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Regarding forcing businesses to publish lists of foreign employees she said: "It's not something we're definitely going to do. It's one of the tools we are going to use as a review, to see if we can use it as a way of nudging people to do better behaviour"
Urgh, "better behaviour". Because forrins are intrinsically bad and people born in the UK are all intrinsically good, so employing foreigners is a bad thing that needs to be punished.
People are going to be very disappointed when they realise that making things worse for 'other' people doesn't make things better for 'us'.
The "Britain is open for business, but **** off if you're foreign" sentiment is horrible. And this isn't a move to "the centre", it's a lurch to the right, a long way to the right. Naming and shaming companies for, [b]perfectly legally,[/b] employing people not born here, it's horrible.
No, she is going all the way to the far right.
People love to say the same thing about Le Penn and FN who have many left leaning employment policies, it's almost like they have given up trying to make a rational argument.
May and all those who voted Leave just want the UK to have immigration rules like every other country in the world outside the EU
People love to say the same thing about Le Penn and FN who have many left leaning employment policies, it's almost like they have given up trying to make a rational argument.
You know full well that it is perfectly possible to have some left and some right policies, because there's no single dimensional spectrum. There's at least two.
You KNOW this because it's been discussed on here many times.
Northwind, you will be well aware there are dodgy language schools who's "pupils" are really just looking for a way into the UK to stay and work illegally or maybe get lucky and marry a local so they can apply to stay. We do need to tighten up our immigration/border control processes, I am personally am in favour of full exit checks including for example entrants retaining their entry document which must be presented upon exit as per US etc.
Marine le Pen has tried to divert the FN from the far right but her dad, and her niece are doing their best to keep it there.
May and all those who voted Leave [b]and many of the elected leaders and people of countries in europe [/b]want the UK to have immigration rules like every other country in the world outside the EU [b]but the unelected commissioners in Brussels will not compromise on any element of this as a point of principle [/b]
FTFY
J5m - these unelected commissioners in Brussels where do they come from? Do they just appear or do the elected leaders of countries appoint them?
Singapore brings in many construction workers, they live in dedicated employer provided accommodation
Looks lovely
Instead of trying to emulate Singapore, why don't we just go back to what made the British Empire great in the first place? Conquering, slavery and tea.
On the latter point British Employers rank 22nd in Europe on the amount they invest in training and educating their employees. There is a significant risk to our economy (not least with Brexit) that some of the key labour skills we've attracted from abroad may decide to go somewhere else - leaving us without the skills and capabilities our economy needs.
So what has the EU got to do with business and government in the UK not investing? Now consider that it takes a decade to train a doctor and brexit happens in two.
Now consider that it takes a decade to train a doctor and brexit happens in two.
Solved with a 5yr renewable VISA. Why would a Do for need an upfront permanent lifetime guaranty of residency to take up a Junior Doctor's role ? After 7 years here they can apply for UK citizenship
How many doctors will want to work here knowing that they're likely to have their visa terminated at any given point?
Arrogant England strikes again.
Solved with a 5yr renewable VISA. Why would a Do for need an upfront permanent lifetime guaranty of residency to take up a Junior Doctor's role ? After 7 years here they can apply for UK citizenship
Assuming they are relaxed about being kicked out of the country at a moment's notice on the whim of whichever nutjob is in power.
My Norwegian computer programmer colleague is not very relaxed about the whole thing.
DrJ that's an HDB apartment block, that's what the locals can BUY. They are always oversubscribed. I have an Aussie mate who lives in one by the way in Little India, we always stay with him when we visit. Construction workers live in much simpler temporary accomodation generally fwiw.
As a company we have lost two talented staff members in the immediate aftermath of the vote, which will please Jamba.
Work visa's are typically only cancellable for cause, certainly the case with my US and Singaporean ones.
@oldnpastit well if your Norwegian friend does up sticks I can guaranty you there is a very long line of talented Indian (and Chinese) programmers who'd be very keen to come to the UK to work. I can put you in touch with some of my family members if you like.
What I heard this morning was basically plenty of references to "us" differentiating that from "them" meaning immigrants. What does this mean for immigrants who have [i]already[/i] built a life here for themselves.
Tough application process - education/professional certificates, proof you will bring specific required skills, high earning job to provide taxes
If you lose your job you have 2 weeks to leave (now possible to stay 6 months if you are job hunting)
Any serious crime you are deported after serving any prison time / flogging if required. Note graffiti on a public building is a serious crime
No interferring in political process
No benefits / welfare / health provision
Only rent/buy designated "ex-pat" accomodation which is much more expensive than locals have access too.
