Spot the difference:
Maybe he'll do a Trump and claim his audience was, in fact, actually much bigger. Like... the BIGGEST EVER. And definitely not just a couple of hundred angry gammons
Maybe he’ll do a Trump and claim his audience was, in fact, actually much bigger. Like… the BIGGEST EVER. And definitely not just a couple of hundred angry gammons
The picture speaks for itself, does it not? Is there any need to call the people there gammons?
It could be argued that you’re less likely to come out and protest when you’re winning. Also, if the people marching to revoke Brexit had marched before the referendum we may not be where we are now.
NB for clarification I voted remain and would happily see us revoke.
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It could be argued that you’re less likely to come out and protest when you’re winning.
Maybe, but nobody's winning right now.
if the people marching to revoke Brexit had marched before the referendum we may not be where we are now.
I don't think many people, myself included, ever thought the referendum result would be for leave.
I had to do a double take when I saw the news the following morning...
if the people marching to revoke Brexit had marched before the referendum we may not be where we are now.
I don’t think many people, myself included, ever thought the referendum result would be for leave.
I had to do a double take when I saw the news the following morning…
I hear what you are saying, but the reamain campaign was incredibly poor and the writing was on the wall. A lot of us put too much faith in a collective rationality/sense.
A lot of us put too much faith in a collective rationality/sense.
And playing by the rules....
Great to see so many out there today, estimated at 1 million people with the petition edging towards 4.5m it's a lot of people making their voices heard. I also took the opportunity to send the email to Number 10 from ZippyKona's link - https://email.number10.gov.uk/
I thought it safer to address it to the PM rather than name her just in case - reports are an orderly transition committee is in operation - probably less organised and more factional than the one in the trailer above.
1M is amazing and some great speeches as well
and this gave me t' lols
Well that was a nice stroll thru London!
Was very jolly, managed to lose everyone I went with, but made a load of new friends too.
Was great to see so many young & old, and people from all across the country. In a train heading to Crewe, loads of marchers with northern accents, nice to get out of my remainer down south bubble.
Special shout-out to the depressingly skillful anti-knife crime kids on bikes too.
This is brilliant:
ttps://news.sky.com/video/no-more-mr-nice-guy-nigel-farage-fumes-over-brexit-11673425
Anyone think that the glorious leader sounds just like Lewis Prothero from V for Vendetta?
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1109155782287740928
Worth a read of the replies....
Worth a read of the replies….
Just had a quick scroll through.. Oooph.. Lol!
Big weekend plans?
It’s like Corbyn has now upped his game to actively trolling the Labour anti-Brexit membership.
BBC news have just done their usual incomprehensible ‘balance’ thing where they gave Farage addressing 200 gammons the same amount of coverage as a million people marching through London
Some pace is being picked up here....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/23/calls-grow-for-public-inquiry-into-brexit
Calls for a public inquiry into Brexit are mounting among diplomats, business figures, peers and MPs, amid claims that the civil service is already planning for a future investigation into how it has been handled.
The decision to call the referendum, the red lines drawn up by Theresa May and Britain’s negotiating strategy are all issues that senior figures would like to be examined.
Bob Kerslake, the former head of the civil service, said an inquiry was needed into “the biggest humiliation since Suez, certainly since the IMF crisis [in 1976]”. The cross-party peer said he believed the civil service “is both expecting and preparing for this”.
“We do need to understand how on earth we ended up where we have and it probably needs to go back to the decisions around holding a referendum and the way the question was framed,” he said. “It would need to be a public inquiry, probably judge-led.”
Peter Ricketts, the former national security adviser and former head civil servant in the Foreign Office, cited the Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war. “Chilcot took a long time, but it was cathartic,” he said. “The report was widely seen to have done the job and I think you can say the British system is better for it. I think the handling of Brexit has been such a failure of the process of government, with such wide ramifications, that there needs to be a searching public inquiry.
“What advice was given to ministers? Was it taken? Did the processes of collective cabinet decision-taking work? Were the right skills available, for example on no-deal planning and all the costs involved? They are all legitimate questions for an inquiry. It should have the powers of a judicial inquiry.”
One senior Tory peer said: “We want our Chilcot.”
Some people may wish to examine their own exit strategies at this point. Nothing like the threat of an inquiry to sharpen the record keeping and throwing people to the baying crowd 🙂
Grayling's going down.
