Yeah I know, I almost added "well more than normal anyway"
its just that now, all pretence has gone out the window.
For all his time, the pro Brxit crew have been banging on about "giving the people what the people want", but now that the MP's, who speak for "the people", want something contrary to Brexit, what the people want suddenly doesn't count for anything. Now there's a surprise . . . .
I think BJ will get the nod from the mp’s next week for the bill to go through
I don't. His antics tonight will not go down well. Coupled with the fact this is an ERG wet dream brexit he's cooked up. They'll take him down now. He simply cannot be allowed to succeed via this type of behaviour.
Benn act is now law and has been acted upon. DAG stating lack of signature is irrelevant.
If EU grant an extension, then VONC followed by GE
If they don't grant an extension, then it's VONC and revoke in all likelihood, followed by a GE
The EU will grant an extension. No way are they going to be the the fall guys in this almighty mess.
It feels grimly appropriate if Boris Johnson writes a letter to the EU asking for an extension then another one saying the opposite as him writing two opposite pieces is exactly where this whole catastro**** began.
— David Schneider (@davidschneider) October 19, 2019
It looks like PM BoJo has something up his sleeve 😀
The EU will grant an extension. No way are they going to be the the fall guys in this almighty mess.
Not if he has worded the letter differently to the UK advantage. 😄
Is this what our green and pleasant land has become? Led by a prime minister who disregards the law, will lie and weasel his way around the rules and regulations that are supposed to guide and protect us?
It’s what many voters want. And he knows it. It is definitely what Dominic Cummings wants… he spent years telling us.
Is this what our green and pleasant land has become? Led by a prime minister who disregards the law, will lie and weasel his way around the rules and regulations that are supposed to guide and protect us?
The law just says send a letter requesting extension.
He has followed the law but perhaps adding extra or ignore certain details. 😄
He can even write the letter by saying "Requesting for an extension and if they agree then they will formally install him as emperor of EU". 🤣
He's caved in and sent the letter, he's just a serial bullshitter.
PSA - the killfile is an extremely effective way of removing moronic posts, non-sequiturs and blatant trolling attempts from spoiling your forum experience.
Have just returned from Parliament Square where I was protesting along with others. Aside from a large drunk Leave guy who wanted a fight at Victoria Station, everything went very well.
The large drunk guy had nothing beyond "I voted to leave". He had no facts, no argument. He tried the "I'm working class innit" angle, turns out he's got more higher ed qualifications than me. He made a point of asking my friend whether he was born here, when shown evidence and talked through what's happening he had nothing to give. We shook hands.
I also wound up drinking with a bunch of young Conservatives for Europe. It's a crazy world when Michael Hezeltine is a hero to both Tories and non-Tories like myself.
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The EU will grant an extension. No way are they going to be the the fall guys in this almighty mess.
They absolutely would eventually. However as the bill might be passed by next Tuesday and they would have to pull all the stops out to agree to it before then, it makes sense for them to take a little while. Hoping the pressure will get the bill passed.
Again, you can see where they are going from. Basically and deeply ironically, rather than them "bullying us to stay in. BS" etc etc... We are being, politely, handed our hat and coat.
The UK is now the sick man of Europe again and they rightly want us out. Unless by a miracle we changed our minds.
Does anyone believe that Brexiteers could muster a peaceful demonstration in the hundreds or even tens of thousands?
Led by a prime minister who disregards the law,
Has he in this case ? The courts will decide whether he has or not.
All the criticism of BJ on here forgets that he was given the PM job with the single caveat of delivering brexit. He's going to at least try to do that one way or another.
He’s caved in and sent the letter, he’s just a serial bullshitter.
What else could he do, break the law ???
Does anyone believe that Brexiteers could muster a peaceful demonstration in the hundreds or even tens of thousands?
Why?
Demonstrate for what?
We can always demonstrate via the comfort of the ballot paper. 😀
We just don't vote for politicians or parties we don't like.
^^ I'm pretty sure that no-one on here gave him that job.
Does anyone believe that Brexiteers could muster a peaceful demonstration in the hundreds or even tens of thousands?
No.
Last time round there was football field jeering and some nut job with a bullhorn who kept going on about how the EU protects "peados".
The problem is that those who voted to Leave did so for so many different and conflicting reasons. There is no unifying coherent argument. Just look at our trolling non-sequitur posting friend for an example of this.
Does anyone believe that Brexiteers could muster a peaceful demonstration in the hundreds or even tens of thousands?
Again what would they protest about ? The referendum delivered a leave result. The process of leaving is still on going.
Has he in this case ? The courts will decide whether he has or not.
The Supreme Court has already stuck that label on him.
I'm in nough said 😉
JeZ
Not in London.
The papers and various leave figures keep saying variations on the people won't accept it and there'll be unrest, but its bollocks.
Has he in this case ? The courts will decide whether he has or not.
All the criticism of BJ on here forgets that he was given the PM job with the single caveat of delivering brexit. He’s going to at least try to do that one way or another.
He was also elected on a manifesto not to put customs checks down the Irish sea
He even promised the DUP he wouldn't at their conference
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/1185638911076438017
Promised his own MPs he wouldn't prorogue parliament
Promised his constituency he'd lie before the bulldozers
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1011239603766988807
All those affairs and illegitimate kids
He seems to break every promise he makes, why would anyone expect him to suddenly be true to his word now?
The Supreme Court has already stuck that label on him.
The supreme court said his prolonging of parliament was unlawful. But that wasn't established untill after the fact. No law was ever broken.