If you apply for Permanent Resident status thats a 5 year term
Only a small subset of those things needs to occur for me to be separated from my child. Jamba, does this give you an insight into why people are a bit sensitive over this? Incidentally, had a phone call from the school this morning for a census. Only questions were country of birth and nationality. Can't wait to see what that'll be used for 😥
As Ruth and Theresa's speeches where mentioned here I post them here. Ruth gives Labour a good battering from around 8:20. May of course spoke very strongly of course and of a broad inclusive agenda. Labour are in very big trouble not just becausenof their infighting but becasue in the next 4 years the Tories are going definiteoy occupy the centre ground. Mr Blue Sky indeed.
I really don't want to respond to Jambalaya but it's necessary to counter his post. This is not about those abusing student visas, and quite simply, nobody who knows the first thing about this government's record will say otherwise. Systems are already in place, and widely used, to deal with abuse. They could be stronger, perhaps, but that's not what's being proposed here.
This government's sustained attacks on students and universities have been largely indiscriminate- increasing costs for all overseas students, increasing barriers to entry for all students, and so on. The goal has obviously been to make the UK an obviously less welcoming place for all overseas students, and obviously not aimed at abusers. It's simply impossible to think that these are about visa abuse.
(I'm still not decided whether Amber Rudd's comments on english language proficiency in english language degree courses came from ignorance or willful deceit. If it had been Theresa May, it'd have been deceit. Rudd may possibly be that ignorant. Wait and see.)
It's simple maths- 50% of net immigration comes from students. We have a 100000 target for immigration, and 167000 new student arrivals per year. The stated goal is a catastrophic reduction in the overseas student population. This would cost the UK economy billions of pounds in direct benefit alone from fees and spending, and a terrible loss of influence worldwide, but far more important would be the wholesale loss of [i]institutions[/i] that would follow, with incalculable loss to the UK.
And to make something really clear; Rudd talks about linking student visa policy to the "quality of the institution"- when this has been previously discussed, that has meant "Oxbridge and the Russell Group". We're not talking about limitations for the low end here, we're talking about nothing but the elites.
But hey, apparently the UK is open for business.
Jamby in not sure how far right you have to be too think that grammar schools, replacing foreign doctors with British ones and demonising immigrants and foreign students is centrist.....
If that's the centre then 😯
Also who are the elites that were supposed to be out to get now..
@jamba... Theresa May is not inclusive in the notion of the whole of society. Listen to her words...all she ever talks about is people who are working. She never mentions those who aren't e.g. less-abled people. At best she is only inclsusive regards the working population and even then she's on very shaky ground.
What a lovely person we have as leader of our country... disgraceful attitude to take towards those less fortunate for no fault of their owm.
Singapore has been a massive success commercially. There is a small portion of the local population who don't like the "one party state" overtones but none of them want the economic success or political freedoms of Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia their immediate neighbours, how about Burma ?Singapore has about 50% locals, 50% temporary immigrants. Some feautures of Singapore
Tough application process - education/professional certificates, proof you will bring specific required skills, high earning job to provide taxes
If you lose your job you have 2 weeks to leave (now possible to stay 6 months if you are job hunting)
Any serious crime you are deported after serving any prison time / flogging if required. Note graffiti on a public building is a serious crime
No interferring in political process
No benefits / welfare / health provision
Only rent/buy designated "ex-pat" accomodation which is much more expensive than locals have access too.
If you apply for Permanent Resident status thats a 5 year termSingapore brings in many construction workers, they live in dedicated employer provided accommodation
Seriously, you're seriously posting that as an example of something we should aspire to?
I suppose banning women from driving mught help relieve pressure on the roads to?
Jesus H Christ! It's unbelievable how anyone could think that that is a reasonable way to live or treat other people. I can see why you think Trump is a harmless pussycat now.
Will our new blue passports have Subject crossed out and replaced by Employee?
Will our new blue passports have Subject crossed out and replaced by Employee?
don't you mean serf?
Solved with a 5yr renewable VISA.
You think coming on a visa is the same as coming because you have the right to come?
I've taken jobs in two different countries, and all I had to do was pass the interview. No red tape.
The other problem with work permit visas is that if you lose your job you have to go home. Which is pretty bad if you've built a life in a place and have family, kids, they have friends and so on.
