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Happy Europe Da<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">y everybody.</span>
how do I cast my vote to make it as unequivocally anti any form of Brexit as possible?
This may be of interest.
TL;DR, it says:
Live in England, vote Lib Dem.
Live in Scotland: vote SNP.
Live in Wales: vote Plaid.
Live in NI: their system is different and we haven't worked it out yet.
Cannot ignore 17m who backed leave, he says
But perfectly fine to ignore 16m who backed remain. Fox sakes.
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The BBC are reporting rumours May is talking about a fourth crack at getting her Deal through next week
She wouldn’t be doing that unless something has shifted
Um, that's what happened the last 2 times she brought it forward.
Besides, the stitch up is definitely happening this week isn't it?
But perfectly fine to ignore 16m who backed remain. Fox sakes.
That's in line with the (apparent) current policy of the majority of politicians to ignore any and all voter wishes isn't it?
Besides, the stitch up is definitely happening this week isn’t it?
It is indeed...
It would make my year if Binners won and TJ bought him a gift card which could only be redeemed against Greggs vegan sausage rolls.
If a General Election were called and If Labour went full Brexit. How likely would they be to win?
Assuming that they did, how would they get their "full Brexit" through/past parliament?
Have you not been paying attention? Within a week of taking over, Grandad will have negotiated a magic 'cake-and-eat-it' Red Unicorn Brexit deal with the EU. Freedom of movement will end, but we will retain tariff-free access to the single market and all the other advantages of EU membership, all without paying owt in.
Once thats all sorted, it will be nodded though parliament and a grateful nation will unite behind Jeremy, rejoice and embrace a bright socialist future, free from the tyranny of the evil capitalist oppressors in Brussels
The worry for the Lab/Con “Major” parties seems to be that the Brexit ultra parties will split their 50% “Leave Biased” voter base. While the likes of the Lib-dems, CHUK and the Greens will potentially split their 50% “Remain biased” voter base… But I can’t actually tell why they are interested in winning any EU seats anyway. It’s an election so they need to “win” even if the prize is something they don’t want…
They're not bothered in the slightest about the EU elections, it just happens they're going to be held, tories were quite open about planning not to fight them, the only thing that's changed is they're fielding candidates because they should. Neither party has any intention of people taking seats in the next EU parliament regardless of the outcome of the EU elections, 6 weeks ago Labour might have been interested but now? No.
Both Labour and tories are now very aware that, if they haven't agreed a brexit deal between them before the next GE it's going to be painful indeed. Hence suddenly being able to make progress in talks which have failed to even start before the local elections. Brexit done appalingly means no grounds for ukip/brexit party on the one side, nor remain parties on the other to campaign on beyond the things they've secured no votes on for years. Much better than having a brilliant solution on the table but unpassed by the time of the next ge. This is now about survival for both main parties and neither has any interest in the collateral damage.
Have you not been paying attention? Within a week of taking over, Grandad will have
Begrudgingly agreed a swift resolution to to risk of voters having a choice in brexit next election, whip the Labour Party in fear of their seats to support it then blame the whole shitty mess on TM because the electorate has the memory of a goldfish
https://www.remainunited.org/be-tactical/
Excellent piece on how to vote tactically to maximise the remain vote
Excellent piece on how to vote tactically to maximise the remain vote
Can't be that excellent if it suggests it's possible to vote to remain in the EU Elections given MEPs won't have any say in the UK parliamentary process. You may as well vote fo the party most advocating painting the moon pink.
Whilst I totally agree voting for someone with a vested interest in seeing us out of the EU to go to the EU it's daft, (and our history of doing so is a big contributor to why "the EU doesn't work") voting for someone who you might* otherwise completely disagree with because of their stance on something they can't change rather than someone you do largely agree with despite their stance on something they can't effect is just as foolish. (just in case they do get to take their seats and do something)
Add to that the take home from a trouncing by pro remain parties at the LEs is we need to get brexited quicker and I'm not sure what you think tactically voting for remainers is going to achieve besides a terrible and hastier brexit agreed by parties in fear of their own demise.
What is disappointing about that tactical voting website is it seems the maximum number of MPs from pro-EU parties likely to be elected using tactical voting is 16 out 70 total seats - only 6 more than with no tactical voting - and the Brexit party vote only reduces by 3.
