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May’s deal is dead, the only choice now, assuming we don’t have a general election in the interim, is no deal or revoke.
Yes, there will be GE next year I hope.
That’s not Liberal demacrat policy, that’s just Vincent responding to what might happen in possible scenarios given his party aren’t in government.
Okay, that's fine as I was just trying confirm what been said because of all those different youtbue clips posted.
p/s: that's the first EVER youtbue clip I watched between Farage and Cable debate as ... 😅 A first for me.
No deal is not a choice. It’s what happens if we run out of choices.
Actually, let me elaborate on this "no deal" myth with a little example.
Currently, we are allowed to fly our planes in other countries' airspace by dint of being party to the Open Skies agreement. We have this in place via the EU as a member country. If we "just leave" without a deal, we lose this membership. Ergo, all non-domestic flights would be grounded with immediate effect.
Now, one could argue that this won't happen ("I'm sure it'll all be OK" and all that) and in all honesty it is probably a highly unlikely scenario, we'd surely negotiate some sort of agreements with other countries to replace it. But another word for "agreement" is... wait, I had it a minute ago... four letters, begins with a D...?
No deal = no planes. Planes = some form of deal.
You can't have "no deal apart from the bits we do want to keep" because that's simply a nonsense, it then becomes a deal by definition. And no amount of (excuse me) flights of fancy and wishful thinking changes this, the gammons can cry "they wouldn't let that happen to us" but this is International law and it is very much exactly what will happen regardless of how nice we hope anyone else might want to be towards us or any other form of Unicorn Thinking.
And that's just one facet of this divorce off the top of my head, there's hundreds if not thousands more.
Lots of people think they want "no deal" but very very few of them really, actually do, they simply don't (and won't) have the faintest grasp of what "no deal" would actually entail. They think it'll just hit the big red reset button and we'll wake up in the sunny uplands of 1974, but this couldn't be further from reality.
As I said,
Anyone who tells you any different is either lying or a buffoon.
Or both
Well, I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. (-:
OK, bear with me one second,
We go no deal and what happens on day one? Do we try and get a deal with the EU or is the intention to never trade with the EU again?
If the latter we screwed, the former, well the deal is there on the table anyone really think the deal will be different, tomorrow or next year?
The only change that can alter the deal is Irish reunification.
Well this is the thing.. No deal really means the break up of the UK.
Scottish independence will be next.
Is this really the rabbit hole we want to go into? This is ultimately what brexit means. It's not a British exit. Just an English one.
What is the point? I mean, what is the friggin’ point? The vote will be the same whenever she brings it back, so what is gained by delaying, except that she stays in her job a bit longer?
its the sense of duty is my guess. the maybot understands "no deal" would be an utter disaster and her successor will likely take the country down that road. She knows that there is no better deal available that is at all acceptable brexshitters and / or that the EU will stomach. So stuck she has to plough on - in her mind at least.
Having said that I think she only has days left
the deal is there on the table anyone really think the deal will be different, tomorrow or next year?
I do.
It won't be anywhere near as good as May's proposed deal, and that in itself is already worse than the deal we currently have.
If only there was some other way...
You only think she’s got days left? I doubt it. Her only ability is self-preservation. And in case you haven’t noticed, she’s bloody good at it. She’s been written off for 12 months now. She’ll have to be dragged out of Downing Street, kicking and screaming.
She’s seen off every attempt to get rid of her. And officially they can’t get rid of her until December.
I’m quite enjoying how much she’s pissing all the lunatics off 😂
They might actually have to abduct her
Just been to vote (lib Dems) and was pleased so many younger people were there, I was expecting loads of old farage supporters. My 18 yr old son said most of his mates have voted as well.
Passed the polling station on the East side of Derwent reservoir this afternoon. Wonder how many people use that one.
May’s deal is dead, the only choice now, assuming we don’t have a general election in the interim, is no deal or revoke.
Yup. A fourth reading would be farcical. A GE is unlikely, given that the Conservatives would almost certainly lose.
That’s not Liberal demacrat policy, that’s just Vincent responding to what might happen in possible scenarios given his party aren’t in government.
Non-sequitur indeed. PJM totally called you on that one
There is a clear pattern to the poster in question’s behaviour. No-one who pays the slightest bit of attention to the manifesto could make such a preposterous assertion, forcing me to conclude that it’s done on purpose.
I’m quite enjoying how much she’s pissing all the lunatics off 😂
They might actually have to abduct her
🙂
The Brexit fiasco has really shown up the damage that has been done to democracy by media control being in the hands of a few large, and mainly foreign, operators.
Nail on on the head. So the solution is to regulate the media and break the vice like grip that a few billionaires have on it, rather than disenfranchising the people who are adversely influenced by it.
