Its all been largely blue on blue as they tried to out hate , out fear and out negative each other.
Basically they did their standard election /referendum tacticNo one thinks its been a decent debate whatever way we will be /have voted
This. It's amused me all along to see many of the Brexit mob moaning about dodgy Dave's tactics when they seemed perfectly happy with exactly same approach during the last election!
Should we have a referendum on banning referenda?
You realise that if we PR then the UKIP would have many more seats :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281
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[quote=igm ]Should we have a referendum on [s]banning referenda[/s] what is the plural of referendum?
referenda is to referendum as veranda is to verandum
But we've always had the ability to look at situations objectively and make decisions withought being swayed by silly notions of sentiment
L O L !
Funniest thing I've heard all campaign!
@matt no surprises there, your thread more popular than mine 😉 a year ago it was started 😯 I guessed it would be a 2017 Referendum
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/stw-2017-eu-inout-referendum-thread ]linky[/url]
we speak english not latin, referendums is fine, same as forums.
swayed by silly notions of sentiment - which is what alot of the Remain side has relied upon.
You have to be joking? That's been the leave side through and through. All the gubbins about taking back control and making Britain great again. The Remain side had the back of facts and as far as I could see didn't need to play the sentiment card.
matt_outandabout -
After starting this thread, I suppose I had better throw my hat into the ring.
I'm glad I saw this post. 🙂
I will take the risk of UKIP having more seats if it means that we get a representative parliament.
I blame the coverage in the mediums for this bad pluralisation.
The blue on blue has been quite nasty, for a while it seemed that Cameron had kept a lid on it all, but when IDS, Gove and of course Borris started using this as a career move in earnest it got very dirty
The mayoral election saw parade of racist attacks from the very heart of Tory government.
Vote leave have been happy to capitalise on some very unpleasant racist rhetoric from farige and co. and skirted very close to the line themselves, done nothing about the warning signs of the far right embracing their cause and the consequences of this have been tragic.
In or Out this Referendum has damaged the country
after the last few weeks, whatever happens, I just want to live in a world where I never ever ever have to listen to the 3 words 'take back control' ever again. I've started to develop a twitch when I hear them.
I'd happily disembowel the next person to utter it, and gleefully hurl their entrails into a fire pit
Let's be honest.... it's nothing more than they deserve
it's going to be fun watching the 'you reap what you sow' outcome over the next 5 - 10 years time
Well you are spot on this time. The "told you so" arguments will continue for sure and if past trends are anything to go by the EU and foreigners will continue to be scapegoats for anything that goes wrong. There is plenty of form...
Oh well, only 4 mins left....
In or Out this Referendum has damaged the country
Yes and no. It's been a poor show for sure, but it has also allowed us to look deeper into the mirror and observe what our society is really like. It was not a pleasant picture. Perhaps we might learn from it?
Good luck everybody...
Oh well, only 4 mins left....
Yea, and we can then finally close this thread 😆
In or Out this Referendum has damaged the country
Well it hasn't been pretty, that's for sure.
Possibly it might lead to some form of meaningful change (in or out). However, the most likely outcome (if we vote in) is nothing happens as the Tory Party spend the next 2 years fighting a civil war.....
BONG x10
personally I think the, proper, tory leadership contest is gonny be a right old laugh!
shooty in for corbyn!
Kids joke from FB
Apparently Raheem Stirling was unable to vote ......he can't put a cross in the box.
IGMC
Good luck everybody...
Should we all hold hands or something?
It's the contradictions that make English such a great language! 🙂igm - Member
I blame the coverage in the mediums for this bad pluralisation.
Irrespective of the result, I'd sincerely hope for a major rethink of our society and democratic values and process.
Some truly despicable aspects of British life have been laid bare, including the naked ambitions of supposedly mainstream politicians who conveniently ignored the fact that neo-nazis were doing their bidding.
- FPTP - I know, we had a referendum on this, but it was half hearted / half arsed. Maintaining the status quo with the current Westminster set up is a disservice to the Nation. I'm pretty confident UKIP's vote would drop off. It's a protest vote against a system that doesn't work. The likes of LibDems, Greens, SNP and Plaid have shown themselves capable to work together with others. I don't feel that UKIP would be well suited to that sort of politics, so their role in any sort of coalition is unlikely to be constructive (& therefore, short lived)
- Political "marketing" - the rules on this utter bollocks had to be tightened up. So much at stake over today's vote. Utter disgrace
- Broadcasting balance. UKIP have been allowed to dominate this debate for this vote and at the GE. Farage hasn't even got a seat. THEY ARE NOT ONE OF THE MAJOR PARTIES - FFS STOP TREATING THEM LIKE THEY ARE 👿 TBH, the broadcasters treated the "schism" in the out vote as if there were three parties - here's and intervie with VoteLeave, here's an interview with Remain and here's an interview with Nige the racist...
- Nut jobs. FFS, let's shut off the oxygen / sunlight / toxic political & social environment that gives the right wing extremists any sort of platform. I don't believe in censorship, so this has to be a case of exposing them for what they are.
Even if you speak Latin, it is not referenda. I did post on this earlier and frankly I think it is probably one of the more important issues.
Soooo. What's next? Scottish Independence v2?
think an in result kills that for a good long while tbh.
though if england/wales is out and scotland/ni cause an in it gets interesting.
yougov poll, in win 52/48.
personally I think the, proper, tory leadership contest is gonny be a right old laugh!
On the other hand, how is it going to be for Labour if huge swathes of the heartlands vote against the leadership?
BBC reporting Farage admits remain may have edged it
Borris claimed to have conceded according to twitter
Should we all hands or something?
I certainly am. 🙂
I certainly am
That's not my hand.
How can they know at this point?
Farage says UKIP are going nowhere.
Think we can all agree on that one.
They can't. It's just guesswork.
Bookies had remain at 1/7 earlier, so probably just going off the general vibe of the thing.
Edit: 1/12.
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Look don't bring me down THM completely unfounded rumours mean I go to happy, even if I get a crushing blow when I get up tomorrow
I don't have a major problem with the campaigns, the British people are more than capable of reaching an informed decision - noone's thought process is better than anyone else's.
[url= http://www.britishfuture.org/articles/let-the-people-decide/ ]A good summary here.[/url]
Should we all hands or something?
WHat do you want
[s]We shall over come
Kumbaya my lord
Sleep in
dirty protest
What ?[/s]
**** it I got it
Europe the final countdown...it has to be
FLashy to the thread we have some hair metal for your delectation
BBC reporting Farage admits remain may have edged it
Sky had it first as always on election night - BBC are slow.
I posted way ^^^^^, that I wondered whether Boris was Dave's stooge and they'd cut a deal on the leadership.
Long way to go yet to see a result and I won't believe it until I see it. To my mind, did Boris and Gove do a bung on Tuesday? Boris was utterly unconvincing in the debate - came across as a lightweight against Khan, O'Grady and especially Davidson, Farron skewered Gove on "experts", to the point that he even apologised.
I thought they put down their weapons...
Sorry Kimbers - dorm bien!
That's not my hand.
Golden opportunity missed to run the old "where's your hand?"/"Between two pillows"/"those aren't pillows" Planes Trains And Automobiles skit. 🙁
How can they know at this point?
JHJ to the forum
JHJ to the forum
How can they know at this point?
Nobody knows, it's that simple
IDS making interesting point on the fact that turnout of 'normally don't vote' is remarkably high and makes prediction impossible.
Supposedly Boris has conceded already...
But who knows...
