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I'm terrified now. This is going to be abrupt, nasty crash out cos BJ will somehow circumvent the anti-No Deal law.
The EU won't want yet another extension because there's **** all that the UK can or will do to change any deal. They're fed up to the back teeth with us.
He's engineered a No Deal crash out by default which will earn all his mates billions in hedge fund betting. And the rest of us are totally screwed. 🙁
As someone born in Germany, it’s lovely to see this kind of reasoned debate and positioning, as you can imagine…
The EU won’t want yet another extension because there’s **** all that the UK can or will do to change any deal. They’re fed up to the back teeth with us
I am not the EU's biggest fan but they are the masters of the extension. This could be extended by another 10 years and they will be fine about it.
I’m terrified now. This is going to be abrupt, nasty crash out cos BJ will somehow circumvent the anti-No Deal law.
How will they circumvent it though? What mechanism? I think No.10 must be rattled from whats beeing siad over the last few days..
Also...
An update from the Court of Session in Edinburgh, where campaigners are asking for a nobile officium to make sure the Benn Act is upheld.
Lord Carloway has concluded today’s proceedings and said a decision will be made at 11am on Wednesday.
is that leave.eu ad even real?
What mechanism?
****ery.
is that leave.eu ad even real?
Yes. I screen grabbed it from their twitter feed, as I didn’t want to share a link to the actual tweet, because it linked to the Daily Mail.
@Kelvin is that a genuine image/post of theirs?
whether you're a remainer or leaver, it's disgusting if it actually is real 🙁
Its been glaringly obvious from the day that Dom and Dommer sidled into number 10 that they were absolutely determined to crash us out - 'come what may' 'do or die'
They weren't bluffing
I've been dreading this. It was inevitable, as part of their slash and burn policy, but it's still utterly depressing, and terrifying in equal measure to see it being played out
I suspect that the next few weeks are going to get progressively worse and worse.
It's like being strapped to a madman!
whether you’re a remainer or leaver, it’s disgusting if it actually is real
Easy for you to go and check. Look at their twitter feed (if you want to be depressed). Unbelievable, isn’t. This is going to get so nasty.
I implore everyone posting here not to join in the ramping up of the rhetoric, no matter what you think we should do as regards Brexit.
Are we as a nation really that dim?
Some are. Possibly too many.
The evidence.
https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1181515644954714114?s=19
Delete the Mail link please Matt. There aren’t many rules for this forum, but that’s one.
Easy for you to go and check. Look at their twitter feed
I did go looking*, but their site is blocked at work, and hadn't got to twitter yet, but yes I've now found it, utterly shameful 🙁
*It would be helpful if people post sources when stuff like that is linked to.
This is going to get so nasty.
With open racism on display, it already is nasty.
On a point of order how does this work, crazyjenkins posts this.
Quite frankyly @exsee, you seem a bit of an Ar$ewipe.
A couple of posts later cougar posts this.
@exsee play the ball, not the man.
Have I missed something ??
Edit: posted just the quoted!
Unfortunately that is the way his posts are coming across. It stinks of “you lost get ver it” whether he is a leaver or not.
I believe in democracy, I believe that an issue that has been so dividing and corrosive as this should not be left to one referendum from 3yrs and no facts ago. To say that because remain “lost” it should be completely discounted I find reprehensible. The posts that have been written by this member are either trolling for shits’n’giggles or show a profound lack of empathy and critical thinking or one-up-manship
I think <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">No.10</span> must be rattled from whats beeing siad over the last few days..
What's happening today looks like No.10 see the only way out on the 31st is to behave in a way that makes us remaining another minute utterly intolerable to rest of Europe. At this point if I represented the EU I'd announce we were making plans to close all ports and airports to any traffic from the UK with immediate effect on the 1st November.
I'm beginning to see this Government not as trying to emulate Germany of the 1930's but of Cambodia in the 1970's. It's all return to year zero and the stone age.
their site is blocked at work
Ahh… a spark of hope in the darkness.
To be fair cougar, it's you and others who aren't showing empathy. The feeling that the referendum has been done and only the manner of have how we leave is to be decided is pretty widespread. Maybe not on here but in the country as a whole it is.
The country as a whole is teetering on the edge of an abyss of disaster, empathy has a time and a place but it's after we sort this crock out.
