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Our MEPs will probably be still doing their thing (which for half of them will mean doing nothing but embarrassing us) when 2020 begins. That doesn't preclude an attempted cross party cook up and/or resignations left, right & centre though. In fact, we could have several rounds of that kind of thing over the next year.
Of course the gov is saying the elections will go ahead,, just to soften the blow of a Tory Labour agreement.
Hmmm… @ForChange_UK, or whatever you want to call them, really do need someone looking after their media and social media for them, don't they. Not confidence inspiring. I defended them a bit over the logo fiasco… but… there's now a trend…
I certainly hope we treat everyone from Joe Cocker to Roger Moore with full respect when they go.
Not looking forward to that day...
Seems a shame Paul's party doesn't back him. Fake news?
My prediction:
Lab and Con 'constructive' talks are at an impasse.
There will be no lab/con united front.
If there is, it will never get through Parliament.
If it gets through parliament, the EU will slap it down for being too wishy washy. (political deceleration rather than legal withdrawal agreement)
Back to square one after even more time wasting.
Meanwhile nothing happens.
I'll bet at tenners worth of vegan sausage roll's on it.
sadly i think this is true
Labour’s negotiating team was irked by leaks to Sunday newspapers about concessions Theresa May was preparing to make, which they believe amounted to little more than a rehash of the existing deal.
According to Labour sources, John McDonnell and Keir Starmer spent much of the meeting unpicking the government’s claim to have softened its position in recent weeks, with the atmosphere becoming “quite tense” at times.
By contrast, a Downing Street spokesman described the discussions as “constructive and detailed”, adding: “The teams have agreed to meet again for follow-up talks tomorrow afternoon, recognising the need to resolve the current Brexit deadlock in parliament,”
moar Grauniad
I think this shows the relative sterength of the parties and the desparation of the tories
Kimbers - he has NO traction at all in Scotland. So England maybe but scotland - simply not
sadly i think this is true
The farrage charge? Lol! That's very much a opinion piece. Typical of sky I suppose. Lots of opinion, few facts.
The only quotes in the article are from nigel. A man who has consistently failed in his job as MEP. A man who has a German passport. A man who allegedly supports the UK. What a patriot lol!
Scotland is part of this, whatever the rights and wrongs you think of that.
As to strength of lab vs. con. One is in power, just, one is not ( with very little chance of gaining it as things stand ). What it speaks to, is May's intransigence/lack of room for manoeuvre ( choose whichever you prefer ). You might argue Labour went in to talks in good faith, but really, no one ever thought anyone was going to get anything out of this, did they?
I'd imagine the Labour team having a bit of a laugh out of it all though.
If you think that farage has failed you're judging him by the wrong yardstick imo.
Well paid job he hardly turns up to. Decent pension. Has had massive impact on British politics despite never being elected an MP ( 7 attempts ). He's an insipid weasle of a tabacco stained toad who I can only imagine struggles to look himself in the mirror of a morning for sure, but to deny him his success is unrealistic, however unpalatable.
Sorry. I see I've done both weasles and toads a disservice there.
Its nothing to do with Scotland. Look at the voting record. the most UKIP has ever got in a scots election is just over 6% IIRC. So farage cannot bring trumpism to scotland - he would be laughed out of the coutry.
Its a classic anglocentric media piece conflating england and the UK
I think the UK vote in the EU elections will reflect the local votes we've had recently.
There was no brexit party in the locals, just the odd UKIP who are dead and irrelevant now, so I'd imagine all the UK racists and nationalists will give nigels new party a good proportion, but i think we'll see a much more level playing from the greens and the Liberal democrats.
Time will tell I guess.
Its nothing to do with Scotland. Look at the voting record.
It's actually a lot to do with Scotland, and Northern Ireland, and potentially Wales too.
This (English) nationalist bullshit will be the end of the UK.
Scotland will fast track straight back into to EU if hard brexit happens. And I don't blame them
on that.
Wales is also watching..
If Scotland were able to manage that then I hope they have an open and welcoming immigration policy, but 'fast track' would be rather a relative term, and I think there are more than a few hurdles to get over to achieve it.
Scotland didn't have to vote for farage, and funnily enough very few people have, but to pretend that what he does doesn't affect Scotland is a curious view.
In some ways I think we'd almost be better off if he had succeeded in getting in to the commons. At least closer to home what he gets up to might have come under closer scrutiny.
The EU have made it clear that an independent scotland would be welcome with no issues to overcome.
And it would happen in the blink of an eye, I'm sure.
An iS in the EU would experience a huge brain gain. Invest in Central Belt property now. Actually don't, I'll be needing some.
And it would happen in the blink of an eye, I’m sure.
It would be one of the easiest deals in human history, or something like that 🙂
It's 30 years since I left from Scotland and increasingly it looks like I'll be moving back - the English Nationalism under the false pretence of "UK" or "British" anything in particular. The only thing the Brexiteers will be successful at will be precipitating the break-up of the UK.
EVERYTHING IS GOING JUST FINE
https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1126036763292651522?s=21
Quite a change over 2 years. Still, "nothing has changed", so no need to ask us plebs if we want the government to keep digging…
Scottish Nationalism is fab, UK/British/English Nationalism is bad.
Wanting to leave the EU is bad, wanting to leave the UK is good.
Its a funny old game isnt it?
