Saw a nice idiot Facebook thread full of brexit fans talking about riots. They were simultaneously saying of course there won't be riots if we leave we're British and we don't do that sort of thing but if we don't leave then you can expect riots.
Unfortunately, May today has said that she will fast-track them as there is no need for scrutiny.. this makes me very worried.
short of rubber stamping there isn't the time, hundreds of bits of paper even without scrutiny take time to write.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the major withdrawal act has not been revealed in any form yet.
short of rubber stamping there isn’t the time, hundreds of bits of paper even without scrutiny take time to write.
I'm amazed nobody had pointed out that was likely....
Unfortunately, May today has said that she will fast-track them as there is no need for scrutiny.. this makes me very worried.
short of rubber stamping there isn’t the time, hundreds of bits of paper even without scrutiny take time to write.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the major withdrawal act has not been revealed in any form yet.
I don't actually reckon she gives a chuff , there's probably a masterplan we haven't seen yet to override the lot
Wasn't she the one trying to bring in special powers to surveillance any member of the UK population?
I don’t actually reckon she gives a chuff , there’s probably a masterplan we haven’t seen yet to override the lot
Wasn’t she the one trying to bring in special powers to surveillance any member of the UK population?
Whilst im not cynical at all, and don’t own a tin foil hat..
You have a point.
As has been pointed out elsewhere the major withdrawal act has not been revealed in any form yet.
She's been at it since the word go. If she put as much effort into finding solutions to the countries problems as she did in avoiding any scrutiny and oversight by all means possible, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place
Brexit was always a power grab by the executive. And she's always acted like a tinpot dictator. All she needs is some gold epaulets and some nice shiny medals she'd awarded herself. I reckon she'd quite relish the opportunity to put troops on the streets and declare Martial Law.
These are strange times indeed - pretty sure at any other point in history, Chris Grayling would've resigned/been sacked by now.
Quick question, does our parliamentary procedures allow the government to ask the house to vote on the same question twice? i.e. if May gets nothing new from the EU can she ask them to vote again on her deal even though it's been rejected once already.
Thanks.
My understanding is: technically no, but anything is possible in extreme circumstances.
So yes, at the moment...
My guess is she'll knock the vote back, coming up with the usual 'dog ate my homework' cobblers, until 11.55pm on the 28th March
She might wait 'till Monday the 1st April.
Which MP wouldn't vote in favour of "any" Withdrawl Agreement that took us back under the umbrella of the EU for a period of time, in that situation? Except the ERG&DUP perhaps.
No idea if that would legally and constitutionally be possible… but that wouldn't stop May.
She might wait ’till Monday the 1st April.
If she doesn't present it somebody will - if she toys with them enough that should be it for her. There are enough to force her to do something. All this BS about being strong and seeing it through must be getting a few tories riled up - especially those in remain areas. They know she is finished after March so owe her no loyalty especially if it looks like a lunatic taking over.
Just thinking we're getting close to the latest that a no confidence motion could be heard before its too late to change anything. I know she'd get 14 days before they need a general election, but even then there would need to be a vote to delay a50 as well, and the eu would need to agree to a delay. With the eu summit on 22 March I guess that means a successful no confidence vote before the end of February otherwise she can just ride the burning wreck into the ground.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1095325385510793217
not quite sure what to say. illegal to pass the legislation, without passing more legislationn first, and no time.
So it's back to crash out or stay? That makes a bit of a difference. What chance of election do you have as a tory with reports of food shortages and medicine rations? Massive hit to the pound and more?
Anyone thought about what they're going to do in the event of no deal
Even the news aren't leading with brexit no more
Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal
Honestly I have permanent residency back in Oz for a few more years, if it gets dicey that is an option. I will be seeing what goes on with work and how it effects out clients and hence my work.
Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal
Carry on as now. Pay a bit more for stuff that is imported but other than that nothing for me to worry about. Clearly many won't be that lucky.
I’ve figured out what Leadsom’s superpower is.
Complacency. She just bleats, her stupid gerbil eyes peering out and genuinely thinking she’s ‘got it’, she knows what is going on.
She’s utterly inept, as is May and they are being marched (along with the rest of us) to the cliff edge by a bunch of political lightweights who have been emboldened by being allowed to get away with too much for too long.
Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal
Yes - will have to find out about booking plane tickets so I can visit my wife (damned forriner) on the weekends.
I’ve figured out what Leadsom’s superpower is.
Complacency.
That seems to be a defining characteristic of the May government. Grayling is the best example, his silly grinning face on the front of a totally empty skull.
My guess is she’ll knock the vote back, coming up with the usual ‘dog ate my homework’ cobblers, until 11.55pm on the 28th March
I think that's been clear for a while - using the dysfunctional procedures of our moribund parliament to prevent any proper discussion of alternatives or decision in a rational way. I'm almost hoping for a no deal so the whole f'ing place burns down.
