I do not accept your interpretation of what I wrote. My original point was that Diane Abbott received abuse on Saturday that was racially motivated and directed at her personally and therefore worse than anything Andrea Leadsom allegedly received. I was there on Saturday, were you? Do you think that's acceptable for a small group of men to make monkey gestures at Diane Abbott? I'm willing to bet that your answer is "no, it isn't".
Secondly, can you explain why JRM chose to walk to the HoP with his son on Saturday and not take the option of being transported there by car, as he'd be entitled to do?
Thirdly, JRM's son was the victim here. He's twelve and as such a minor. I have taken pains to point out on several occasions that it is unacceptable for a twelve year old to be exposed to this. Indeed as the lad's parent, I believe that there is more that JRM could've done to have avoided exposing him to this. Maybe this is why JRM apparently arrived today at the HoC by car.
I've read a few of your posts and I hold you in high regard. Honestly, you're better than to throw a straw man argument out there like this.
An MP should be able to take their kid to work and not get harassed while doing so, whoever they
Totally agree but you can pick the days you take the kids to work and that day probably wasn’t the best choice.
It’s not like hes a bit short this month and can’t afford the childminder 🙂
FFS… the Westminster chatter seems to now be that as Labour move towards a referendum before an election, the SNP are turning against it. It just isn’t going to happen, is it. Prepare for 5 years of both Johnson as PM and politics (and I don’t just mean what happens in parliament) being dominated by Brexit.
and that day probably wasn’t the best choice
Parliament was sitting on a non-school day. Unusually. That would make it the ideal day for an MP show their child what goes on behind the scenes at work.
Ah, that 3% is a comparison to the imports, I think…
Reading the article back your probably correct.
Last summer apples were in the £140-£160 bracket per tonne. Due to a glut harvest because of the prolonged summer. So say 15p a kg.
Tesco sell those apples for £2 a kg.
You need to wash and store and redistribute them it with thousands of hgv trucks that is no issue to tesco
Big boys screwing producers on price means no money to pay living wage
When it comes to picking fruit in the UK, UKIP had an interesting take on it (best bit):
Back in town, local UKIP councillor Stephen Raven gives a blunt answer why many locals refuse to do the picking and packing agriculture jobs: because "we're lazy".
Old linky.
Reading the article back your probably correct.
Still <1% wastage due to failure to get pickers. All waste is lost income, but you are correct to put it in perspective. Is it a problem that will become worse after we have actually left the EU though? I can’t see things getting better as regards a mobile work force, do you? Not the way we are going. We could of course leave the EU, but have arrangements that make workers feel welcome… but I wouldn’t bet the farm on that happening, would you?
An MP should be able to take their kid to work and not get harassed while doing so, whoever they
Totally agree but you can pick the days you take the kids to work and that day probably wasn’t the best choice.
It’s not like his a bit short this month and can’t afford the childminder 🙂
Exactly this. JRM deserves all the heckling he gets and taking his son to work and walking past the crowd were cynical and politically motivated. HE put miniJRM in front of the crowd and in "harms way". It says a lot more about him than the crowd imho.
I’m pretty poor at this whole fatherhood thing but his kids should be taken into care.
They are aren't they? I'm surprised he didn't have his nanny to look after him.
JRM instumentalises his son with the way he dresses his son and the places he takes him. He's just a bad parent. Stock car drivers don't take their kids as passengers, Mountain guides don't take their kids up Everest, Steel workers don't have their kids a their side in front of the furnace. JRM doesn't give a flying duck about anyone, not even his son; his son is just another thing to be exploited.
I believe that there is more that Dianne Abbot could’ve done to have avoided exposing herself to this. Maybe this is why Dianne Abbott apparently arrived today at the HoC by car.
Does that feel OK? This is essentially the same argument that you're making, all I've done to your words here is exchange JRM for Diane Abbott. To be clear, I don't think you think for a minute the JRM junior deserved this, and if I've made my point so badly that you misunderstood me, then I apologise, that's my fault for not being clear enough.
I don't think anyone should be abused for their honestly held position on Brexit. We're clearly at a different view on this, shall we leave it?
