Yes, and only an hour ago you were ranting on about how predictable it is that they wouldn’t. Crystal ball need a bit of a clean?
Not really. He's nothing if not consistent. Consistently shit! Have a think about it? This is the f first useful thing that the labour leader has done in years is grudgingly accept an amendment from one of his own backbenchers? Perhaps Kier threatened to resign again?
See the John McDonnell HARDTalk interview I linked to… this approach has been on the cards for a while… support a short delay… because all options, even no deal, require it now. Cooper's longer extension is required if we're to change who is agreeing the WA, or if we're to have a general election or a referendum… all of which are in some weird way Labour policy… so they should really support a longer extension… but then the questions turns back to what the longer extension is for…
Drac, that's Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP, Tory Eurosceptic and granddaughter of Dr and Mme. Francois Bougarel, of Chateauroux, France. Hopefully, she's stockpiling the fois gras and cavier whilst we can eat cake. We need a hypocrisy barometer.
Yup the very same.
OK, next dumb question... many of these amendments today (some of which will not be heard and few of which will be passed) seem to rely on an extension of Article 50. What happens if the EU say no to that? I guess the default is still out with no deal on March 29th but do any of the (credible) amendments have anything built in for if/when they say no?
Hang on, so if the cooper amendemnt is acccepted and passes, may goes back to EU and gets told to sod off again over the backstop, MPs vote for an extension...
But the EU won't allow an extension unless for an election or 2nd ref...
It can only come down to a binary question.. no deal, or retract a50...?
^ that's what I thought - I hear the Cooper amendment "takes No Deal off the table" but how exactly?
Bercow selects Corbyn, Blackford, Grieve, Cooper, Reeves, Spelman, Brady amendments.... so the important debates are on, seven potential votes, altho those MP s putting them forward could withdraw them at any point
The amendments all come down to the goodwill of the EU 27 to allow them and it seems to me that the EU27 are now accepting that there will be a no deal exit, which will be a financial blip for them and a disaster for us.
The voting after 7:00pm tonight may very well decide the fate of the UK.
European goodwill is running out, not the politicians, the electorate. Before the referendum about 60% of the French thought Brexit a bad idea. After the vote it went to 38% in favour 32% against. Differnt questions but you get the idea. I haven't been able to find any recent polls perhaps for the good reason that in the current political climate European politicians would rather not know - because they know.
Macron now knows that going easy on the UK will compound his problems with the RN and gilets jaunes, Merkel has the afd to worry about. It's a really bad time to be negociating cake and getting worse.
Sorry I should also have said that I also see no EU goodwill coming on this issue. I think most European countries see this as self inflicted pain on the part of the UK and hence have no sympathy (just incredulity) for us.
If I was an EU citizen (I know that technically I still am, but you know what I mean) watching this shitshow unravel, I be they can't wait to see the back of us.
And with the toxic utterances from the likes of Mark Francois last week and our general neo-colonial flag-waving and petty nationalism, actually beginning to wish for the maximum damage possible to our economy. We are (or the Tory right are...) turning bridge burning into an artform
Doesn't the order the amendments are voted on have a big significance to? Surely for quite a few MPs (remainers and soft-brexiteers) they would only vote for certain amendments if their preferred amendment failed to pass?
But yeah it all seems a huge mess, the Brady amendment seems to be nothing more than a way to end up blaming a no-deal brexit on the EU being unwilling to negotiate.
The postponing for a short time (mentioned 3 months on the news) seems pointless, even if the EU agreed (which they might well not without a clear UK plan), just continues the uncertainty.
A 2nd referendum seems increasingly unlikely so I guess it's a no deal brexit to look forward to...
At which point we should just go full-pirate regarding the NI border and go for no border in the Irish Sea (keeping the unionists happyish), not enforcing the border on land (keeping the Republicans happyish), and letting the EU work out what on earth to about the fact that we are no longer in the EU, but defacto allowing free trade.
*I'm aware that we'd have to offer the same deal to everyone else under WTO rules, but a free backdoor into the EU for all your dodgy goods? That's got to be worth some trade.
he Brady amendment seems to be nothing more than a way to end up blaming a no-deal brexit on the EU being unwilling to negotiate.
This were my thoughts. I'd say a No Deal is now a racing certainty (as this is the default growing ever nearer as this farce conitinues) and the ERG wreckers are just looking to shift the blame for the bed they just shat
My New year's resolution was to become a leaver, I've failed but really I know it would be good for my family unit and the prosperity of the area I live. In the event of a hard Brexit I reckon theres a very good chance that Airbus wing making would end up in Toulouse. I reckon a lot of tax evasion facilitated by the City would stop. Some of the multinationals have already chosen France over the UK for forward investment and that would go a step further. Toyota have invested enough to maintain the staus quo in the UK but have chosen France for their new site. Japanese and US inward investment would in general head for well over 400 million consumers rather than 70 million.
Agriculture, well everybody has to eat and as world commodity prices rise as resources are stretched, I don't see a small drop in UK consumption of fine European goods being a problem. Besides, however much a significant proportion of Brits hate the French they're still more than happy to quaff Champagne and drive those horrible unreliable French cars they slag off on forums.
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Pound volatility has always been one of the UK risks and that will exagerated.
What will the UK have to offer that Turkey or Moroco don't?
Money laundering?