Maybe not on here but in the country as a whole it is.
*waves from Scotland*
is that leave.eu ad even real?
Yes. Leave.eu is properly mental but massivelu popular Brexit group on facebook.
Make sure you flag the post to facebook (derrogatory, national origin).
taxi25
AFAIK all polls indicating now that more people would prefer to remain and have done so fairly consistently since 2017.
Make sure you flag the post to facebook (derrogatory, national origin).
Done. But I had to look at their page to find it, what a bunch of utter bastards they are.
. The feeling that the referendum has been done and only the manner of have how we leave is to be decided is pretty widespread. Maybe not on here but in the country as a whole it is.
Nah that's not the feeling I get at all but like Bob I'm in Scotland. I'm not one for the hard done by nationalist tropes but it's difficult to dispute the fact that Scotland and Northern Ireland have been increasingly ignored since the referendum. And Gibraltar, remember them? 98% remain IIRC.
Half the UK electorate (the statistical difference is negligible) has been disenfranchised. We have been almost completely ignored and we are now expected empathise with leavers? I think you got your words confused there, what you meant to say was subjugate to.
As Johnson tries to stoke the divisions ever further to cover up his complete failure
outside the shouty minority of internet shit-stirrers does anyone care any more?
it seems to me that Cummings & Johnson need to keep the hate flowing or the enthusiam for brexit will peter out
theres actual issues in the country we need to deal with
The feeling that the referendum has been done and only the manner of have how we leave is to be decided is pretty widespread.
Probably true in 2017. Now, people have looked at what no deal means, and most aren’t keen. One PM came to an agreement with the EU, but it was universally derided by nearly all as worse than remaining. Another PM has puffed his chest out promising a great deal, only to be found to be either lying (again) or deluded. So what’s the path out? Go for No Deal? Ask yet another PM to try and square the circle with another attempt at a deal? This is probably going to another vote… but that vote has to include a “stop the Brexit boondoggle, we’re bored to tears of it, and fed up of paying for it” option.
Have I missed something ??
Only that I was replying to the latter and not the former. I believe that should apply equally to both sides, but that's just my opinion as a user not a demand as a moderator. I'd probably have deleted the 'arsewipe' post if the target had been sufficiently offended to report it, but that didn't happen (and if we deleted every petty jibe everyone would complain about censorship and overzealous modding, this thread would be half the size and I wouldn't have time to get any work done).
To be fair cougar, it’s you and others who aren’t showing empathy. The feeling that the referendum has been done and only the manner of have how we leave is to be decided is pretty widespread. Maybe not on here but in the country as a whole it is.
I'm well aware of widespread "feelings," it's what got us here in the first place. I believe that 'what they think' isn't particularly relevant not because of a lack of empathy but rather a lack of respect for a dogmatic belief in lies. If a grown adult were to believe in Father Christmas then they are welcome to that belief of course, but it wouldn't instil in me a mandate to dress up in a red suit and send them presents.
Leave won on feelings, on ideals, on fantasies, and they're still doing it. That poster up there is a prime example, it must sound fantastic to your average Daily Mail reader. It's got everything - plucky proud nation standing up to our enemies; invoking that good old blitz spirit; a barely concealed suggestion that Merkel is a Nazi; a healthy dose of xenophobia; the EU telling us what to do; and a complete absence of any basis in fact. About all it's missing is the world cup. And you expect us to respect that and empathise with that? Do me a quaver, tried empathy and they don't want to listen, and respect is earned.
Plus, y'know, it's hardly flowing the other way, is it. Zero shits about the other half of the country have been given in the last three years (or Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands...), the last leaver I tried to had to have a reasonable discussion with on Facebook told me to go and **** my mother inside of three posts.
I've tried empathy. It doesn't work.
I've tried discussion. It doesn't work.
I've tried arguing. It doesn't work.
I've tried facts. It doesn't work.
I've tried evidence. It doesn't work.
I've tried, to my shame and frustration, insults. It doesn't work.
Brexit is a cult. How do you de-programme cultists who have been fed propaganda from all directions for years? Short of employing the dirty tactics of Leave.EU I'm at a loss as to what else to try.
I’m at a loss as to what else to try.
Cakes?
Usually works on me.
Coke and hookers?
Usually works on me.
