was he a politico or just a man on the street?
I just spoke to someone who said that while they voted leave, they don't want any of Farage, Gove or BoJo near the negotiations.
So who do they want?
"I don't know, i hadn't thought that far ahead"
What, like the immediate aftermath of your vote is 'that far ahead'
Another head smashing into desk happening here.
My only hope is that we've never won a major football tournament since we've been in the EU.
😆Is their a petition for mandatory euthanasia yet? The Logan Reform?
Apparently those under 50 voted quite strongly to remain. And younger more strongly.
Given those currently over 50 will naturally become a smaller proportion of the population over time, the question arises - is this age related or generation related?
If the former then as people age they will become more anti-Europe and the overall percentage for-against remains the same.
But if it's generational, then I predict more problems ahead as the pro-Europe constituency grows.
Boris is hugely popular in the Tory party
He's not popular in London right now. I think he would be lynched if most of the population of central London had their way. After being their (very popular) mayor for so long they all feel quite let down.
Oh I saw that Guy too, he really took the biscuit - honestly if you didn't see it, there's been no embelishment above - he genuniuely said "I'm in disbielf really, I voted Leave, but I didn't think it would happen, now it has and David Cameron has resigned and I'm really worried".There are no words.
Saw that too. I think there is a lot of people who just wanted to "make a point" or didn't realise what leaving actually means who are now realising they have made a horrible mistake.
If 16M people demand it can we force another referendum in 6 months? We might get a lot of people realising they made a mistake. If not then we can say the country has definitely decided.
This is one area I find puzzling, if the farmers allegedly get so much cash from the EU, how come the bulk of them were overwhelming OUT?
The assumption that the UK government will match the CAP subsidy levels to protect such an important industry.
You know, like they do with steel and coal.
Just saw this in The Guardian - I want to believe... :/
“The closeness of the result should encourage EU leaders to think pragmatically, arriving at a solution where Britain is out of the political union, but retains the ties that are of mutual benefit; and creates a two speed Europe for those wanting to stay out of the Eurozone and its inevitable move towards closer political union. As has been said many times, the Germans have no appetite to exclude us from the single market – only yesterday its industry chief, Markus Kerber, noted the foolishness of imposing trade barriers.”
m assuming the STW demographic is from the South East and Scotland
STW poll was 80/20 Remain and nowhere in the country was that supportive of IN. Even Scotland was "only" 60/40.
EU is now cr@pping itself as it knows the whole project is at risk. They are talking tough - no favours etc - in order to send a signal to other waverers.
Where are Boris and Farage to calm down the markets? Still Trump thinks it's a good thing. I wonder what Putin and "our Glorious Leader" thinks?
I bet IS are loving this. Political instability, and billions been wiped off the markets, and the west slowly creeps to the right. There's a good novel in there somewhere.
You know, like they do with steel and coal.
Farming and fisheries are important UK industries we must strengthen and rebuild. Coal is dead everywhere in Europe and rightly so. Steel is more cheaply produced by countires who focus on coal (and stuff the environment) so its hard to justify the costs of supporting it
jambalaya - Member
Im assuming the STW demographic is from the South East and Scotland
STW poll was 80/20 Remain and nowhere in the country was that supportive of IN. Even Scotland was "only" 60/40.
more of an education and age bias?
I wonder what Putin thinks
my cousin is a teacher in Russia, he reckons the politicians are falling over themselves to mock cameron and the EU
theres already talk of the oligarchs eyeing up London property on the back of a weak pound
Interesting point about referendums here:
[url= http://jackofkent.com/2016/06/the-problems-with-referendums-in-general-and-the-brexit-one-in-particular/ ]The problems with referendums[/url]
I voted out and I'm over the moon today - Hard cheese on all you remainers but you lost fair and square.
I hate your doom mongering, we can't survive without the EU what will we do, oh vote for the children's future - Nonsense.
We'll be fine, probably a few bumps in the road for a bit but you guys need to have a bit more faith in the people around you, the UK is a great nation not some limping backwater that needs an EU crutch. Try and be more positive, the EEC was a good idea, the united states of Europe not so much, it's that simple.
Should have let the 16-18's vote.
Apparently those under 50 voted quite strongly to remain. And younger more strongly.
I think people's votes should be in proportion to their life expectancy, to reflect the extent to which they will be affected by choices that are made. So a female at the age of 18, gets one vote.
A male 70 year old smoker gets 1/100th of a vote.
The problem is that I know some of the people around me. I've had to deal with a number of politicians across different parties and there isn't one I would wish to have negotiating anything on my behalf. I can only hope that the civil servants who will be doing the bulk of the work are leagues ahead of their political masters.We'll be fine, probably a few bumps in the road for a bit but you guys need to have a bit more faith in the people around you
not some limping backwater that needs a crutch
London doesn't need a crutch. No so rosy for the rest tho eh?
Maybe rejig the country's finances without the Brent crude an see how "great" we are?
I can only hope that the civil servants who will be doing the bulk of the work are leagues ahead of their political masters.
The stories I hear from civil servants that do a lot of negotiating is they are hopelessly outnumbered and under resourced when making deals, as we have cut and cut the civil service to the point they can't work effectively.
To quote Talking Heads (I might as well, it seems that the country will listen to idiots, so a cool pop group will do as well):
And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may say to yourself
My God!...What have I done?!
I voted out and I'm over the moon today - Hard cheese on all you remainers but you lost fair and square.
As I said elsewhere, I will likely be perfectly fine, thanks. The burden will fall on the white working class, but right now I'm feeling it hard to muster much sympathy for them. They misidentified the source of their problems and voted for Farage - made their bed, now lie in it.
joolsburger
We'll be fine
Please answer me this simple question:
How does being outside of the EU result in a higher GDP for the UK?