To be clear, I don’t think you think for a minute the JRM junior deserved this, and if I’ve made my point so badly that you misunderstood me, then I apologise, that’s my fault for not being clear enough.
Accepted, agreed let's move on.
Stock car drivers don’t take their kids as passengers
I knew one who did. His son is now a shit hot Autograss racer. JRM is who he is because of his dad*, and no doubt wants to give his son experiences and knowledge that will inform who he is to become.
* ps… this is partly why you shouldn’t trust JRM to ever act in your interests, or the interest of the country, ever. Read up on his father.
Diane Abbott can't leave her skin colour at home.
She could identify as white. That would shut us up. Wouldn't it? 🙂
Not in a race Kelvin, you wouldn't be let out on the circuit.
And the next bit of your post is bollocks in this case. It's just polical instrumentalisation of his son, simple as. JRM is socially inept in most situations, that we know. He fuctions in a very limited social context. To me at least it's not the judges who are enemies of the people it's JRM.
JRM is an enemy of the people.
JRM instumentalises his son with the way he dresses his son and the places he takes him.
I've taken my kids on loads of marches and protests, and encouraged them to do the climate school strikes. Does that mean I'm a bad parent?
Yes, in a race Ed. And the boy was a Class1 champion while still “a child”, no doubt partly because of that race experience.
Anyway, JRM absolutely should be allowed to take his child to work. That isn’t negated by the fact he is in politics to make money, and not improve the country or the lives of anyone else in it.
I’ve taken my kids on loads of marches and protests, and encouraged them to do the climate school strikes. Does that mean I’m a bad parent?
Did you actively goad Brexiteers/Climate change deniers beforehand in the hope that they would abuse your kids to generate tabloid headlines?
If so, yes.
Didn't Saddam Hussein advocate the use of human-shields too?
Jeez. Far be it from me to defend JRM, but this type of hysterical reaction to him walking down a road with his son is exactly the sort of thing which is making (some) remainers look every bit as idiotic as their brexiteer opponents.
So 14 then for any Nascar sanctioned race. Rees-Mogg's son is 12.
And frankly Kelvin, being picky about the examples is pathetic, parents have a duty to protect their kids and a highly controversial politician who has been taking the piss out of the British population taking his kid into a protest is not fulfulling that duty.
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but neither I nor anyone I know would take their kids anywhere near a protest whichever side they were on, a parent taking a child to a manif could be guilty of being negligent in their parenting duties un the law "mis en danger de l'autrui":
No one should be abused, verbally or otherwise, not Children, not women, and not even JRM.
JRM is entirely deserving of verbal abuse, in fact give me a dark alley, JRM and ill give you a dribbling puddle of shit begging for nanny.
Ed, 15 when champion… younger when a passenger (no idea what age he was when started as either driver or passenger)… but the point is that there are few occupations where showing your child where and how you work should be a no go… and being an MP should not be one of them.
And, unusually, I’m with @dazh on this one.
Rees-Mogg had a smirk on his face, because he knew exactly what he would be reading in the papers the next day. What really distressed me is that even The Guardian reported this fake news story, clearly not taking the trouble to check their source. No wonder getting Leavers to hear the truth is so hard.
There is no doubt in my mind what Rees Mogg thinks of the plebs and I think this to him is like taking his Moggette to a Safari Park or Zoo... "look how the animals live and behave" ... as a big game hunter may decide to teach their kids why shooting animals is not only fun but morally for the good.
hysterical
You really like that word dazh.
kelvin
… but the point is that there are few occupations where showing your child where and how you work should be a no go… and being an MP should not be one of them.
It's not but then I'm pretty certain in my head that for Rees Mogg this is just a learning experience for the kid about 'them and us'.
Almost regardless of that though, there are day's when it's not ... like "Come into work with me today so you can see how we all get made redundant"
mmm sending three letters to EU mmmm proroguing parliament...
edukator
Maybe it’s a cultural thing, but neither I nor anyone I know would take their kids anywhere near a protest whichever side they were on, a parent taking a child to a manif could be guilty of being negligent in their parenting duties un the law “mis en danger de l’autrui”
Hardly so simple, I've been to dozens of manifesations ... almost all peaceful the only real exception I can remember was the student protests against Sarkosy (or the night time ones) and the more recent gillet jaune ...