Captain I post it as an example of a policy which I am familiar and one which is popular with it's citizens where 50% of the population are immigrants on short-medium term visas. I am not saying it's a model just an example.
Kimbers May made a very good point about Grammar schools. People with the money to go Private can choose academically selective schools and the majority do exactly that. People without the money have no choice as the law forbids them to have that choice. Corbyn is going to be on dodgy ground campaigning against grammar schools in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham and Newcastle.
The other problem with work permit visas is that if you lose your job you have to go home. Which is pretty bad if you've built a life in a place and have family, kids, they have friends and so on.
Not in Jamba's eyes. He lacks empathy, he won't understand that argument.
It's pointless even trying.
Molgrips, I have had two jobs in countries with visas and in both cases there where options / mechanisms to stay if I lost my job. There should be some red tape, the employer should demonstrate you are adding value and that there is not a local person who could do / is available to do the job. Australian system works just like that, sometimes they want PhD's, sometimes they want tradesmen and they vary requirements by region / state. Oz takes twice as many immigrants pa as does the UK and they have 1/3rd the population. They seem to manage just fine
Told you, no empathy just another example from JambaWorld.
He'll be telling us that some of his best friends are foreigners next. 😀
Northwind - Member
... and a terrible loss of influence worldwide, ...
Influence? Please don't please ... oh Lord here comes troubles.
Hmmm is it
Reichsfrauenführerin May or die Führerin ?
panem et circenses
I really hope it is this.
DrJ that's an HDB apartment block, that's what the locals can BUY. They are always oversubscribed. I have an Aussie mate who lives in one by the way in Little India, we always stay with him when we visit. Construction workers live in much simpler temporary accomodation generally fwiw.
You apparently didn't read the article. Surprise.
You are jumping to conclusions......... its entirely possible he failed to understand it 😉
There should be some red tape, the employer should demonstrate you are adding value and that there is not a local person who could do / is available to do the job. Australian system works just like that
The Australian system blocks a lot of awfully capable migrants, for a variety of reasons.
Oz takes twice as many immigrants pa as does the UK and they have 1/3rd the population. They seem to manage just fine.
LOL
big_n_daft - Member
listening to the snapshots on the radio news I'd say she has THM's online persona down to a "T"
Are you big?
Only caught a brief part of Mays speech. It's was very very odd and full of contradictions. She stated that Conservatives were supporters of capitalism and free markets and then immediately spent 5 minutes talking about the important (?) role of the state and produced a long list of where she was going to intervene. No wonder people are so confused about what capitalism is. NW I now understand your problem.
Seems she is being smart and scary at the same time. On the one hand she is parking the bus firmly in the middle. But at the same time she has targeted the white working class vote as the swing factor and is happy to pander to their baser desires in contrast to Jezza's pro immigration, anti monarchy and anti military stance
I guess she is relying on the fact that the great British public will not see through the blatant contradictions.
chewkw - MemberInfluence? Please don't please ... oh Lord here comes troubles.
It's actually a pretty big deal... There's english-speaking graduates with fond memories of the UK and a good cultural understanding all around the world and some are in very influential positions. It's a totally unquantifiable asset but it's certainly a positive.
The Australian system blocks a lot of awfully capable migrants, for a variety of reasons.
because they have an even more capable applicant ?
DrJ, that's a fair point. I got bored after the first paragraph. The Singaporeans are pretty functional about workers accomodation, they point out it's better than they have in their home countries and the wages are higher than they'd get at home too.
Northwind, appreciate it's your choice whether to bother but it's valuable to have your point of view on this topic in particular
Tax. Appreciate this is not a Theresa May thread but I very much hope she uses Brexit and stepping away from the giant tax scam that is the EU to deliver on this .. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks, Apple included
if you’re a tax dodger we’re coming after you..If you’re an accountant, a financial adviser or a middleman who helps people to avoid what they owe to society, we’re coming after you too
There should be some red tape, the employer should demonstrate you are adding value and that there is not a local person who could do / is available to do the job.
What if the local person COULD do the job but isn't as good as the foreigner? You'd still have to give it to the local? Wouldn't this reduce business performance and competitiveness?
I think we will have already lost a lot of potential good quality workers.
Tax. Appreciate this is not a Theresa May thread but I very much hope she uses Brexit and stepping away from the giant tax scam that is the EU to deliver on this .. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks, Apple included
But they're only using the law to their own advantage. They're not doing anything illegal. We can't use different argument on different threads to suit ourselves.