The people have spoken. Very sad but it is what it is.
Certainly convinced me even more to move back to France.
Please answer me this simple question:How does being outside of the EU result in a higher GDP for the UK?
It doesn't, but if we get rid of those pesky foreigners there will be less people to share it across, eh?
Yes yes talk us all down, the rest of the country is awful when it patently isn't. There is plenty of wealth outside London and yes there are significant issues to be addressed in some areas but taken in the round the UK is an excellent place to be and it pisses me off when we are told it's not. Why do people do this, the UK is one of the best places in the world or do you disagree?
Our country needs to regain some of the confidence it has lost largely driven by the doomsayers and negative vibe merchants who love complaining usually from their warm, well fed, cosy homes on their macbook pros using a 100gb broadband connection. Literally millions of people want to live here and of course if you don't you're free to leave.
If
the UK is one of the best places in the world or do you disagree?
why did you want to go and **** it up in the first place 🙄
DrJ - Memberthe white working class.........They misidentified the source of their problems and voted for Farage
If that's the case why did UKIP only get 1 MP in the general election last year? Have the problems only arisen in the last 13 months?
Talk about "misidentified the source of their problems", try to think DrJ.
And some on here claim that the working-class are stupid......... goodness me.
UK is an excellent place to be and it pisses me off when we are told it's not. Why do people do this, the UK is one of the best places in the world or do you disagree?
Was.
I think such a decision would be even more destructive and make a mockery of the democratic process. Would you have felt the same way if vote remain had won the campaign fairly and squarely?If 16M people demand it can we force another referendum in 6 months? We might get a lot of people realising they made a mistake. If not then we can say the country has definitely decided.
why did you want to go and * it up in the first place
Do you really think it is *** up, I don't to be honest, could it be better, yes it could but it's not crap here really is it, if you think it is I'd love to know how you justify that statement?
We will get by, we will adapt and we will prosper. The only difference (at the moment) is that we have made that more challenging, in fact much more challenging in the immediate future.
But who knows, that might not be a bad thing. Its no good lamenting the fact that people may or may not have made important decisions based on bllx etc. You have to deal with the future and one way to ensure that bllx doesn't win is to ensure that those who serve us remember that, and that they do not become to isolated from those they serve. The fact that we see a rise of a collection of (****s, you fill in the blanks) in power all around the world is merely a reflection of this - at the end of the day, we get what we deserve.
Ok perhaps we dont deserve Bojo but if we dont learn the lessons of history, then we only have ourselves to blame.
Literally millions of people want to live here....
I am glad that 24 hours too late this is finally perceived as a [b]good thing[/b]. Shame that it took all this for it to sink in!! 😉
@jools yes well said
Do you really think it is ****** up, I don't to be honest, could it be better, tyes it could but it's not crap here really is it?.
it's worse than it was yesterday.
If that's the case why did UKIP only get 1 MP in the general election last year? Have the problems only arisen in the last 13 months?
a) FPTP
b) tribalist voting
HTH
teamhurtmorebut if we dont learn the lessons of history, then we only have ourselves to blame.
the ONLY thing we have learn't from the lessons of history is that as a species we NEVER learn the lessons from History.......... 🙄
if you think it is I'd love to know how you justify that statement?
that was my point we were the 5th largest economy in the world yesterday, life was infact rather good
the referendum has cost us millions, spewed out a whole load of hate and lies and we are now entering 2 years of financial uncertainty
I don't think Europe likes us any more. 🙁
"European parliament president Martin Schulz, president of the European Council Donald Tusk, European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker and Dutch PM Mark Rutte also went into emergency talks. They released a statement saying they regretted but respected the British decision and insisted the "Union of 27 member states will continue".
They called for the UK to leave "as soon as possible, however painful that process may be. Any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty".
They added that the deal agreed with Mr Cameron in February to protect London's financial markets, curb immigration and opt out of closer union "ceases to exist" and "there will be no renegotiation"
German MEP Manfred Weber, from the party of Chancellor Angela Merkel, insisted on a tough line for the UK: "There cannot be any special treatment for the United Kingdom. Leave means leave. The times of cherry-picking are over.""
joolsburger - Member
Yes yes talk us all down, the rest of the country
That would be England and Wales. After Ulster has a border vote and joins the Republic, also Scotland seceding after their next referendum.
Littler Britain it is, then...
How does being outside of the EU result in a higher GDP for the UK
Free from uneccessary regulations, able to manage our economy based on our priorities, able to focus more closely on global business links free from the shackles and vested interests of the EU, free to take the very best people no matter where in the wod they come from
I don't think Europe likes us any more.
Europe like us fine, they just won't put up with us pissing in the bed anymore.
Can't we just create our own rules for our financial markets now? Sort of become a Hong Kong of Europe.
Sturgeon says she has talked to London Mayor Sadiq Khan who shares her views about London’s place in the EU.
london & Scotland to secceed from the UK?
Nothing surprising in the reaction of the Europeans.
I bet John Cryan (British CEO of Deutsche Bank) was feeling a little awkward this morning as Germany's biggest bank saw 13% of its share price.
Guten morgan John, danke sehr, sie ***************************!!!
Free from uneccessary regulations, able to manage our economy based on our priorities, able to focus more closely on global business links free from the shackles and vested interests of the EU, free to take the very best people no matter where in the wod they come from
So just jingoist cliches again, no real plan. I don't think we will be able to sell them on the open market.
sturgeon interesting, scotland and london teaming up? 😆