Scottish Nationalism is fab, UK/British/English Nationalism is bad.
Wanting to leave the EU is bad, wanting to leave the UK is good
Having only 3 brain cells to rub together must be worse.
You have my sympathy.
Wanting to leave the EU is bad, wanting to leave the UK is good.
Its a funny old game isnt it?
Well, it's quite nuanced. I was in favour of Scotland remaining, however I'm now unsure. As an arch remainer, my view is that working and co-operating with everyone is the way forward. Post-Brexit, Scotland might have close ties with one neighbour, but it would be being separated from its other neighbours against the will of its government and a majority of its people.
Scotland is married to an abusive partner why wouldn't they look for someone else?
People trying to define this as some kind of national or geographical issue is half the problem
This whole thing is a cultural issue. The difference this has brought into such sharp focus is a difference in worldview
One that is liberal, forward-looking and doesn't really recognise international borders, is global and internationalist in its outlook and has no issue with immigration as they view its contribution positively.
And then there's its opposite, which is socially conservative, backwards-looking, insular, parochial and suspicious of immigrants
It has nothing to do with Geography
Membership and independence great for Scotland Just not for the UK
Scotland is married to an abusive partner why wouldn’t they look for someone else?
🙄
Binners though is right, must be a planetary alignment or something.
Having only 3 brain cells to rub together must be worse.
You have my sympathy.
Worse than what? Scottish Nationalism? Anyway High Five to you for being so cool/ clever and funny to boot!
My kids are in a Welsh Language school and the nationalism there sometimes makes me a little uncomfortable. I love the pride in the language and culture but often its just "Wales is the best!"
Just listening to Five Live at the moment. Nigel Farage has a lot to answer for, but right at the top of the list is releasing Anne ****ing Widdacombe back on the country.
When you're talking about socially conservative, backwards-looking, insular and parochial mindsets, she's that personified
A truly vile woman! She's the living embodiment of the nasty, intolerant, petty, small-minded Brexit worldview
CTK - either you don't understand the difference between scottish nationalism as espoused by the SNP and English Nationalism of the UKIP / Brexit / BNP type or you are making a deliberate false statement to wind up folk
either way its not big nor clever.
It's not where we came from that's important, it's where we're going together."
Thing is, there are so many parallels to be drawn between nationalist's efforts to remove Scotland from the UK, and the UK from the EU.
If you believe in both Scotland leaving the UK and the UK leaving the EU, I can understand your position, even if I disagree with it, but to believe in one but not the other? Afraid I just don't get it.
My country is better than yours and your country is dragging mine down.
My county is better than yours and your county is dragging mine down.
My town is better than yours and your town is dragging mine down.
My parish is better than yours and your parish is dragging mine down.
My street is better than yours and your street is dragging mine down.
My house is better than yours and your house is dragging mine down.
My family is better than yours and your family is dragging mine down.
Nationalism. Full f-ing retard.
PMQ's should be interesting today. I think we'll know then if it's me or TJ who's going to be gorging on steak bakes or cream cakes.
If Magic Grandad actually mentions Brexit then the cream cakes are uncle Jezza's
If he's banging on about rural bus services again then the stitch up is on, and the sausage rolls are mine
PMQ’s should be interesting today.
It is never interesting. If I was opposition leader I would abstain from it. Whatever question Corbyn asks the response will be "well under Labour it would be even more shit". Not even an attempt at answering the question. May might as well just say "your mum" as a response to everything.
Afraid I just don’t get it.
Try this… think about Ireland… look at the way the EU works for it… now picture how the UK would be treating it if it wasn't an independent country… can you see how very different the relationships would be? Now, when did the First Minister of Scotland have a say in UK wide policy in the same way that the Taoiseach has a say in Europe wide policy?
I don't want Scotland to leave the UK… but the UK and the EU are not anologous institutions… to want to be independent of the UK, yet a member of the EU, is an entirely consistent position. If I lived in Scotland I think the last 3 years may have moved my position towards precisely that, but obviously I can't be sure.
Not even an attempt at answering the question.
This is true. So you ask questions where a non-answer betrays the truth of a stagnated executive with no plan for the present (never mind the future). Your questions can suggest a clear alternative to the current logjam that 92% of polled voters disapprove of.
Thing is, there are so many parallels to be drawn between nationalist’s efforts to remove Scotland from the UK, and the UK from the EU.
Not really, as far as I recall there was never any argument for ending the 4 freedoms from the Scottish nationalists, it was purely about bringing decision making back to Scotland within the EU framework of co-operation. And frankly brexit has tested the UK governments promises to Scotland made during the Scottish referendum and shown them to be lies.
The brexiters, want to be rulers, they are for UK union because they believe they can bully the "minor" nations, but against European union, because there they have to co-operate rather than dictate.
And this is my view as an Englishman, who has only visited Scotland, I have no real skin in the game of Scottish independence.
My Union is better than yours and your union is dragging mine down.
My country is better than yours and your country is dragging mine down.
My county is better than yours and your county is dragging mine down.
My town is better than yours and your town is dragging mine down.
My parish is better than yours and your parish is dragging mine down.
My street is better than yours and your street is dragging mine down.
My house is better than yours and your house is dragging mine down.
My family is better than yours and your family is dragging mine down.Nationalism. Full f-ing retard.