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The Prime MinisterDominic Cummings?
I thought it was Aaron Banks rather than Dominic "Short" Cummings? He was one of the founders and major bankrolls for it at any rate.
Boris just have a speech in New York where he described the importance of a free trade deal and how it helps grow economies.
Does he need reminding that he is leading is out of the world's biggest free trade deal by leaving EU?
He's in the US flogging the NHS to them. He's talking about what an opportunity it presents for US trade.
🤣🤣
So the libdems have had their conference, labour have mostly had theirs… when is the tory one? Have they managed to do themselves out of a conference while letting everyone else have theirs? The chance of parliament voting for a recess now is, let’s be honest, slightly lower than zero…
Interesting. There's still one conference to go, there will be a new session both of which typically involve prorogue-ing parliament. ...be funny if their first act is to prorogue.
I know it won't be...
What are the odds on a temporary coalition govt tomorrow?
Zero, if they wanted that it could have happened already. I have a fear it's going to be a massive anti-climax. One thing *has* changed, the lib dems are remain now. So they no longer have any incentive to keep Boris in power, they need an election before Brexit or their USP has gone. Maybe somehow we'll get an election.
There’s still one conference to go, there will be a new session both of which typically involve prorogue-ing parliament
Conferences are done by parliament voting for a recess, not prorogation by the government. Recess doesn't stop all the other things happening in parliament or kill off any bills in progress.
Conferences are done by parliament voting for a recess, not prorogation by the government. Recess doesn’t stop all the other things happening in parliament or kill off any bills in progress.
Yup, I should have said recess in relation to the first one. I didn't know and it's too late to edit.
The (whimsical) jokes still holds. It's would be funny if Parliment met and said "Hang on, we need to be at conferences and then there's the new session, we need to **** off home." I know they won't.
It is infuriating, possibly irretrievable, and (ironically) in itself the actual biggest threat to a functioning democracy.
👆This.
You lost, get over it
Hope gammons hear that plenty more times
The Procedures / rules have triumphed over the Referendum result / the people’s will. 😄
The logic (procedures) does not stack up to the end goal (Referendum
Chewkw, you do realise don’t you - that all the shittest Asian ex colonies are Spanish or Portuguese - where there is little rule of law and corruption is endemic because their colonists were as well. Where as the British and parliamentary concept of the rule of law is partly why places like Singapore are light years ahead of them.
You and every other gammon in this country should be celebrating this as this is historically what had once set us apart from the Southern European democracies.
Precisely. Yes, rules are rules.
But that is also exactly where the problem is.
I disagree, the problem was not actually having rules about a referendum in the first place.
the rules were then broken as to funding...
This is what dogs a new referendum....at the time it was Leave/Remain/Leave with the amazing deal
Plenty of people who voted remain did so because they never believed the deal would be anything like we had already... very few (I know of) said at the time they were voting for a no-deal (though at the time that was my 2nd option after remain)
Even if we have a Leave/Remain/Accept a deal its pre-poisioned by whoever gets the deal.... even amongst the FIRM leavers ... if Boris by some miracle gets a fantastic deal it will be Boris's deal... Corbyn's deal... May's deal with/without something.
Our own lack of rules on having a referendum on what turns out to be impossible to deliver was the start of this.
You lost, get over it
Hope gammons hear that plenty more times
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Plenty of people who voted remain did so because they never believed the deal would be anything like we had already… very few (I know of) said at the time they were voting for a no-deal (though at the time that was my 2nd option after remain)
My father who kept badgering me for years about "the people's vote", voted UKIP, and always whined about the EU whether anyone was listening or not, said a no-deal brexit would never happen when he heard my step-brother (who also voted leave) was worrying about his business with a no-deal brexit. In fact he's now changed his tune and said we need to remain and get more Farage-like MEPs.
Chewkw, you do realise don’t you – that all the shittest Asian ex colonies are Spanish or Portuguese – where there is little rule of law and corruption is endemic because their colonists were as well. Where as the British and parliamentary concept of the rule of law is partly why places like Singapore are light years ahead of them.
Good observation there. Me think apart from the British and Dutch (brutal) who were good at admin, the rest were just there as "cowboys". Yes, rules of law all that ... won't go into that now.
Yes, Singapore might be light years ahead but they don't have land and the people are stressed.
You and every other gammon in this country should be celebrating this as this is historically what had once set us apart from the Southern European democracies.
There are now in EU and they are more of them. 😀
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Leave means leave
Well how else are we going to break free?
Well how else are we going to break free?
I can't believe she stopped him then. He was having such a good time...
He’s just a poor boy...
Kier Starmer on whether labour will vote for a recess for the tory conference: "no, why on earth would we?"
Aaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
My father who kept badgering me for years about “the people’s vote”, voted UKIP, and always whined about the EU whether anyone was listening or not, said a no-deal brexit would never happen when he heard my step-brother (who also voted leave) was worrying about his business with a no-deal brexit. In fact he’s now changed his tune and said we need to remain and get more Farage-like MEPs.
Fair enough.... most of the ones I know are claiming they were voting for a no-deal all along ... including the ones saying "a no deal will never happen" however I think the real point is very few people voted for a no-deal Brexit and because we didn't ASK ... it's now "the will of the people"
Had to laugh at Cougar's post of the tweet... because the same people telling me 2 weeks ago that prorogation had nothing to do with Brexit are up in arms at the Supreme court's ruling and how it is to stop Brexit.