The Maybot has form when it comes to tight deadlines. DRIPA 2014 was rushed through in the same manner as she's trying to rush the WA through..
‘Overheard’ in a bar...
So Britain's negociator has totally lost sight of the fact he needs the unanimous agreement of 27 countires to extend Art. 50 and I can think of a couple who have good reason to not play ball unless bribed. Dick.
and that an extension needs the UK to either get rid of red lines or cough up something else.
I’m afraid that idiots have been given examples of specious reasoning to justify their idiotic conclusions – glib phrases like “well, it’s just a theory”
"Project Fear"
Dave down the pub’s problem is invariably he does not have the intellect or educative experience to appreciate what a dumbf*** he is on a subject or how useless his source material is.
Well documented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Saw a nice idiot Facebook thread full of brexit fans talking about riots.
Let them. It'll be about a dozen gammons shouting at people until opening time.
Brexit was always a power grab by the executive.
Of course. Demonstrably by the fact that the first thing the Tories did post-referendum was fall into a court case to attempt to usurp power from parliament. "Take back control."
Re delaying A50 - if Europe won’t agree a delay, we can revoke & re-trigger.
Anyone thought about what they’re going to do in the event of no deal
Campaign for Scottish Independence
French newspaper are saying the only extension you will get is up to EU elections in May .
The way it is going , I doubt the UK will have made much progress by then .
https://www.flickr.com/photos/169636755@N07/32133720787/in/dateposted-public/
t least Mark Carney is on side
Any extension would be shorter than that.
Faced with a cliff edge MPs will back Mays deal.
May just needs enough time to rubber stamp through whatever repressive & shoddy legislation she needs (her time at home office, last 2.5yrs of avoiding any scrutiny of Brexit & lie after lie after lie- indicate that's exactly what she will do)
Then resign & call an early GE in May.
The legacy of the rushed through legislation will be a problem for someone else.
Or we get a No deal & get to watch MPs spend a decade arguing over which rights we will give away to secure trade deals & keep manufacturers here
Re delaying A50 – if Europe won’t agree a delay, we can revoke & re-trigger.
In theory yes but in practice whether that would get past the courts is a different matter. After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.
I cant see the EU, if given some hope it would help, challenging an extension. After all whilst it will hurt the UK a lot more a hard brexit will be rather unpleasant for the the EU. Its just whether they have any confidence that the extension will change things which is the concerning thing. I wouldnt have currently since the maybot is dancing to the ERG and DUP wishes whilst the more sensible tories are letting love of the tories override telling her to get her act in order.
In theory yes but in practice whether that would get past the courts is a different matter. After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.
Courts have said we can revoke as we want, just not dick about and use it to haggle.
Courts have said we can revoke as we want, just not dick about and use it to haggle.
we can revoke, and the eu does have a nuclear option of expelling a member. So revoking and then pissing about isn't going to go down well.
After all there is nothing clear about revoking article 50.
(Checks rulings) … looks very clear to me.
I suspect we'd need a new PM for that to take place though. And there is no time left for that. We're all May's bitches for now.
And, rescinding and then triggering again (sooner rather than later) would result in even less trust in the UK worldwide.
If we rescind, realistically it'll be after the next election 'till we could trigger again. But then… if we go ahead and leave now… we still won't have resolved our new position by the next election anyway. That's going to be a messy campaign, and Brexit obsessed, no matter what we do this year…
Just a reminder that grayling is only still a minister coz of Brexit
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1095305351589695488?s=19
Presumably the above document just refers to the 40 or so existing trade agreements with the EU that we are currently part of, and getting agreement to carry on as before. No more and no less. However, I also guess, that any of these agreements that we can agree to carry on with will be dependent upon nothing changing from how it is now. So should we choose to diverge on regulations from those currently agreed, say for example we approve the use of GM crops or hormones in beef (so that we can cut a deal with the US) then all those agreements are up for renegotiation. In other words, to keep them longer term as is, without renegotiation, basically means we continue to align exactly with actual EU rules and regs?
Or am I missing something here?
That appears to be a fair assessment.
This tries to explain what the Swiss agreement looks to be - carry on as usual for the transition period. Doesn't apply in the case of no-deal.
It's written by a trade expert though, so you can instantly dismiss it by shouting 'GATT Article XXIV!' if you so desire.
https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/2019/02/12/uk-and-swiss-trade-post-brexit
So Olly Robbins has been overheard saying the vote will be Mays deal or extending article 50
Its just more can-kicking though, isn't it? It'll resolve absolutely nothing. The Tory party will carry on having an internal war with itself but not actually getting anywhere, and the labour party will sit impotently watching on, while Jeremy daydreams of his fantasy Socialist Brexit (Sexit?)
I wonder if Theresa is simply trying to bore everyone into submission with an eternal groundhog day, like a sort of political Jose Mourhino