Now remind me, which parties have campaigned for exactly that and taken a stand against this malign influence?
We've voted.
The Brexit fiasco has really shown up the damage that has been done to democracy by media control being in the hands of a few large, and mainly foreign, operators.
Nail on on the head. So the solution is to regulate the media and break the vice like grip that a few billionaires have on it, rather than disenfranchising the people who are adversely influenced by it.
It's not just TV and newspaper's biased reporting that's to blame. There's a huge influence from the internet with Facebook constantly feeding users more of the same with their algorithms in the effort to try and keep people on the site/app and websites like this where we generally congregate with people of a similar mind. I've just been over to Pistonheads and that's like the polar opposite of this place but very similar in that one side has been crowded out by other. I hardly ever use the forum over there and now I know why, it's not a particularly nice place. Go figure.
It's very easy when you're surrounded by people all saying the same thing to get caught up in it and these online communities either organic or artificial are polarizing and radicalizing the country in ways that the World's religions can only dream of.
scotroutes
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Buffoons can also be liars
Is it me, or has BoJo's taste in tie colour changed a lot recently. I thought he chose a lot more of the darker, plainer colours in past times.
David Mellor just been interviewed on BBC breakfast.
He announced he voted for Brexit "to be a nuisance" but now it was obvious that the brexiteers were lying.
Genuinely lost for words. These people deserve to rot in jail.
The self-serving mop has clearly had a new team on board for a while who are media coaching him
The main thing that they seem to have said to him is 'stop talking'
Looks like we're set for no deal now that once again the country is at the mercy of the Tory parties internal squabbles.
It looks like we're going to end up with a rabid brexiteer as PM, playing to a gallery of racist, blue-rinse old giffers, who are going to march the countries economy off a cliff to satisfy their small-minded, xenophobic, backward-gazing nationalism of less than 100,000 lunatics
Radio 4 has just come up with a great description of the leadership election: "its like Game of Thrones reimagined as the Benny Hill Show"
Whereas my prediction is that there is never going to be a no deal although I agree that the country will certainly go the wrong way for 10 years (another 10 years) until people wake up.
And in case you haven’t noticed, she’s bloody good at it. She’s been written off for 36 months now. She’ll have to be dragged out of Downing Street, kicking and screaming.
She’s seen off every attempt to get rid of her. And officially they can’t get rid of her until December.
I’m quite enjoying how much she’s pissing all the lunatics off 😂
They might actually have to abduct her
🥳🥳🥳👋
That’s almost what I was going to post, however I did change one teeny point..
Oh, and she also likes to travel to that there Europe and spend all our hard earned taxpayers money on 7* hotels and 44page expenses claim forms..
Lets not forget that the Tory’s are all technically fraudulent liars... why only the other week another Tory MP got sent to prison for fraudulent expenses claims...
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Well I voted last night, as did my Wife, got into work this morning and casually asked my colleagues if they had voted, depressing replies:
person 1 - early 30s: "nah, they're all a bunch of 'see you next tuesdays' so what's the point
person 2 - late 50s: "no, we're leaving so no point" (he voted leave 'to shake things up' in the ref)
person 3 - mid 30s: "yes of course!" (didn't say which way but I think he'll have gone Lib Dem)
person 4 - mid 30s: "nope, euros so no point"
person 5 - early 30s: "yup, for Farage!" (I think he meant he voted for the Brexit party, not Farage directly, but I'm not sure he knows the difference)
So from my tiny sample of youngish to middle-aged IT guys from Devon, voter apathy wins above everything else 🙁
BoJo being prime minister has got a sense of absolute inevitability now.
I was going to suggest it feels a bit like standing on the Titanic knowing there is no way you can avoid the iceberg you are now approaching, whether you steer away or not.
But actually its more like banging on a locked cockpit door, screaming as the pilot flies us into a mountain
My team at work due to the nature of our work is comprised of 16 different nationalities from Europe, there was a lot of annoyed people this morning as the French, German and Polish girls i spoke to were all refused a vote at the polling stations, despite having been resident here for a long time.
The German girl was rudely told perhaps she had time to get a flight home to vote there where she should, she has lived here 9 years and paid tax here every day she's been here and has an English husband!
Scud, if that was by the electoral officials, she should complain. Loudly and much. That's disgraceful.
And in case you haven’t noticed, she’s bloody good at it. She’s been written off for 36 months now. She’ll have to be dragged out of Downing Street, kicking and screaming.
She’s seen off every attempt to get rid of her. And officially they can’t get rid of her until December.
I’m quite enjoying how much she’s pissing all the lunatics off 😂
They might actually have to abduct her
You have to admire her
So we're out of the frying pan. Where to now?
