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a Brexiter blaming someone else for UK gov failures once again. They are getting good at it
This is exactly how a "stab in the back" mentality takes hold.
How many times does this have to be explained ???
Yes it's the default on 31/10 but we've seen that the (current) HoC will not sit idly by and let it happen. The only way that'll change is either a GE or the new leader doing a fantastic job of convincing MPs that No Deal is the best option available to the UK at the moment. We won't get a GE while the resurgent Farage is fresh in Tory minds, and I'm not sure how you can put enough lipstick on the pig of no deal to make MPs support it. So IMO no deal isn't looking much more likely than it did last week.
But if we've seen anything over the last couple of years, it's that this whole Brexit process has a habit of developing in unexpected ways.
The current HoC has sat idly by for 3 years now !! They had many opportunities to end the charade one way or another and failed at every turn. All Boris (or whoever) has to do is continue stalling, preventing debate, abusing our outmoded parliamentary procedure, and his job is done. Simples.
apparently is a singularly charmless individual once you get to know him
His own aide said of him
"everyone loves Boris, apart from those who know him"
I expect the upcoming leadership election will be a game of 'my Brexit is harder than yours' as they all queue up to out-Farage farage, while anyone sane looks on in horror
This should be played on a loop on all major TV channels:
@taxi25 that was the problem, all the EU nationals i work with that applied for the forms to be able to vote did not receive them in time, seems to be a large internal cock-up by the Electoral Commission
a large internal cock-up by the Electoral Commission
Funny how all the cock-ups - disenfranchising EU voters, Windrush, deporting or imprisoning foreign students - seem to impact the same group of people. Coincidence?
Yup. We're talking about people who've lived here, paid taxes here and who have integrated into British life incredibly successfully having had their entitlement to vote withdrawn without warning. It's not right, nor is it acceptable.
It's been said (here) that Boris has no chance of being put forward because almost everyone in government hates him.
I've just had the horrible thought that given the current political landscape and brexity leadership essentially being a poisoned chalice, I wouldn't put it past the shower of shitweasels to nominate him out of sheer spite just for the opportunity to watch him burn.
Watch Boris burn? can i bring marshmallows instead of the usual STW biscuits?
Woohooo! PM May is going!
Another Weak PM bites the dust!
Did not see the other thread ...
It’s been said (here) that Boris has no chance
Well apart from the fact he's the number one choice among the Cons.
Have you noticed that things said *here* on a political theme are a little bit, what's the word... studenty?
Its started already
All the senior Tories seem to be saying that whoever is elected must go off to Brussels and tell Johnny Foreigner what's what. Looks like a cake-and-eat-it, unicorn-based Brexit is very much back on the agenda.
Its like the last 3 years never happened for these clowns
God help us!
Have you noticed that things said *here* on a political theme are a little bit, what’s the word… studenty?
Ha. Not much different than whats been coming out of the mouths of brexiter politicians and their supporters.
Well apart from the fact he’s the number one choice among the Cons.
They can put a mouse as PM to Brexit (NO deal) and the mouse will go down in history as the greatest PM ever ... well after the previous greatest British PMs.
Go against the Referendum as a PM then s/he should be fired. Simples.
all the EU nationals i work with that applied for the forms to be able to vote did not receive them in time
Or, even worse IMO, they received letters saying that they did not need to do anything else... only to be told, too late, that they in fact did.
It's a cock up that they knew about in advance but did nothing to stop. Utterly shameful.
Then for the Electoral Commission to say that unless you can prove the result would have been different otherwise, you can't even do anything about it! It's absolutely rotten to the core.
Or, even worse IMO, they received letters saying that they did not need to do anything else… only to be told, too late, that they in fact did.
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but does anyone find this "mistake" awfully convenient?
Has a figure been attached yet to exactly how many EU nationals were eligible to vote and couldn't?
Yay democracy.
Well apart from the fact he’s the number one choice among the Cons
Have you not noticed that the often thought front runner rarely gets the job?
but does anyone find this “mistake” awfully convenient?
Yup.
It's an indication of just how far down the pan we've gone.
Yep colleague in work who's from Italy sent her form off in time but was told at polling station it hadnt been received, her husband's Irish & he had no probs.
Lived, here & worked in a cancer research lab & paid taxes for 8 years.
I suspect incompetence rather than conspiracy tho.
So who's the next PM that's gonna be chewed up & spat our by the insanity that is Brexit?
Putin must be laughing his socks off right now!
Anyone know how to apply for an Irish passport/duel citizenship and what's involved?
My late grandad on my mother's side was Irish, so I belive I'm eligible.. I'm not sure if he became British though...
I suspect incompetence rather than conspiracy tho.
I would err in that direction. My wife (Belgian lived in UK since 60's) sent hers off and got polling card about a week ago. Fairly tight getting it a week ahead so a lot of opportunity for people not to get their in time.
Putin must be laughing his socks off right now!
He'll hardly be alone there. At the moment we're the international equivalent of this...