He's been groomed as the face of Brexit failure.
Hypothetically, if there were a second referendum and remain won the vote, obviously a huge sigh of relief all round from those who never wanted to leave. The economy would stabilise and the status quo would be restored.
However, what would be the fallout from the result of the first referendum never having never been implemented? Democracy seemingly a concept that can be either ignored or implemented. The seriousness of what this would mean and how the population might react could dwarf any of the problems that leaving might entail.
Mike - Andrew Rawnsley has been saying for a while that certain ministers and former ministers behaviour has been with half an eye on what they assume will be the inevitable ‘Chilcott’ style public inquiry in the aftermath of this shitstorm
Dominic Raab soiling himself and running away, having been Brexit minister for all of ten minutes, being the prime example
Some people may wish to examine their own exit strategies at this point.
With a bit of luck those called to account will include the BBC - Farage's personal TV station.
However, what would be the fallout from the result of the first referendum never having never been implemented? Democracy seemingly a concept that can be either ignored or implemented. The seriousness of what this would mean and how the population might react could dwarf any of the problems that leaving might entail.
You're not wrong, which is why we'd need to have a serious, grown up conversation about the grievances that led people to vote leave, and how they could be addressed from within the framework of remaining in the EU. I'm fairly sure most of them could, well, the ones that don't boil down to "I don't like people who speak funny" could anyways.
Do I rate our politicians as competent enough to do this? No, I don't, so I reckon we're donald ducked, whatever happens.
With a bit of luck those called to account will include the BBC – Farage’s personal TV station.
^^ This.
Their pathetic need for "balance" has gone way beyond what is actually balance and into the realms of clickbait and the need to be seen as PC.
So you can interview an astronaut but "for balance" there has to be a Flat Earther there too. The latest climate change report is released and as well as an emminent scientist who has been studying the subject for decades, they'll bring on someone who once watched a YouTube video on chemtrails and it's all a hoax.
It long ago went from being about journalism and descended into shouty vox-pop interviews, 30 second clips and a battle for ratings which meant needing to be controversial to get the viewing figures.
The seriousness of what this would mean and how the population might react could dwarf any of the problems that leaving might entail.
Utter balls
Currently watching Sky. Seems pretty balanced reporting on Brexit in a good way to me. Farage got a few seconds to spout a pretty obvious lie, the demo got good coverage. Tom watson got as many seconds as Corbyn. All good.
Their pathetic need for “balance” has gone way beyond what is actually balance and into the realms of clickbait and the need to be seen as PC.
Balance is a significant problem and challenge in modern media, especially with the hyper partisan internet outlets who are way off the mark, however if you read some of the BBC twitter feeds it's full of leavers complaining the BBC won't tell the truth about how great brexit will be.
But don't start mixing up "the need to be seen to be PC" that is where do: don't behave like dick heads, treat people with respect and try and look beyond gender, race and other factors and listen to what people are saying and challenge what they say not who they are.
And filed under what goes on in the whips room goes online fairly soon
Knowing the consequences of what they were about to do, before the meeting they agreed: “What happens in the whips office stays in the whips office.” One whip told colleagues they felt like crying.
May began with a boilerplate speech imploring her team to do all they could to find a majority for her withdrawal agreement, telling them the country wanted to move on and get the deal over the line so she could focus on her domestic agenda. It was too much for Paul Maynard, one of her senior whips, who spoke first in response.
“I’m sorry, prime minister,” he said. His voice cracking, Maynard, who has a reputation as one of the more courteous parliamentarians, told May: “I find this really difficult because I put a high price on loyalty. This is one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do, but I’m going to have to say what I’ve got to say.”
In what one colleague described as a highly emotional state, Maynard, who voted Leave, informed the PM in no uncertain terms that her Brexit strategy was doomed. She risked not only failing to deliver on the result of the referendum, but also destroying the Conservative party, Maynard said, according to two sources in the room.
However, what would be the fallout from the result of the first referendum never having never been implemented? Democracy seemingly a concept that can be either ignored or implemented. The seriousness of what this would mean and how t
But no-one knew what the outcome from the referendum was going to be 3 years ago - all they were promised was a "red, white and blue" Brexit not this steaming crock of shit that's been cooked-up for them. We now that this there are various versions including Thereasa's, Norway or Canada or the completely imbecilic "no deal" and of course the option to stay and seek reform. The notion that we should continue to pursue an objective because we'd lose our credibility is moronic, besides that went a long time ago and the whole world is laughing at us now.