What would Donald do?
because they have an even more capable applicant ?
Sometimes. Other times it's because migrating is very expensive, very complex, time consuming for the applicant, insecure, age dependant, health dependant and the system is slow to react.
Northwind - Member
chewkw - Member
Influence? Please don't please ... oh Lord here comes troubles.
It's actually a pretty big deal... There's english-speaking graduates with fond memories of the UK and a good cultural understanding all around the world and some are in very influential positions. It's a totally unquantifiable asset but it's certainly a positive
Yes, educate them in treating animal nicely. Educate them not to eat everything in sight. Have mercy on the animals. Educate them in looking after their environment. Trade with them etc ...
But let them deal with their own people themselves and certainly avoid messing with their politics. i.e. avoid the example of the outgoing US President disrespectfully criticising a sovereign state.
Yay, chewkw is back. It was good when you were banned, it meant I didn't have to read your incoherent drivel.
Some horrific points in the Guardian's post-Brexit May article.
Tax. Appreciate this is not a Theresa May thread but I very much hope she uses Brexit and stepping away from the giant tax scam that is the EU to deliver on this .. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Starbucks, Apple included
Even by the convoluted logical standards of Brexiteers, there is quite some mental gymnastics here. Companies get away with tax avoidance by arbitraging between different tax regimes. The only solution is a coordinated one. Brexit makes that much harder and plays into the hands of the avoiders not the other way round.
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[quote=teamhurtmore ]I guess she is relying on the fact that the great British public will not see through the blatant contradictions.
Well it's the reason she's PM, so she might as well run with it.
Brexit makes that much harder and plays into the hands of the avoiders not the other way round.
Quite. I seem to remember a few weeks ago the EU taking Apple to task. Can you imagine the British government doing that with any sort of conviction ?
The evidence doesn't doesn't stack up to support Jambalaya's argument.
TMH there will NEVER be a co-ordinated one. Even when Ireland was bust they refused to budge. Luxembourg under Junker turned itself into Europe's richest nation via tax swerves. Even if you harmonise rates of tax there are a million loopholes. Irish tax is 12.5% but Apple paid 1% and we all remember the PWC Lux leak, hundreds if not thousands of cosy deals. Companies well know they can play one EU state against another. Irleand and Lux are kore than happy to collect £10m even if that means the rest of the EU loses out on a £ billion.
Quite. I seem to remember a few weeks ago the EU taking Apple to task
Hardly, EU has ignored these deals for years, they have been shamed into it by the PWC leak (and Lux courrs took the two whistleblowers to court 😯 ) and when as a result €300m of past tax was colelcted in Lux as a result
@Captain you will recall I called the US loss carry forwrd stupid. I am consistent. Trump would do just as Apple etc do. That's why the law needs changing and is one reason why "full access to the single market" is a bad idea.
There is a vested interest here, we need to pay for the services we want. All of these companies are putting UK businesses under as they have a tax advantage.
Well then the issue will not go away. That's simple You said it yourself, companies play states off against each other. This makes that more not less likely.
Another Brexit clusterfu@@
as if the uk government is going to upset businesses even more by changing tax laws .
" we are open for business , but you have to pay more tax "
not going to happen .
But they need us more than we need them....
The evidence doesn't doesn't stack up to support Jambalaya's argument.
Indeed
https://www.ft.com/content/b4b66986-77fa-11e5-933d-efcdc3c11c89
,Hardly, EU has ignored these deals for years
You need to demonstrate without the EU (given the Apple precedent) how it would be better?
I genuinely don't understand your argument. It seems to defy what has happened recently. And using the [i]fact[/i] that the EU ignored this or that previously doesn't cut it for me. It's not a counter argument.
Can you imagine the British government doing that with any sort of conviction ?
Ask a diesel VW owner how effectively the UK government is chasing up their compensation...
Rone - according to the BS philosophy, if in doubt blame the EU. It's a faultless tactic - 51% of us swallowed it.
Amazed no one though of blaming others before, especially foreigners.
as if the uk government is going to upset businesses even more by changing tax laws .
Listen to what May said. Apple, Amazon, eBay, Facebook, Google even Starbucks (who at oeast have people working in shops) add very little value to the UK, all they do is sell products into the UK
TMH there won't be agreement as everyone will fight over the taxes including US and it ends up with them being paid nowhere. It's either a change in corporate tax law or more VAT. FT is behind a paywall and I don't play internet link tennis anyway
rone the EU has done the square root of f-all. Osbourne got £100m out of Google, the French are going for closer to a € billion
I do accept the Government may fail to deliver as I wish on this but May's words where at least encouraging.