And electing a preening, self-serving buffoon like Boris Johnson has a certain horrible inevitability to it
And electing a preening, self-serving buffoon like Boris Johnson has a certain horrible inevitability to it
As I have seen him described just now - "The thinking man's idiot and the idiot's thinking man".
Spot on.
Bit of PG Wodehouse artifice, a smattering of utterly pointless latin and a xenophobic 'gaffe' and a lot of the 'great' british public will fall for it.....
If anyone is looking for some light in the darkness.
I'm reading that Voter turn-out was higher than average in Remain areas, where as in Leaver areas it was lower.
The Labour voting, Leaving areas saw the biggest drop in turn-out.
Source, Robert Peston on Twitter
Thank you P-Jay, I sincerely hope that you are correct. If you are, I owe you a pint.
@grimep what do think a new pro-Brexit PM will achieve that TM couldn’t?
Higher-than-expected turnout in Cornwall for Euro elections – 41.4%, with a total 175,475 votes cast yesterday.
Good turn out in Cornwall apparently.
It also appears that one of the EU nationals, who filled in all the paperwork correctly, but was denied the chance to vote was the Europe Director of Amnesty International!
I refer STW to the Laurel and Hardy picture above.
Laughing stock, I'm afraid. Maybe we deserve Blo-Hard.
So Boris has stated that the UK will leave in October, deal or not.
I think he is hoping he doesn't make it to the membership vote, that the mp's see him off in the early rounds. He knows he can't deliver, he needs someone else to eat the shit sandwich before he takes over, a patsy he can blame it on.
Seem a few commentators on Twitter are saying that if Labour come out badly from yesterday vote, Corbyn won't see Xmas as leader. I don't know about that, he'll have to resign mind you, his followers have got Labour tied up.
his followers have got Labour tied up.
This is rather overstated, he has lost most of those that carried him to power over his brexit non-stance.
So Boris has stated that the UK will leave in October, deal or not.
Indeed. And so it begins.
As I said earlier, be careful what you wish for. Gods help us all.
So JRM is backing BoJo, make of that what you will. To me it indicates the fix is already in, Boris lands the job and Moggy and his ERG chums will be taking turns operating their new puppet.
Everyone strap in, it's going to be a rough ride.
@grimep what do think a new pro-Brexit PM will achieve that TM couldn’t?
You don't expect an answer do you? Just get over it, you lost - No deal will be great etc,.
So JRM is backing BoJo, make of that what you will.
JRM once said "I can see no reason why Johnson couldn't be Prime Minister." Some wag immediately popped up with, "should have gone to MonocleSavers."
Neither Boris nor JRM are blessed with much in the way of imagination, judging by their published works both are educated beyond their intellectual limitations.
So JRM is backing BoJo, make of that what you will. To me it indicates the fix is already in, Boris lands the job and Moggy and his ERG chums will be taking turns operating their new puppet.
Everyone strap in, it’s going to be a rough ride.
The thing is, we need them and Farage to be in charge, to expose them for the frauds and idiots that they are. Otherwise them, their cheerleaders and those who follow them will always be sniping from the sidelines undermining any chance of progress.
I just hope they can be exposed (to the majority) before they do too much damage, so we can return to being a progressive and enlightened country.
I hope the damage will largely be political and reversible before it destroys too many peoples lives, and communities.
I hope the damage will largely be political and reversible before it destroys too many peoples lives, and communities.
It is still the tory party, destroying peoples lives and their communities is their main goal.
So JRM is backing BoJo, make of that what you will. To me it indicates the fix is already in, Boris lands the job and Moggy and his ERG chums will be taking turns operating their new puppet.
Becasue JRM is one of those classic back seat drivers. The person that sits in the wings telling everyone how much better it could have, should have been done, how they'd have sorted it by now but never ever daring to get behind the wheel becasue they'd be shown up immediately by their utter incompetence.
Actually quite a clever tactic - you get all the publicity by standing there shouting but much less of the risk of being shown up as a monumental ****.
Boris has too much of an ego for that - he's the one up the front bluffing that yes he meant to do it this way and isn't it all jolly funny.
Out of the frying pan into... ?
we need them and Farage to be in charge, to expose them for the frauds and idiots that they are.
Only, that hasn't really worked so well this far, has it.
As previously reported, the astroturfing going on in the Labour Party forums has been an eye opener, but the response has been largely unanimous. I don’t believe that Magic Grandad would survive a confidence vote.
Some 80% percent of Momentum members back Remain, simply swapping Jezza for another Seumas Milne approved Brexiteer won’t get Labour any closer to power.
seems to be a large internal cock-up by the Electoral Commission
How?
As far as I am aware the failing is down to the maybot leaving it to the last minute to go "errmm yeah about leaving the EU before the elections, errm ahhhh, bit ambitious so get voting". Which meant the local authorities hadnt got the funding approved to properly manage and plan for it. Some managed (probably by gambling it would be happening and spending in advance which would have risked them getting in trouble if it didnt happen) and others didnt.
I dont think the electoral commission has the legal authority to have enforced a sensible timetable.
Why does England want to leave the EU but remain part of the UK. That's not independence, is it?