The WA that Boris has is basically the same as May's but with environmental, consumer and employment rights removed. It's temporary and mandates a Jan 1st 2021 trade treaty otherwise we revert to WTO terms. Naturally, the latter is wholly unpalatable unless you're a member of the ERG.
Parliament was not prorogued (or prolonged).
Johnson's deal also breaches May's self-imposed red line re. border in Irish Sea. Despite which, she voted for it today. For May, Brexit means any old shit.
Johnson’s deal also breaches May’s self-imposed red line re. border in Irish Sea. Despite which, she voted for it today. For May, Brexit means any old shit.
To be fair, May's red lines were set in part due to the ghost of Ian Paisley shouting 'Never, Never, Never!" in her ear.
Doris Johnson is less hamstrung by the neanderthal numb skulls of the DUP than she was.
Brexit was always about frenzied deregulation, setting up a sweatshop on the borders of the EU and flooding the market with deregulated tat via leaky borders.
I don't much care for realigning ourselves with the Americans, especially not under Trump or the GOP. Most people confronted with the cold facts would share those misgivings.
Brexit was always about frenzied deregulation, setting up a sweatshop on the borders of the EU and flooding the market with deregulated tat via leaky borders.
I don’t much care for realigning ourselves with the Americans, especially not under Trump or the GOP. Most people confronted with the cold facts would share those misgivings.
It's quite astounding how the Eurosceptic agenda has been promoted relentlessly through the redtops over the last 20+ years to the ordinary people in the UK.
Brexit is most certainly not in the interests of the majority, but will make the privileged few wealthier and more powerful. The majority will suffer, with the most vulnerable being 1st in the queue.
Read today in the Irish press that we now have net migration from UK to Ireland for probably the 1st time in history...
Horrifying to say but we are one our way out with a Hard Brexit and then desperate pain and conflict for many years to come. Hell we still might crash out in 14 months anyway as the trade deals are always going to be the hard part after the “easy” withdrawal deal.
Yep it’s why the erg are on-board with the ‘deal’, once Brexits‘done’ on 31 they’ll attempt to play everything Brexit related down.
After all we’re out the eu and it’s all happy days for 14 months , he’ll get re-elected as saviour of Brexit and (as we’re really still in it)nothing has changed so no bad side effects yet and the erg have 14 months to vote down anything and can happily drop out on wto.
It’s quite astounding how the Eurosceptic agenda has been promoted relentlessly through the redtops over the last 20+ years to the ordinary people in the UK.
Brexit is most certainly not in the interests of the majority, but will make the privileged few wealthier and more powerful. The majority will suffer, with the most vulnerable being 1st in the queue.
Replace Brexit will Tory party and all you said is also true. How much difference that makes to voting it is probably not possible to say but it must make some difference.
Tbh when someone’s selling you a ‘great new deal’ you know there full of shit.
Especially when that great new deal starts out shafting workers rights and the environment and you’ve got a PM telling you it allows them to implement greater rights than the EU, although the EU rights are a minimum requirement and the members can go above them.
Gotta love taking back control you never lost.
Have just returned from Parliament Square where I was protesting along with others.
Thank you for being there, PMJ1974.
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Does anyone believe that Brexiteers could muster a peaceful demonstration in the hundreds or even tens of thousands?
No problem at all.
Oh, you were talking about people, not pounds.... 🙂
Nail on the head 🙂
I really don't think Johnson has thought through the implications of stabbing the DUP in the back.
Those guys really know how to hold a grudge
Theyre still getting fired up about 330 year old battles
If we end up with johnsons border down the Irish sea- ever closer to reunification of Ireland , could we end up seeing Johnson effigies on those big bonfires?
All the criticism of BJ on here forgets that he was given the PM job with the single caveat of delivering brexit.
Not by the electorate 🙄
Especially when that great new deal starts out shafting workers rights and the environment
What are where is your proof that leaving the EU will automatically be worse for workers rights and the enviroment?
Seriously ^^^^^
Workers rights, consumer rights and the environment are all things they felt needed to be changed between May's deal and Boris's deal.
Are we supposed to believe that was just for shits and giggles?
What are where is your proof that leaving the EU will automatically be worse for workers rights and the enviroment?
It is not automatically worse. But when the government in power consists of Johnson, Raab, Patel and co do you seriously think they are going to look to improve workers right or remove them?
Same for environmental policies, better or worse?
What are where is your proof that leaving the EU will automatically be worse for workers rights and the enviroment?
Johnson specifically removed them from the legally binding WA into the meaningless political declaration
The only reason that was done, was because the ERG want to rip them up & despite what Raab says today- he has for example said several times that he wants out the working time directive & to remove 'burdensome' protections for agency workers.
During the ref Patel gave a speech saying she wanted to halve the 'burden' of workers rights
https://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2016/05/let-cats-priti-patel-suggests-lose-half-eu-work-rights-brexit/
We also need to lower standards if we are to accept American farm produce as part of an FTA etc
Workers rights, consumer rights and the environment
So what worker rights are you afraid we are going to loose completely?
So what worker rights are you afraid we are going to loose completely?
Specifically working time directive, & extending ft benefits to agency workers as Raab has said previously https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-brexit-eu-workers-rights-uk-talks-brexit-secretary-a8438706.html
And whatever Patel views as a burden, which according to her is half all the regs from the EU!
So what worker rights are you afraid we are going to loose completely?
Probably most of them over 10 years. And then when a party (i.e Labour) want to bring them all back there will be cries of "how can you do this to the hard working small business owners that are the backbone of our economy"
If you haven't seen this shit before or can't see it happening I am guessing you are in your 20's.