives or not.
I don't need a swingometer to know we are feeling the pinch, pretty much everything is going up quicker than wages, especially in the last ~12 months. It feels like ~2008 again, except this time, money is getting too tight to mention and now we are both working part time rather than just me.
According to Business Insider this is more than we paid to the EU over the last 40 years.
It also doesnt seem to include the money actually spent on the various deal - no deal planning etc.
They have a 4 year window to demo the benefit of a sun lit uplands.
I'm looking forward to watching them try, fail and then squirm out of it blaming everyone else but them selves. Any half decent opposition should be able to wipe the floor with the Tory over lords.
just need to find a half decent opposition now :-/
They have a 4 year window to demo the benefit of a sun lit uplands.
Are they actually even now saying we’re having sun lit uplands?
They have a 4 year window to demo the benefit of a sun lit uplands.
nah theyll just tell every one its great and because the Sun/ Daily Mail/Telegraph says so they will believe it
Any news on the Big Ben bongs?
Apparently, well... according to diminutive dimwit Mark Francois, its the most important issue presently facing the UK
Toyota has chosen France for it's next European investments (a hybrid plant) according to TF1 a few seconds ago. 400 new jobs.
Any half decent opposition should be able to wipe the floor with the Tory over lords.
What you're forgetting is that lots of people WANT to believe the Brexit fantasy. People saying 'a good opposition should wipe the floor with the Tories' is assuming that people will listen to rational arguments. They don't.
And Astrazenica (British-Swedish consortium) opens it's new Dunkirk plant plant. The decisions were made in 2016, obviously a coincidence (not). How's that for Dunkirk spirit ! Negotiating that financial passport is going to be the easiest deal in history... .
https://pharmaboardroom.com/articles/astrazenecas-eur-135-million-investment-in-france/
That's an old article, according to the news they're investing again.
molgrips
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What you’re forgetting is that lots of people WANT to believe the Brexit fantasy
Very well reminded
The 66% Leave voting area of Sittingbourne has just taken back control.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/up-to-300-jobs-at-risk-as-factory-closes-220084/
Found a similar article linked somewhere else - just sort of scrolled past it - about Vauxhall being very concerned about the future of their Ellesmere Port plant. Can't find it again though.
Any news on the Big Ben bongs?Apparently, well… according to diminutive dimwit Mark Francois, its the most important issue presently facing the UK
Classic distraction techniques, kindly done by The Sun & Daily Wail on behalf of the Government. Make big nationalistic noise over here! Ignore failing businesses over there!
A Twitter thread listing all the Brexit benefits so far...
https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1133306212005687296
One good thing about Brexit - these national embarrassments won't be able to embarrass us here.
https://twitter.com/AlexTaylorNews/status/1217780330800865280
Alex taylor used to have regular slot on Europe 1 in the morning, he disappeared for a while but is back on slightly later and too late for me to hear him regularly. Always worth listening to. He used to play the stereotypical Brit but has become more and more European.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/up-to-300-jobs-at-risk-as-factory-closes-220084/
/blockquote>My Mrs used to work there!
The government says it will use the "significant moment in our history" to "heal divisions, re-unite communities and look forward to the country that we want to build over the next decade."
I'm damned if I'm reuniting with the shallow-minded, xenophobic, work-shy racists that clamoured for the thing in the first place.
Nothing to stop them now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933
We're going to become a hellish place to work.
**** brexit and **** anyone that voted for it
Direct quote from the Guardian:
“There will not be alignment, we will not be a rule taker, we will not be in the single market and we will not be in the customs union – and we will do this by the end of the year,” Javid said.
“We’re ... talking about companies that have known since 2016 that we are leaving the EU.”
The bloke is a complete and utter moron. Businesses have known we were due to leave but not when, how or under what rules! They still don't know now, how can they plan for something that has no definition?
The bald **** must be smoking crack - we’re in the mid-late cycle before the next recession. There’s no ****ing way we will achieve 2.5 percent growth whilst screwing over industry.
"how can they plan for something that has no definition?"
How can anyone vote for something that has no definition? But they did.
How can a government implement something that has no definition? But they will.
Just do it! (As Nike would say)
The chancellor also said he wanted to double the UK's annual economic growth to between 2.7 and 2.8%.
This should be made as publicly visible as possible, so that people remember it when we can see what the reality actually is...
Oh, and as for:
He used Japan's car industry as an example of a manufacturing sector which found success without following EU rules
FFS....
He used Japan’s car industry as an example of a manufacturing sector which found success without following EU rules
I think he’s deliberately conflagurating rules and regulations but to what end I don’t get.
He can tell it to the 3,500 Honda workers in Swindon then who are out on their asses in 2021. I’m sure they’ll be happy to learn of it.
Useful thread on this:
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1218445700922597377?s=21
I quite enjoyed:
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1218469404729663488?s=21