The whole thing is surreal.... because a lot of them aren't totally thick... AND I believe a lot of them actually believe this DESPITE when it's pointed out what they said.
It's like a whole portion of the country suddenly developed the same self delusional relationship to truth as Boris...
"You wrote/said this at the time"
"No I didn't"
"This is a screenshot"
"I didn't mean that/you photoshoped it/someone hacked my account/aliens stole my homework"
Does anyone think this has changed anyone's mind?
I mean was there a large cohort of reluctant leavers who today now think the BoJo has went too far and they would now back remain?
Or is everyone pretty much of the same position as the were yesterday?
Where as the British and parliamentary concept of the rule of law is partly why places like Singapore are light years ahead of them.
cough cough Afghanistan cough Zimbabwe cough Bahrain cough Brunei cough Egypt cough Iraq cough Kuwait cough Libya cough Myanmar cough United States (joke) (or is it)
Or is everyone pretty much of the same position as the were yesterday?
Pretty sure the Queen is going to vote LibDem now.
Or is everyone pretty much of the same position as the were yesterday?
Pretty much the same from day one for me.
cough cough Afghanistan cough Zimbabwe cough Bahrain cough Brunei cough Egypt cough Iraq cough Kuwait cough Libya cough Myanmar cough United States (joke) (or is it)
Most of those aren't Asian though.
Pretty much the same from day one for me.
Except Boris must ask for an extension if he can't get a deal through Parly, and Parly have explicitly ruled out 'no deal'.
So in reality we'll have an extension until March, or BloJO will be held in contempt over prorouging Parlyand unseated, parhaps via a VONC or a GE.
Theres also another a contempt hearing waiting in the wings on another subject - failure to release the full Yellohammer documents. remeber that? seems like years ago now...
We're gonna need a bigger flow chart!
Does anyone think this has changed anyone’s mind
Visited my folks yesterday, both leavers, they had a copy of the lib dems paper on their table.
I went full gammon about the WTO. My dad doesn't like the WTO now.
My mum will still vote for dumbojo as she is still a **** wit.
biggest threat to a functioning democracy
Forcing a damaging Brexit on the UK, by bypassing Parliament, at a time when the majority of people in the UK don’t want Brexit to happen, all because of a vote three years ago that millions of adults in the UK were not able to take part in… that’s the biggest threat to a functioning democracy.
So in reality we’ll have an extension until March
If the EU can be bothered
In fact he’s now changed his tune and said we need to remain and get more Farage-like MEPs.
Lazy arseholes who cant be arsed turning up to the parliament longer than it takes to claim expenses or give some speech for youtube? Someone who claims to be standing up for fishermen and yet barely bothered attending the fisheries committee.
Wanting to leave makes more sense than that.
Except Boris must ask for an extension if he can’t get a deal through Parly, and Parly have explicitly ruled out ‘no deal’.
He will not get it through Parliament because JC has already got a whiff of the power. It will be silly for JC not to go through with his plan to become the "interim" PM. Once JC is in power he will prolong as long as possible for the next GE. The question is whether Boris will go and this all depends on his mood.
More entertainment to come ... 😀
What I love about today is the leader of the highest court in the land has delivered a verdict about out most senior politician's conduct in relation to both the parliament and the head of the state and church, in front of the world's press, whilst wearing a massive golden tarantula.
while wearing a massive golden tarantula.
Hail Hydra!
frikkin fantastic
Looks like Geoffrey Cox will be the scapegoat as detailed in the “leaked” document
If the EU can be bothered
It's in their interests to keep giving us rope. If we just keep floundering around it makes us look weak and unstable, and as a future competitor that makes the EU look great for future investment. Or, if we eventually revoke or hold a 2nd ref, we end up remaining and that's also good both practically and in terms of image.
There's no angle from which the EU can be considered to lose here, that I can see.
I went full gammon about the WTO.
I'm unsure what this means.
Did you wave a Daily Hail around whist shouting loudly about how the WTO is actually democracy, a dictator and also a bus made out of cardboard at the same time?
I’m unsure what this means.
Ranting (rightfully) about unelected foreign bureaucrats in Geneva forcing us Brits to apply tariffs to our goods even if we don't want them.
Then mentioning that there were no Swiss pilots in the battle of britain etc.
Chewkw, you do realise don’t you...
The killfile. It’s a remarkably effective means of removing nonsensical posts from your forum feed.
There’s no point in engagement, you’ll be dragged into spiralling absurdity and selective poor grammar.
Anyway, back to the subject in hand.
Anyone else notice just *how much* language has changed in three years? No one even bothers to dress up Brexit anymore, people have been told that they want it, without any understanding of what it entails. I’m regularly lectured about “Parliamentary Sovereignty” on Twitter by people who have no idea what that means.
Our own lack of rules on having a referendum on what turns out to be impossible to deliver was the start of this.
That's not right. We have plenty of rules on having a referendum, it's actually very well documented. The problem is that a certain group of people have sought to rewrite / ignore these rules post-referendum depending on whether it suits their agenda or not. They're quite happy for it to be viewed as advisory when it's being scrutinised in court, yet it's the will of the people and absolutely must be obeyed otherwise it's the death of democracy at most other times. Shrodinger's Referendum.
I’m regularly lectured about “Parliamentary Sovereignty” on Twitter by people who have no idea what that means.
They should be overjoyed with today's result, then.
So Johnson is still not ruling out another suspension, which might actually be the plan, since he's referring to 31st October being the legal default leave date.
Can he do that without going to the Queen? I suspect she may take a dim view of being asked again....