If members of parliament was the cast of Harry potter I wonder which character they would play
Be nice if it were clear what they do want.
Money, lots of money.
Then avoiding reunification with Ireland.
Oh and recognition that dinosaurs coexisted with modern humans.
How much more anti-government unity do you need?
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can someone explain why Corbyn would motion a vote of no confidence multiple times?
I did say "coherent", dissonance. The best way of achieving point 2 is the status quo, so remain. But they're propping up a government intent on a Brexit of some kind in exchange for point 1. As for point 3, I can't argue with that, I've seen birds on my lawn with my own eyes.
He won't keep doing no confidence votes, cos SNP, Plaid, Libdems have just told him they won't support them
May to make an announcement at 10pm....I hope to God it's her resignation.
Nah it'll be the usual Bollox
Let me be clear
Respect the will of the people
Deal that's best for Britain
Revoking Article 50?
That’d be nice. Just to watch the gammons explode.
I’m sure it’ll be a pointless exercise to announce something meaningless and irrelevant that we know already
I did say “coherent”, dissonance.
This is the DUP. They dont do coherent apart from when it comes to cashing the cheques.
Why does she keep saying that we voted "overwhelmingly" for Brexit?
Same old shit… "80% of people voted for a party…"
Yup, total non-event. Why even bother? What a waste of space.
that wasn't worth doing really, was it
I reckon they keep playing the same clip when she comes out.
Just a couple of weeks ago folk on here were slagging Corbyn for not calling a confidence vote
This was the best chance of winning one.
He will not table another unless something major changes
So, instead he will…
Glad she took the time to clear that up.
"the country overwhelmingly want to get on with Brexit?"
are you sure? why don't you put that to the test Emperor Palpatine?
I hope now we’ll have no more of this Soubry is the real opposition stuff now that she’s shown her true priorities.
Smart move by Soubry and Clarke. Corbyn would never run with remain as part of the manifesto so forcing a GE pretty much guarantees Brexit whichever way it pans out. Though of course it would be a "Jobs First" Brexit. If he's left with no other option and a fracturing party he may just be able to hold his nose, listen to his membership and support a "People's Vote".
Your only hope now is enough support for a people vote.
She will never loose a vote of no confidence.
Well that was worthwhile.
Sure to break the deadlock and get it all resolved.
It’s been s momentous day. Nige actually made a rare appearance in Brussels to show his face in the ‘job’ he gets paid handsomely for
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Hopefully this farce will soon be made into a Monty Python film (Life of Brexit?) with John Cleese playing the Theresa May role.
I don't think a change of government will help at all, especially with labours very vague stance on Brexit.
It's doing nothing other than run the clock down.
The only sensible option now, as it was before the referendum is to remain on the same terms.
If Labour did get in they'd only be in the same position, this isn't a party political thing, the entire country is split across the board. A second ref would still be too close as the first one was, to do something drastic.
What the technical mechanism for that is, I don't know but a retraction of article 50 is the only way forward.
I think that soon, if we haven't got there already, that may be the only route possible.
can someone explain why Corbyn would motion a vote of no confidence multiple times?
Waste parlimentary time, run the clock down, to make hard brexit more likely.
Smart move by Corbyn in not meeting May. He’s just positioned labour as the anti-no deal party whilst keeping all other options open when they might be needed. If no deal does happen, they will have clean hands.
If both May and Cameron oppose another referendum, it can not happen, no matter how many back benchers support it. Anyway, the clock has been run down… a referendum is now a dead idea, unless our exit date is first changed.
You think labour, running the clock down, are going to have ‘clean hands’ when this chaos descends?
Yeah, right...
People really aren’t that stupid
He’s just helping Brexit along. Same as he’s done for the last 30 years. Corbyn is just as culpable as May for this shitshow. More so, given that he really believes it! Getting a bit shouty at the eleventh hour is fooling no-one but the usual sixth form idiots
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Smart move by Corbyn in not meeting May. He’s just positioned labour as the anti-no deal party whilst keeping all other options open when they might be needed. If no deal does happen, they will have clean hands.
He's positioned f all! 😆
Tonight he was handed his arse by the worst prime minster in history. Immediately after the worst defeat in parliamentary history.
