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What happened to the special relationship between the UK and the US?
The US has just added 25% on lots of products from the EU.
Lots of UK products included.
It never existed.
Americas relationship with Britain (and vice versa) has always been one of convenience - even during the war.
On the border in the event of “no deal”....
Yes, that what it looks like to me. We would be back to a hard border. That is quite unimaginable but seems to be being kept very quiet. It's like the Ireland/NI issue is being accepted as collateral damage to get Brexit
Johnson and his Brexiteer chums have always viewed Northern Ireland as an irritant that got in the way of their plans. If Theresa May hadn’t been in hock to the DUP she’d have thrown the Irish under the bus long ago to keep the ERG happy.
They presently don’t seem to care what happens to Ireland, north or south. A ‘price worth paying’
I know they couldn’t care less what happens ‘over there’ but they should do well to remember that the last time it dissolved into violence those pesky men in their balaclava’s didn’t confine their Semtex use to just Belfast and South Armagh.
During this whole debacle the dismissive attitude and wilful ignorance of the Brexiteers towards Ireland is what’s appalled me the most
Oh no mefty - I understood it perfectly and posted the relevant bits.
What hat article says is one specific allegation is over egged. However your own link shows that parts of this set of EU directives will come into place in 2020 and those parts of the directive will outlaw many of the tax evasion / avoidance schemes that many tories and their backers rely on to make money.
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Are these the tax avoidance schemes that were being promoted by May when she was trying to sell the idea of the UK becoming a tax haven?
It's becoming very apparent that Ireland have a lot of power right now
Counter to a lot of the patronising BS spun in the torygraph etc, the EU are deferring to Ireland, turns out 'little' Leo towers over Johnson physically and as a statesman!
There's some rather amusing irony there considering the history of the Tories in Ireland going back a long way.
mefty
Make sure you stockpile the tin foil hats!!
Hopefully you're not diabetic.... Start stockpiling the insulin!
It’s becoming very apparent that Ireland have a lot of power right now
The EU acts as a multiplier of sovereignty when dealing with outside entities… if we leave with No Deal then those who haven’t learnt that lesson yet, will soon enough… not just when dealing with Ireland, but also with the USA, China, WTO, ISO…
There’s some rather amusing irony there considering the history of the Tories in Ireland going back a long way.
@kimbers, you might not know but the word Tory is irish, it comes from the word tóraí, it means thief/brigand.... interpret that how you wish.
https://www.teanglann.ie/ga/fgb/t%C3%B3ra%C3%AD
The collaboration of just one of the 27 is all that’s needed for Johnson to get the no deal Brexit he wants.
No, the position we're in now is that we need only a majority. When/if we're out we will require unanimity. Part of why no deal is such a shit idea, because you're right back to trying to get agreement with them but there has been no pillow talk beforehand.
Oh that burns!
The collaboration of just one of the 27 is all that’s needed for Johnson to get the no deal Brexit he wants.
But would parliament just accept a no deal if Hungary vetoed an extension? Would they just revoke instead considering the damage that no deal would do.
If Theresa May hadn’t been in hock to the DUP she’d have thrown the Irish under the bus long ago to keep the ERG happy
I highly doubt it, as it pushes the case for Scottish independence massively if Northern Ireland remains a de facto EU state post brexit if the border was put in the Irish sea, which lets face it is the only solution to this whole mess apart from cancelling the whole thing.
This hard border proposal has moved the goalpost on weapons grade idiocy.
So some rich guys going to trash the UK, to get richer, at the expense of stoking actual civil war in Ireland, where the fragile peace was a long time coming and very hard won. Words fail.
During this whole debacle the dismissive attitude and wilful ignorance of the Brexiteers towards Ireland is what’s appalled me the most
Agreed, they are beyond contempt now.
I highly doubt it, as it pushes the case for Scottish independence massively if Northern Ireland remains a de facto EU state post brexit if the border was put in the Irish sea, which lets face it is the only solution to this whole mess apart from cancelling the whole thing.
My money is on Scottish independence being a near certainty if the not-so-united-kingdom does no deal.
Who knows. It might even lead to NI independence too.
Johnson and his Brexiteer chums have always viewed Northern Ireland as an irritant that got in the way of their plans. If Theresa May hadn’t been in hock to the DUP she’d have thrown the Irish under the bus long ago to keep the ERG happy.
They presently don’t seem to care what happens to Ireland, north or south. A ‘price worth paying’
I know they couldn’t care less what happens ‘over there’ but they should do well to remember that the last time it dissolved into violence those pesky men in their balaclava’s didn’t confine their Semtex use to just Belfast and South Armagh.
During this whole debacle the dismissive attitude and wilful ignorance of the Brexiteers towards Ireland is what’s appalled me the most
I'm pretty sure Boris, Rees-Mogg and chums don't give a flying what happens to anywhere.
Do you think the 2nd/3rd public actions by Boris were co-incidence? (First being some empty promise of Northern Powerhouse) ... 2nd and 3rd being Army/Police.
I'm fairly certain that it won't take long after he delivers no deal for the food and medicine to be rationed... industry to start laying off or short working weeks and he fully expects to call in his Praetorian guard on the mainland.
But would parliament just accept a no deal if Hungary vetoed an extension?
Hungary can't, they don't have a veto. Agreement at this point does not require unanimous decision.
Ideal outcome would be identical to the very end of Gladiator then.
No, the position we’re in now is that we need only a majority. When/if we’re out we will require unanimity. Part of why no deal is such a shit idea, because you’re right back to trying to get agreement with them but there has been no pillow talk beforehand.
Is that right? I thought all 27 had to agree to an extension?
Do you have any source /link?
If just a simple majority is required that makes a huge difference.