Cake and hookers?
Works for Binners and I.
Hake and cookers? I like a nice fish tea
Don't pretend to be hard to get binners, everyone knows your price is a steak bake.
A packet of Monster Munch will usually do the trick
So what would happen if parliament then voted for May's deal in a couple of weeks? Seeing as it was agreed to be put back forward due to the government not posting tellers?
I kinda wish Alex Johnson would propose a bill for a referendum of no deal vs remain and completely cut the Lab-Lib legs off cos I'm just as fed up with them and Amber bloody Rudd (Labour is worse than no deal, no it ****ing isn't, that's 5 years till the next election max. Brexit is forever).
Then he loses, genius.
Stolen from elsewhere:
In reply to a deranged Brexiter:
The only parallel between Brexit & victory in World War 2 is that both were delivered in large part thanks to the Russians.
made me chuckle!
I think you can like everyone else provided you have the skill sets they want.
CTA allows free movement.
You’ll find a lot of England based outfits moving to Ireland to take advantage of being easily able to transfer their workforce. It’s already started happening, I am constantly being asked by recruiters if I am willing to pack my bags to go to Dublin these days.
The UK is going to get ****ing railroaded by this.
the last leaver I tried to had to have a reasonable discussion with on Facebook told me to go and **** my mother inside of three posts
And there’s the rub. I would reckon 80%+ of the Leavers I have tried to engage with on Facebook have resorted to insults and abuse within three posts. Around a third have resulted in threats of violence. And that is before I’ve started to take the piss out of them. I have noticed that probably 25% of remainer posts are taking the piss and around 10% resort to insults, but never a threat of violence and generally just asking pertinent questions to which there really should be answer given the seriousness of Brexit.
Now, you can dress that up how you like, but everyone knows the reasons why this imbalance exists and persists. I could spell it out (again) but apparently that is now considered bad form for some reason.
I do try and engage reasonably with leave voters on social media & make an effort not to insult. But yeah I've regularly had threats of violence & abuse.
I would reckon 80%+ of the Leavers I have tried to engage with on Facebook have resorted to insults and abuse within three posts.
99.9(recurring) percent of my interactions have resulted in one of three things:
1) Refusal to engage in an actual discussion, ignoring anything I say in reply and instead changing the subject with non sequiturs in every successive post.
2) Personal attacks, insults and abuse.
3) Abrupt disappearance from the thread.
... in about that order of likelihood. I can count the number of times this hasn't happened on the fingers of one hand. STW is comparatively a bastion of reason and relative sanity from leavers compared to places like Facebook and Twitter.
1) Refusal to engage in an actual discussion, ignoring anything I say in reply and instead changing the subject with non sequiturs in every successive post.
2) Personal attacks, insults and abuse.
3) Abrupt disappearance from the thread.
Exactly my experience.
The instant I post an actual fact to debunk their nonsense, it's the usual claptrap of "it's happening, get over it", "we voted for no deal", "WTO now" and other platitudes
We're 3+ years down the line and I've yet to hear a single response from Brexiteers that's made me go "they're right about that". Absolute nonsense at every turn, especially when you try to engage in a proper discussion
The instant I post an actual fact to debunk their nonsense, it’s the usual claptrap of “it’s happening, get over it”, “we voted for no deal”, “WTO now” and other platitudes
You’ll get this as they have nothing else,It’s the FB poison all you get is the same repeated rhetoric.
I would reckon 80%+ of the Leavers I have tried to engage with on Facebook
And there’s the problem. Talk to them in real life, not on the internet. People are different on social media, it’s a mechanism for having a no-consequence argument. The vast majority of people are able to discuss things in real life and respectfully disagree. I bet if you went for a pint with them it would be a completely different conversation. In actual fact most people can’t be arsed talking about politics. I’ve been down the pub with a few from here who I argue with and it’s never been an issue. Christ I reckon I’d even manage it with Rayban.
How will they circumvent it though? What mechanism? I think No.10 must be rattled from whats beeing siad over the last few days.
What’s the point of giving us an extension when we won’t budge on the NI position?
I’m expecting Boris to do something that will get him back into the courts and he’ll arse about causing a delay so we drop out.
I bet if you went for a pint with them it would be a completely different conversation.
Unless it was a Wetherspoons.....