@Nipper Merkel amd Hollande face elections, talking tough is required for their domestic agenda. I assume you've seen the German car Unions statements urging a deal. They also need to work out how they will raise taxes/cut spending in Germnay to raise the extra €5bn pa EU budget contribution they have to find. If EU won't negotiate let them try a few years with WTO tariffs. TBH they are going to be too distracted with Refugee crises and eurozone soveriegn debt crises to focus on anything else.
I honestly think all of this is too complex to assimilate and bat out so we were always going to take the path of least resistance. That is, like you say blame the minorities.
Listening to any questions last week in Boston, Linc's - the debate became so convoluted between left and right, unemployment and low wages that I forgot the argument and decided it must just be eaiser to blame the poor leak pickers.
Listen to what May said. Apple, Amazon, eBay, Facebook, Google even Starbucks (who at oeast have people working in shops) add very little value to the UK, all they do is sell products into the UK
I have the text on the screen in front of me - cant see these comments anywhere!!
TMH there won't be agreement as everyone will fight over the taxes including US and it ends up with them being paid nowhere. It's either a change in corporate tax law or more VAT. FT is behind a paywall and I don't play internet link tennis anyway
So what is you argument then - that the UK is going to deal with this unilaterally? Put that in the £350m drawer
Ask a diesel VW owner how effectively the UK government is chasing up their compensation...
UK Govt powerless, its an EU law issue. I have made this point a number if times before.
Hopefully we can get proper on-the-road testing and repeat that as cars age and adjust VED accordingly. We should move to petrol/hybrid and tax diesel heavily to reflect real world pollution. There have been many studies showing city pollution increasing even though cars are allegedly cleaner. The culprit is diesel which in practice is far dirtier than the test says
Jambalaya, those businesses have no need to be UK based at all. What is stopping them from moving their UK offices some where else?
rone the EU has done the square root of f-all. Osbourne got £100m out of Google
Aren't Apple being smacked for 13 billion?
FT is behind a paywall
A small price to pay to avoid making unsubstantiated claims - I recommend it
The comments below the articles make this place seem tame at times
Why did they feel pressurised into tackling an issue in ireland from a leak related to Luxembourg?EU has ignored these deals for years, they have been shamed into it by the PWC leak
More worryingly for your suggestion is the problem that the EU started investigating Apple in september 2014 and the leaks came out in November 2014.
You dont have spout some untruths and gibberish oin here
Facts wrong
reasoning deeply deeply flawed
- They will stop recruiting doctors whose training was paid for by other countries ..many of which are poorer than the UK and themselves have less doctors per head of population
- They will welcome with open arms people who want to come here solely for the purpose of accessing education but will not welcome those who are really coming here for other reasons
- They will make sure the proven abuses by some employers are dealt with - and also force employers to invest more in training.
My wife graduated from a respected university, top of her class in Economics. It was already impossible for her to find a job after she graduated so we had to go down the marriage visa route to stay together. The attack on students is rhetorical, designed as others have said to reduce overall numbers - the abusers were mostly dealt with by the previous administration.
Kimbers is right - this feels like the 1930's.
.UK Govt powerless, its an EU law issue. I have made this point a number if times before
Why can't the DfT prosecute?
A degree in Economics is not easy to find a job regardless of where you are in the world. In the far east Economics degree is usually studied by govt sponsored students (govt people). They get to study Economics in preparation to become future advisors etc. Privately funded individuals would prefer Accounting & Finance or any science related degree. Even a degree management related is much better. I think most of the Economics graduates I know are either working for their own parents or end up as teachers at schools.Tom_W1987 - Member
My wife graduated from a respected university, top of her class in Economics.
A degree in Economics is not easy to find a job regardless of where you are in the world. In the far east Economics degree is usually studied by govt sponsored students (govt people). They get to study Economics in preparation to become future advisors etc. Privately funded individuals would prefer Accounting & Finance or any science related degree. Even a degree management related is much better. I think most of the Economics graduates I know are either working for their own parents or end up as teacher at schools.
She's working a 40k job in Finance - despite only graduating in 2014 - but cheers - it wasn't impossible for her to get interviews, it was impossible to get a tier 2.
Jambalaya, those businesses have no need to be UK based at all. What is stopping them from moving their UK offices some where else?