The EU acts as a multiplier of sovereignty when dealing with outside entities… if we leave with No Deal then those who haven’t learnt that lesson yet, will soon enough… not just when dealing with Ireland, but also with the USA, China, WTO, ISO…
It all comes down to rule number one, just on an international level.
Is that right? I thought all 27 had to agree to an extension?
IIRC, I think it’s simple majority to agree the Withdrawal Agreement, but European Parliament have to vote on it as well. Extension isn’t as clear cut… it’s a council decision, and, realistically, needs unanimity, although that isn’t a stated rule.
The actual trade deal is another story… that’ll end up back in the parliaments of many member states as well… and we’ve been busy pissing them all off. Comparing the EU to either Nazi germany or the USSR, and what they did, is deeply offensive to many on the continent. We’ve had a government minister doing that again this week. That trade deal after we have left is not going to be easy.
Interesting court case in Scotland - apparently scottish courts have the ability to force the UK government to do something which is not so in England. This has two benefits - the obvious one of forcing the UK government to obey the law and the funny one of scottish law pissing off the english nationalists 🙂
Another one of the few sane ones left has left the burning building
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1180029820920569863?s=21
There's no room for any semblance of One Nation Tories in what the Tories have become.
Meanwhile...
I would find it amusing to point out the rhetoric of these right wing toadies for years has been about fighting for what is right evoking wartime patriotism and battle spirit to sell their right wing ideology.
But just like the republicans in the US, when that rhetoric gets ramped up even further than they are willing to go, they don't fight for what is right at all, they just wave the white flag and slink off into the darkness.
I would find it amusing were it not for what comes after the cowards abandon ship is looking very scary.
Was that aimed at Stewart @MSP? Because, even though I disagree with him on most things, not least as regards Brexit, he has openly fought for what his party should stand for, he has not quietly hidden away on the backbenches, nor could you accurately describe the way he has been acting as to “slink off into the darkness”. He has challenged the shift in his party, and politics in general, away from considered debate and into pure rhetoric. I think he has done so more openly and clearly than many (most?) politicians who are more aligned with my own politics, as it happens.
A dark thought, how long after “no deal” will the first IRA, INLA Real IRA etc etc attack come? It seems inevitable if any part of the GFA is contravened.
Brexit: Police chief rules out PSNI staffing Border checkpoints
It's the Tories. They'll outsource it.
What happened to the special relationship between the UK and the US?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wto-aircraft-brexit-analysis-idUSKBN1WI26G
"It throws up enormous uncertainty. With that realignment of allegiances going on, it is surprising that something as uniquely geographical as Scotch whisky is targeted by the Americans," said Edward Odim, managing director of Aceo Ltd, an independent Scotch whisky supplier.
"It is quite clear that Britain's position in the world is highly ambiguous at the moment. If we are going to be out of Europe, what is the purpose of it?" he said, adding the 25% tariffs would "really hurt."
It’s the Tories. They’ll outsource it.
Hopefully with a load of daily mail reading gammons.
A dark thought, how long after “no deal” will the first IRA, INLA Real IRA etc etc attack come? It seems inevitable if any part of the GFA is contravened.
They won't need to.There are bigger sticks to beat the UK with.
As Bonnie Greer pointed out on last night's Question Time, huge chunks of America identify as "Irish"
I wouldn't expect any favourable trade deals from the good ol' US of A after Boris throws the Irish under the lie-emblazoned bus.
The re have been statements from various american politicians that they will block any trade deal if the UK breaches the GFA.
This kind of sums up the Daily Mail, Brexit & the current situation of hate that the PM is stirring up.
https://twitter.com/BestoftheMail/status/1180058069599948800
You know, I think it's just conceivable that Joris doesn't have the first clue what he is doing.
If you read the GFA I think you'll find that several points have not been respected. I've pointed this out before, when the Government got into bed with the DUP and provided finance to them they broke this part of the agreement:
(v) affirm that whatever choice is freely exercised by a majority of the people of Northern Ireland, the power of the sovereign government with jurisdiction there shall be exercised with rigorous impartiality on behalf of all the people in the diversity of their identities and traditions and shall be founded on the principles of full respect for, and equality of, civil, political, social and cultural rights, of freedom from discrimination for all citizens, and of parity of esteem and of just and equal treatment for the identity, ethos and aspirations of both communities;
The UK government loses the first part of the case in the scottish courts where they tried to delay it so any judgement would be impossible to enforce.
Its an odd concept the "nobile officium" that only exists in Scottish law - in that an interdict ( an injunction in English law) allows the courts to force an action on behalf of the crown. this means that if the interdict is grant and Johnson refuses to send the letter in good faith ( so either refuses to ask for the extension or tries to weasel out of it in other ways ) then a court official can do so and it has the effect of coming from the queen ( by my understanding)
No one is above Scots law.
So - Johnson agrees he will ask for A50 extension if a deal cannot get through parliament by 19th. Surely that hugely plays into opposition hands, because now all they have to do is not vote for his deal and he's a goner?
His lawyers says that - not him. Subtle difference
"Government documents submitted to Scotland’s highest civil court today state that the prime minister will seek a Brexit extension from the EU if no withdrawal deal is reached by 19 October.
Boris Johnson said he would rather be “dead in a ditch” than seek a further delay, and the revelation in court appears to be in direct contradiction of that statement and throws the question of whether the UK will leave the bloc on 31 October into fresh doubt."
The UK government loses the first part of the case in the scottish courts where they tried to delay it so any judgement would be impossible to enforce.
Will this new case be known as the "Cherry on the top" case?
So he's not going to die in a ditch then?
I guess the statement served its purpose at the time but was never ever meant to be fulfilled. Much like pretty much every other Brexit promise before and since the referendum.
So he’s not going to die in a ditch then?
Not likely.
I've put ten quid on "swinging from a lamppost"