Nowhere good, that's for sure. I
Another odd speech. She's doing that weird thing she does where she bangs on about her commitment to combatting inequality, fighting injustice and increasing social mobility. All things that have got immeasurably worse on her watch
She's clearly absolutely delusional
his morning as the French, German and Polish girls i spoke to were all refused a vote at the polling stations, despite having been resident here for a long time.
Your colleagues were perfectly entitled to vote, but......
As an EU citizen resident in the UK (except those with British, Irish, Maltese or Cypriot citizenship) wishing to vote in the European elections in the UK you obviously need to register to vote, as explained above.
But once you have done that you also need to fill in an additional form called the European Parliament voter registration form.
They obviously didn't fill in the required registration form. It's a shame but no ones fault but their own 🙁
tjagain
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Having said that I think she only has days left
🙂
Another odd speech. She’s doing that weird thing she does where she bangs on about her commitment to combatting inequality, fighting injustice and increasing social mobility. All things that have got immeasurably worse on her watch
Mental isn't it. Completely divorced from reality
Keep up @taxi25, the blame does not live with those cheated of their vote.
https://twitter.com/electoralcommuk/status/1131559651840004096?s=21
The Conservative Party is in thrall to its local party associations, who've by all accounts been infiltrated by disaffected UKIPers hence the deselections of highly regarded MPs like Dominic Grieve et al. Unfortunately, local party associations increasing belligerence means that MPs and ministers are forced to acquiesce to the whims of what would appear to be a party membership of fewer than 100,000 people who've become wholly disconnected to wider society. With a baying mob demanding Brexit but without any clear understanding of what this actually entails, we're seeing MPs like Andrea Jenkyns bollocking on about the WTO without any ability to answer basic questions like "how many nations trade with the EU on WTO only rules?". It's no wonder that the Conservatives' vote share has collapsed, I do not believe that Boris has either the intellect, the capacity for strategic thinking or the empathy required to ensure that the party broadens it's core memebership base.
Thing is, the next leader will rock up at Brussels demanding an audience with the EU's negotiating team and will quickly learn that they cannot dictate terms - Johnson is reckless enough to put us through a No Deal, however it will be massively damaging to a lot of people's livelihoods and will ensure that the party itself will be punished severely at the polls - remember what falling out of the ERM did for the party five years later when voters who'd been through years of negative equity ensured that the Conservative Party had no majority in parliament for the next twenty years?
– remember what falling out of the ERM did for the party five years later when voters who’d been through years of negative equity ensured that the Conservative Party had no majority in parliament for the next twenty years?
The only silver lining of this sh*t show will be the destruction of the tory party.
Johnson is reckless enough to put us through a No Deal
I'm not so sure. He might think now that no deal is an option. But just like Gove, once the civil servants sit him down and soberly explain the consequences to him he will (I hope) change his mind. If there's one thing about Boris, it's that he's vain enough to not want to be forever labelled as the PM who destroyed his own country.
I take some heart that IF we end up with Boris as PM he hasn't got the numbers to push through no deal, he still needs to pass it through the Commons.
It's a huge risk, but a PM trying to push no-deal will make no-brexit more likely.
It's time Labour MPs stood up, put their house in order and offered an opposition. It's no good to win a slim lead in the polls just because the Tories are such unmitigated shit, there's a complete open goal available to open a 20 point lead.
If there’s one thing about Boris, it’s that he’s vain enough to not want to be forever labelled as the PM who destroyed his own country.
His hero Churchill helped break up the UK in the early 1920's when he deployed the black and tans. Boris will do what he thinks is best for his reputation but quite what that is???????
Keep up @taxi25, the blame does not live with those cheated of their vote.
They still had time to register, in fact thousands did.
he hasn’t got the numbers to push through no deal,
How many times does this have to be explained ???
At least once more, apparently.
But just like Gove, once the civil servants sit him down and soberly explain the consequences to him he will (I hope) change his mind.
Unlikely. During his spell at the Foreign Office he reportedly sat at his desk, inserted his fingers in his ears and hummed God Save the Queen each and every time a civil servant tried to explain to him the complexities of Brexit and the likely social and economic damage.
The only thing that Boris was on top of during his tenure at the FO was usually someone else's wife.
I have acquaintances who worked at the FO who've their own Boris related anecdotes - he's reckless, has no care for detail, lacks empathy and apparently is a singularly charmless individual once you get to know him. He needs close and careful management and has a Trumpian disdain for experts. It pains me to say this, but the party needs a Gove, not a Johnson if it is to avoid being subsumed into the Faragist carnival populist movement that will ultimately either lead us straight into authoritarianism or decades of social unrest.
Oh look a Brexiter blaming someone else for UK gov failures once again. They are getting good at it.