We make it a legal requiremt to be based here and route their profits through a UK company. We are perfectly entitied once we are out of the EU to make it so.
TMH I wonder if the FT has the same offshore tax arrangements as the Guardian ? Vested Interest ? Haven't read the Ft since the dire standard of their reporting on the credit crises. It's just a big tabloid on pink paper.
@rome yes its back taxes as Apple where paying 1% not the 12.5% they where supposed to. I believe Apple puts 60% of its international profits through Ireland. In my book Apple has swerved something like €40bn in European taxes by routing through Ireland instead of UK, France, Germany etc where the real sales took place and where corporate taxes are much higher.
Tom we are adopting the same practices as Canada, Australia and the US. If that's your idea of the 1930's then so be it
We make it a legal requiremt to be based here and route their profits through a UK company. We are perfectly entitied once we are out of the EU to make it so.
Have you got a flag?
TMH I wonder if the FT has the same offshore tax arrangements as the Guardian ? Vested Interest ?
What does that have to do with the article or the points under discussion?
Haven't read the Ft since the dire standard of their reporting on the credit crises.
That is very clear eg, misunderstanding of UK exposure to Greece and the facts behind our last support package.
It's just a big tabloid on pink paper.
I see. Perhaps I will need to simply make stuff up in future.
Tom we are adopting the same practices as Canada, Australia and the US. If that's your idea of the 1930's then so be it
Canada allows students to work, Canadas points based immigration policy is a joke - I could get through it even without a job offer and I'm a lazy arsehole - the UK is harder. Get your facts straight.
And if you think that the US is a shining beacon of right wing sanity, it isn't - it's dangerously close to turning Starship Troopers into a documentary. I see may wants to take us down that route as well by setting up 150 new cadet forces (read brownshirts) - so now we get to have US style militarism as well. Next up, public lynchings when people fail to standup when the national anthem is played at every single ****ing sporting match.
**** it though, at least joining some kind of British Edelweißpiraten will give me a cause to latch onto - for the first time ever.
We make it a legal requiremt to be based here and route their profits through a UK company. We are perfectly entitied once we are out of the EU to make it so.
Have yo ever worked for a company that failed to follow these principles? Or more than one even? 😉
Tom_W1987 - Member
She's working a 40k job in Finance - despite only graduating in 2014 - but cheers - it wasn't impossible for her to get interviews, it was impossible to get a tier 2.
That is strange. 40K a year? In sterling pounds in the UK or currency in other country? She is more than qualified if that is the case (earning UK £/Euro) but if that is salary outside of EU/UK then it amounts to nothing no matter what amount, unless you want to invest min £200,000K in the UK.
Getting interview is one thing, getting [b][u]a job offer[/u][/b] from "UK employer with a valid Tier 2 sponsorship licence" is much harder. Most companies will give you an interview to make up the quota regardless of where you come from. Getting an offer is very much harder.
On top of that before the job is offered it must pass The Resident Labour Market Test - EU/EEA & UK. (not for Tier 2 Shortage Occupations List)
It has nothing to do with tier 2 - it has everything to do with the job offer (from employer with sponsorship licence) and the salary level must reach certain level (can remember what now).
My friend faced the same situation but eventually she got a job but it was closed. She is a scientist and they pay her well.
She just have to keep applying and cast her net wider (in other fields). Eventually she will find an employer that value her to help her. Good luck.
No, you won't pass the Resident Labour Market Test being a fresh graduate - which was the point of my post. May and Rudd are full of shit, there are not hoardes of international students getting opportunities to take British jobs.
She's on that, because she scored insanely highly - consistently throughout the three years of her degree and because she got a lot of interest once we got the marriage visa, landing a job with a rather secretive hedge fund. She was then poached by another firm - all in the space of a year. However before she had the marriage visa, the first thing she was always told was "we won't sponsor you".
It used to be easier in the 80s or 90s with work permit from UK govt but in the last 20 years or so it got harder because of the EU exerting it's employment law (many employers turn me down due to this - interviews plenty but offer no). This is because EU refused to let non-EU people get a job in EU unless the employers are willing to jump through the hoops with the applicants.Tom_W1987 - Member
However before she had the marriage visa, the first thing she was always told was "we won't sponsor you".
Nothing to do with UK I am afraid. Been there done that. The EU rules make it harder for British companies to hire non-EU people. All my friends face the same problems. I can assure you without the EU bureaucrats British Companies will hire people from all over the world left right and centre. They want the Best for their business!