Guess we'll have to wait until they publish results on 21st May when they will include "specific Labour related questions".
Add to that the take home from a trouncing by pro remain parties at the LEs is we need to get brexited quicker and I’m not sure what you think tactically voting for remainers is going to achieve besides a terrible and hastier brexit agreed by parties in fear of their own demise
At least I won't be told, over and over again, that I voted for a party who had pledged to respect the result of the referendum. F@@@. That.
Nice take on Magic Grandad and Labours launch today from John Crace
Who needs policies? Jeremy the bearded messiah is back
Labour had a very clear B-word plan. It was to keep things as ambiguous as possible. To sound as if it had something to offer both leavers and remainers, while actually being a Brexit party at heart. Here was the deal. Labour was committed to honouring the result of the referendum provided its as yet unspecified demands for a B-word deal were met. And if they weren’t, then Labour would demand a general election. And if that wasn’t possible, then he would consider the option – only the option, mind, so no promises – of a second referendum.
Add to that the take home from a trouncing by pro remain parties at the LEs is we need to get brexited quicker and I’m not sure what you think tactically voting for remainers is going to achieve besides a terrible and hastier brexit agreed by parties in fear of their own demise.
3 choices
Don't vote/spoil ballot paper...
Vote for pro-Brexit parties > empowering the current Westminster hard Brexiters and giving us more numpties in any future EU Parliament.
Vote for pro-Remain parties > empowering soft Leavers and Remainers in Westminster to continue putting the brakes on and giving us sensible representation in any future EU Parliament.
YMMV.
Add to that the take home from a trouncing by pro remain parties at the LEs is we need to get brexited quicker and I’m not sure what you think tactically voting for remainers is going to achieve besides a terrible and hastier brexit agreed by parties in fear of their own demise.
Ah, another way of saying that the way to ‘tactically’ thwart an alt-right policy is to vote for it, so that the alt-right then realise what lovely, reasonable people remainers really are and thereby curb their own worst instincts and prejudices?
Ermmmmmm........ no!
Ah, another way of saying that the way to ‘tactically’ thwart an alt-right policy is to vote for it
Not at all. The tactical way to do anything is fight battles you can win not ones you can't.
Voting for a pro remain party at the next General election, assuming its pre sod the 48%, despite their other policies (within reason) because they stand a chance of blocking our Revoking a50 with enough votes, perfectly sound. Voting for a party solely because its pro remain in an election that has absolutely zero bearing on our remaining in the EU, but actually does have a bunch of other things it can effect is daft.
The likelihood is most people here are not voting tory/brexit party/ukip any way but will vote SNP/libdem/green/Labour maybe even tory lite/change UK.
Not voting Labour because you don't agree with a major one of their policies (leave) is perfectly sensible. But for example, voting SNP North of the border even though you're a unionist because it "tactical voting for remain" is bat shit crazy, vote green or libdem or something you believe in. Even if every single MEP returned by the UK at the election is massively pro remain they have no say in that.
Vote for the policies, plural, you want, that they can implement and, I think here at least, you'll find you're voting for remainers any how, you'll just find that you agree with them about more than where you live and the fact that should still be a place in Europe.
reasonable people remainers really are and thereby curb their own worst instincts and prejudices?
They're going to ignore you any way, regardless of how you vote, because you're never going to vote for them.
How did 48% go for us?
How did the last ge go? (where categorically if people had voted for remain parties in significant numbers it might have had a positive effect)
The last le?
I'd never advocate voting for something you don't agree with, be that alt right, centre right a wee bit left or sickle and star fluttering in the wind over Parliament Square. That is very much my point, don't vote "against" something, vote for something, especially when you've a choice of multiple options who all represent the main thing you're for, pick the one which has a few more things going for it than 1.
****ing Farage is on QT yet again! Along with another gammon! FFS!!
****ing Farage is on QT yet again! Along with another gammon! FFS!!
Had to switch it off. Felt the bile rising.
I know someone who refuses to vote lib dems because of the coalition student fee issue.
On asking who they now vote for, the answer was they won't vote at all.