The Guardian seem to think that May, in line with what she’s done all along (bow to the ERG) now favours a No Deal crash out to the alien concept of compromise.
So she’s not even going to put it to MV3, she’s just going to stay in the bunker and run down the clock, ignoring everyone other than the headbangers, to the No Deal cliff edge.
As that is the default position, if she really wants to do this, she can, and there’s not a right lot anyone can now do to stop her
As a country we now appear to have a total lunatic at the controls who’s only interest is holding the Tory Party together, no matter what the consequences are for the rest of us. Party before country, every single time!
How the hell did we get to this?!
2 weeks to economic Armageddon and counting...
Complete and utter insanity!
The Guardian seem to think that May, in line with what she’s done all along (bow to the ERG) now favours a No Deal crash out.
Whereas Times & Buzzfeed have her being deposed in order to get something done, rumours be rumouring hard right now but the numbers in action this weekend will galvanise remain and panic leavers even more that they can't let the momentum build on this one.
But how can she be deposed?
There simply aren’t the mechanisms in place to do it.
Our democracy is well and truly broken
Well if you read the Buzzfeed account from the Whips office she has been told that there will be mass walk outs or they will not whip for her. It's a forced resignation situation, in the face of losing a vote of no confidence it will be a stark choice for her.
Bit of a contrast...
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There simply aren’t the mechanisms in place to do it.
Of of course there are. A no confidence vote will do it. But that will require Tory remainers to put country before party, and labour centrists to actually get behind labour policy.
And as our political system has been functioning so well of late...
Have you watched the Johnathan Pie piece? She’s now like HAL in 2001. She’s gone completely rogue and is determined to see this through - deliver Brexit - at whatever cost. And if that means crashing out with no deal, so be it
One things for sure... we’re going to have to buckle our seatbelts for the next couple of weeks. It’s going to be absolute madness in what has now become a totally dysfunctional banana republic
I wonder if we could get her sectioned?
Really glad we made the effort to go to the march. Took a bit longer than expected due to the sheer number of people, but the atmosphere was great. Lots of normal, nice people from a range of walks of life wanting to be heard. Top marks to the band of drums that helped keep the energy up, now trying not to fall asleep on the train home.
... and Daz... it’d help if the Labour leader actually got behind Labour Party policy.
Remember the whole second referendum thing? The one a million people turned up to support? The one that’s apparently Labour Party policy? He was too busy to even acknowledge it today, obviously...
He found a suitable excuse to be as far away from London as possible instead. Morcombe is nice at this time of year though
Really glad we made the effort to go to the march.
Good man
train home.
*Impressed*
Important things to remember:
1) The referendum was not a legally bound vote.
2) Even if it had been, given what's occurred since, there would be a good legal basis to take a second vote under the auspices of miss-representation
Lets face it, even if we had voted in a proper General Election, but it had taken 3 years to actually get the party that was voted for into power, and when they were in, it turned out the elected party were actually all raving lunatics who were hell bent on the total destruction of the Economy, then i suspect we would also be calling for a second vote! 😉
Lets face it, even if we had voted in a proper General Election, but it had taken 3 years to actually get the party that was voted for into power, and when they were in, it turned out the elected party were actually all raving lunatics who were hell bent on the total destruction of the Economy, then i suspect we would also be calling for a second vote!
Isn't that what actually happened?
One for binners, think I found a Corbyn fanatic on twitter
In the most Monty Python Way
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1109564330494836736
It's on
Updated
Will Corbyn get the job?
I was at the march today. I can honestly say it was a gathering of some of the nicest souls I’ve encountered.
I’m no Heseltine fan, but I’m still genuinely stunned by his speech. He hit the right tone between statesman and soundbite (some Thatcher references to appease the Daily Mail crowd). In hindsight, he makes our current crop of politicians look like amateurs.
Michael “The Gover” Gove or Jeremy “The c**t” Hunt as a replacement for PM?
God help us
Watched, shared and asking people to watch, shows that brexit is not left of right it's a bigger problem.