Want to stay sane…? Then don't tune into Corbyn's "contribution" right now in the commons…
(the interruptions from Tory back benchers as much as the nonsense from the front bench)
So these are the amendments in full -
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1090247886674243584
I reckon a lot of tax evasion facilitated by the City would stop
Bless. All that would happen if it couldnt be done by London another country would take over.
Obvious candidates are Malta and Cyprus considering the services they already provide to dubious high wealth individuals.
You think that tax evasion facilitated by the city will drop after the bonfire of regulation and oversight that Brexit will usher in?
Of course it will.
Or alternatively, every dodgy African dictator, Russian oligarch and Mexican Drug Cartel will be welcomed with open arms. The ones who aren't here already
Hmmmmmmmm... I wonder which of those outcomes is more likely.....
The amendments that matter require teh agreement of the EU, PrinceJohn. Why in particular would the EU budge on the backstop? The EU's first loyalty is to the ROI so were back to the Irish Catch 22. Tear up the Good Friday agreement (already done) or put a customs border down St George's channel.
At which point we should just go full-pirate
Which is what we'd need to do with commandeering shipping in the event of a No Deal - after P&O's rather deft move in changing all its shipping to sail under the Cypriot flag. Their vessels (not one) can now not be commandeered by the UK - to do so would be piracy.
What Boris wanted to do unto business, it turns out business can do back - and it is not a throwaway line for them.
Airlines likewise.
Anyone watching live? Sounds like a right bunfight currently.
The Brady one is the one frightening one - TM to vote against her deal, to re-open the withdrawal agreement, even tho the EU have repeatedly said, no, we're done. WTAF?
All of those are just postponing the inevitable refusal (I hope) of her deal being voted through...
& now this...
https://twitter.com/Longshanks1307/status/1090258626646687745
eu would allow article 50 extension for a significant shift in the UK offer. A GE, no confidence, etc, are obvious but I think a substantial change to the current red lines would also create that impetus.
They won't just so we can keep going back asking for the same thing over and over again, when the answer is clearly no.
Anyone watching live? Sounds like a right bunfight currently.
I can't from work but I believe Yvette Cooper is going well.
They won’t just so we can keep going back asking for the same thing over and over again, when the answer is clearly no.
That's rumbled it - as soon as the EU realise this.....oh....they already have.....oh dear!
Anyone watching live? Sounds like a right bunfight currently.
Where’s everybody gone?
Some class journalism from the BBC's Chief Political Correspondant Vicki Young
We haven't really heard much from Theresa May in the last couple of weeks about what her plan B is. She has been forced by various parliamentary shenanigans to come to the House today and she has made it clear now that she's going to go back to the EU and say 'I want you to reopen the withdrawal agreement', something they have said all along that they can't do.
As far as the EU are concerned, this deal has been signed off.
What she is saying to Parliament is that we can't keep showing people what we're against, it's time we showed them what we're in favour of. So if the problem is the backstop, if it's the problem that we can't get out of it unilaterally or it needs to be time limited, then we need to tell the EU that and it's clear she's going back to them them and will ask them to compromise.
I suppose she has no other choice at this point. With only two months to go until we leave, she has to show that she has tried.
I mean, really, really heavyweight analysis there.
She has to be seen to be trying to do the thing that has failed for the past two years and that the EU has repeatedly stated they will not back down on?
Even the BBC is living in cloud ****ing cuckoo land, doesn't suprise me as she's another Oxbridge elitist like the Oxford PPE lot, who likely knows shit about the world outside her own bubble.
We are literally being ****ed by graduates of two universities who display rank British exceptionalism.
So Vicki, even if the Brexiteers get the EU to back down - what do you think Labour and pro-EU Tory rebels are going to do, hey?
Where’s everybody gone?
It is a bit empty isnt it?
I guess though since there is no new arguments not much point in repeating them. Just turn up for the votes.
So, in my blunt reasoning.
Brady amendment is basically just about positioning and being able to sell the blame onto the EU in the eyes of your average UK voter. Going through mock contortions in the sure and certain knowledge that the outcome will be (as always has been) anathema to the EU. But at least if we keep making them (perfectly reasonably) say 'no', more UK voters will swallow the line about EU intransigence.
That seems to be basically 'it' for that one(?)
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its alright the Gillet Jambon have it covered
That seems to be basically ‘it’ for that one(?)
Think there are a few reasons.
Its been deliberately written to be as confusing as possible to give people a reason to fool themselves into voting for it.
For the maybot and co its just kick it into the long grass for a bit longer.
For the ERG and their fellow travellers there is a tweet from one of Skys reporters that the get hard brexit and blame the EU is precisely why the ERG extremists are for it.
All those in favour of brexit should be made to wear a yellow vest at all times, preferably with a "Kick Me" sign on the rear.
That flyer reminds me of one of these
its alright the Gillet Jambon have it covered
I want to know more about this "suppression of advanced technologies".
Especially since it is followed by "5G masts" and "Smart meters". Are those the suppressed technologies?
Geoengineering and Weather Manipulation? Tell me more.
PS. I think we could do with Dr. Lubowa in parliament right now.
I'm conflicted.
I'm against Criminal Elite Secret Societies but quite looking forward to 5G.
I'm confused about this Brady amendment.
I thought the backstop agreement was basically, "we don't know what to do so we'll defer the problem until we have time to think of something"? So, now they're saying they're not going to think of something because they're going to think of something else?
Have I missed something here?
its alright the Gillet Jambon have it covered
Jesus wept.
I was trying to find a better picture of that flyer and found another.
(... Poor wording aside, every single one of those issues is a domestic problem of our own making.)