Maybe it’s a cultural thing but it always amazed me how France and Italy could have huge peaceful demonstrations and we couldn't.
Re the SNP appearing to not want to back a confirmatory ref I have just emailed wee Nic my local MP and Ian Blackford and asked them to explain how a party obsessed with a second indyref is doing me out a second EU ref (basically accusing them of being opportunists to cash in on Johnsons disaster) please if you have an SNP mp and feel the same email them today.
Cheers Mark
Unless I'm mistaken this was their position arrived at during conference a few weeks ago.
He’s just a bad parent.
A bit earlier I dropped my Mp Anna McMorrin of at the Station. She had her dog with and was going to try and smuggle her into parliment, does that make her a bad dog owner 🐶🐶 ?
Anna's ok as an MP but Cadi's lovely 😍
https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/events/westminster-dog-of-the-year/anna-mcmorrin-mp-and-cadi/
Dogs of Westminster has brought a smile to my face on an otherwise awful and exhausting day.
Thank you @taxi25!
Unless I’m mistaken this was their position arrived at during conference a few weeks ago.
Last week. I missed the shift then, but yesterday and today MPs are saying a confirmation referendum is now no go, it’s election come what may. Just as more and more key Labour MPs are coming out in favour of a referendum on the current Withdrawal Agreement in order to make things tricky for Johnson. This ends in Johnson getting his way, doesn’t it. Well done SNP… years of sensible policy (proposing soft Brexit ideas at first, and getting behind a referendum after all compromise versions of Brexit killed by the two biggest parties)… now going full party first… independence before all other considerations… what a shame. Very disappointed down here.
Parliament was sitting on a non-school day. Unusually. That would make it the ideal day for an MP show their child what goes on behind the scenes at work.
During possibly one of biggest political protests Ever 🙂
Seems an eminently sensible decision also to have a jolly meet and greet the people as well.
I still think Johnson will get it through, enough Labour MPs will support him
but if he doesnt...
Last week. I missed the shift then, but yesterday and today MPs are saying a confirmation referendum is now no go, it’s election come what may. Just as more and more key Labour MPs are coming out in favour of a referendum on the current Withdrawal Agreement in order to make things tricky for Johnson. This ends in Johnson getting his way, doesn’t it. Well done SNP… years of sensible policy (proposing soft Brexit ideas at first, and getting behind a referendum after all compromise versions of Brexit killed by the two biggest parties)… now going full party first… independence before all other considerations… what a shame. Very disappointed down here.
's funny.
Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford have just written to Donald Tusk telling him they want an extension to give time to hold a second referendum.
They signed the letter at the bottom and everything
A bit earlier I dropped my Mp Anna McMorrin of at the Station. She had her dog with and was going to try and smuggle her into parliment, does that make her a bad dog owner 🐶🐶 ?
Well, according to the Kennel Club...
**CANCELLATION NOTICE**
The Kennel Club and Dogs Trust have taken the decision to cancel Westminster Dog of the Year next Thursday, 5th September.
This is due to concerns about the increase in protests around Parliament; ensuring the safety of the dogs and the MPs taking part is absolute priority.
The EU now saying it doesn't make a difference if the letter was signed or not.
What's gonna happen next?!
And Bercow says....
No.
"My ruling is that the motion will not be debated today as it would be repetitive and disorderly to do so"
Johnson has no majority and that can't continue, even without the backdrop of Brexshiite. Everything he brings to parliament is losing. He has to go. He won't go of his own volition. He'll have to be scraped away like crap on your shoe.
I call 70/30 on GE/ref.
As a massive plus, it looks like reports on the extension suggest that it will go ahead, and with any luck that will put Joris, as his personal preference goes, dead in a ditch.
This is due to concerns about the increase in protests around Parliament; ensuring the safety of the dogs and the MPs taking part is absolute priority.
So basically the Kennel Club care more about dogs than Mogg does about his kid.