People. Sigh.
****ing Farage is on QT yet again! Along with another gammon! FFS!!
Is it worth watching or will I just throw a brick through my TV?
The most annoying thing is the far right extremists keep saying the BBC is biased toward anyone who's not insane..
I would love to hoof him in his racist slats. With bombers. It's hard going.
He’s a truly vile human being. An absolute shyster.
Amber Rudd is within punching distance of the obnoxious ****. That’d make a good QT
He is however right about one thing. The two parties are only serving themselves and a stitch up is imminent
Corbyn today made that quite obvious. It’s in the post
I dunno, if magic grandpa and Cruella de vil come to an agreement it will mean a truly vassal state. With a backstop.
That will just split 2 stupid parties into 4 sub parties in parliament... But that was always Comming.
You think they care?
Self-preservation of the ‘to me - to you’ system is all that matters to them right now. They’ll place that before everything
Vote for the policies, plural, you want, that they can implement…
…but actually does have a bunch of other things it can effect is daft.
Not if Brexit happens… then we have no MEPs. Voting for MEPs of parties that have a policy of getting rid of MEPs only makes sense if you also don't want MEPs.
Not if Brexit happens… then we have no MEPs.
That's a point actually.
If we vote in the EU elections and appoint MEPs, then we subsequently leave the EU after that, what happens? Do our MEPs then suddenly become not-MEPs? What fills the hole left if so?
Do our MEPs then suddenly become not-MEPs?
Yes. Although in theory we are still leaving before the new parliament starts so they will never actually be MEPs.
What fills the hole left if so?
The seats are due to be redistributed between the other countries. Since (I think) they all use list systems this could still go ahead. Dunno if it has been decided on though.
Add to that the take home from a trouncing by pro remain parties at the LEs is we need to get brexited quicker
That might be what they’re saying - as in the sound bite they’re pushing - but it’s not the way they’re acting.
But I agree with the post a few above (and as I’ve said before) if you can’t vote for someone, anyone, who you DO agree with then please still go and vote: spoil your ballot instead.
Significant numbers of spoiled ballots would gain attention.
Significant numbers of spoiled ballots would gain attention.
Do you genuinely believe that or just hope? Given [already] significant numbers of Lib-dem votes don't gain attention I can't see it happening.
I'm all for trying but the only way you're likely to get noticed is when they loose, and even if 99% spoilt their ballot they'd still win with 42% of 1%.
Edit: actually no a spoilt ballot can get noticed. Just draw an arrow and write brexit...
For the sake of my health I can't watch QT. Did the BBC field anyone that disagreed with their beloved Nigel?
I am heading into the Highlands for the weekend. I'll collect my winnings next week
Are we all still on for this not happening at all?
What do we think the mechanism for this not happening at all will be?
What kind of fallout are we all expecting when this doesn't happen?
Do we think the lack of fallout that occurs from this not happening will be lasting?
I think i might have hinted at the answer to my own question on the last one there.
Interestingly (and I have not research3d more deeply) Have I got News For You was pulled last night, allegedly because Heidi Allen was on and her appearance might impact the European elections.
As opposed to Farage being on QT...
Heidi getting ripped apart and depending on editing no chance to reply to any points made against her is different that Farage being on QT which is chaired, has right to reply etc,.
If that's the case, the message should have said that - the Beeb just said no competing politicians during an election period, and Farage definitely counts as one of those. He was vile on QT.
Heidi getting ripped apart and depending on editing no chance to reply to any points made against her is different that Farage being on QT which is chaired, has right to reply etc,.
Farage was HIGNFY in the month leading up to the last EU elections.
I see there's going to be a remain landslide in the EU elections...
The no change party really seem to have caught the public's imagination.
As opposed to Farage being on QT…
It's a roughly balanced panel with open debate. That's not the same as a comedy show.
The no change party really seem to have caught the public’s imagination
Was never going to happen.
Well at least you know who to vote for dazh.
I’ll be voting green actually. Always do in non-general elections.
It’s a roughly balanced panel with open debate
Yes the balance has been very rough ever since the referendum.
I see the brexit party are ahead in the polls.
no manifesto, registered company, farage
what a ****ing embarrasment it is to be english.