The guys a clown and should resign tomorrow.
"She ASKED him to table a vote of no confidence, he stupidly obliged"
This'd be after he'd already commited to tabling the vote.
This’d be after he’d already commited to tabling the vote.
Right get your facts out of here, bloody sithformers getting in the way of ranting
Though I have to say they both either need to go or hand over responsibility for brexit to others. They don't command the support of their parties on this.
People really aren’t that stupid
people believe what they want to believe whether it’s factual or not. I think that’s the main lesson of the past couple of years.
Tonight he was handed his arse
Yes, of course he was. This is what I mean. Despite the clear fact that May is the one who has been defeated, some still think Corbyn is the cause of all this chaos. It’s very odd.
You know that theory that this universe is a simulation ....yeah it's stuck
The problem is he is not very good at the speaking and leading bit, he is also conflicted over brexit but I doubt he is secretly conspiring to deliver a full hard brexit - again you can't be incompetent and a scheming evil genius can you.
In fact he is basically on par with May at this point, unfortunately we seem to have got ourselves into a stupid position of locking in the leaders and out 5 year parliaments as this is the one time where dispatching the leader or a snap election would do some good.
JRM et al ruined the tory one by going too late and too early, labour just can't move fast enough unless he resigns.
I have to say I'm missing some plane speaking aussie action here, I still don't think they have finished the portraits or sculptures for the last few yet. But being able to head off to a locked room kick the shit out of each other in private and call out the trouble makers seems to be what is needed.
But no, as usual party comes before country, comes before brexit, comes before everything. I hope now we’ll have no more of this Soubry is the real opposition stuff now that she’s shown her true priorities.
So is she a nazi then?
Hang on. We were told that Labour would only bring forward a Vote of No Confidence when they knew that were going to win it.
I saw a Tory MP on the news extolling the virtues of no deal. Explaining (lying) how we are actually already very well prepared for it.... With just a "few things" to sign off on of course.
That the actual!????
Forgive me if this has already been covered, but in the absence of even a ****in' 'go to first unread' sort of thing this forum isn't even a throwback, it hasn't gone forward enough for that. Someone was asking about the origins of our current cluster****.
The answer someone gave - in the absence of a proper 'quote' function i'll have to paraphrase - was that it was to unify the Conservative Party.
I think it is quite important to properly sequence the events that have brought us to this impasse.
It started in 2014, with the elections for the European Parliament. It of course started way before that, but the more immediate cause was then. In the probably vain hope that an image will appear below, observe -
For the first time UKIP had a majority of the vote share in an election. Perhaps more significantly the Conservative Party were now third placed in the share of the vote, having lost ground to both UKIP and Labour, who had increased their share of the vote by practically and actually 10% each to the Conservative loss of 4%.
But no one takes European elections seriously do they? Well therein lies the problem, no, on the whole they don't. European elections tend to have a relatively low turnout, and have been seen in this country more of a de facto opinion poll on the Government of the day. This in itself is part of the problem - we've never taken European elections seriously, which has helped in the narrative that the European Parliament is somehow 'undemocratic' - because even though we quite clearly have elected representatives in the EU Parliament, could you name yours?
Spooked that European electoral success might translate to UK electoral success, the promise of an 'in/out' European Referendum was a key element of bringing haemorrhaging 'floaters' back into the bosom of the Conservative Party for the General Election of 2015. And it worked, up to a point.
Although Cameron now had a working majority, it was not exactly a thumping one - a majority of just 12. UKIP won a spectacular zero seats in the House, so by that metric it could be argued that it had been a winning formula.
There was just one remaining problem - having promised a referendum, it was now incumbent upon him to deliver one.
And so he did. And so we are where we are.
Now looms a related inconvenience that hasn't really been talked about much, but will become very much a thorn in the side of the foot that is in the boot that looks to kick the can just that bit further down the road.
If we are still 'IN' in May 2019, having extended/revoked Article 50, are we to elect a new cohort to Brussels?
How do you see those elections going?
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The Tory MEPs (apart from the ones that have been sidelined for not getting behind Brexit post referendum) have already met to discuss standing at the next election. Just in case.
And yes, people voting UKIP pushed Cameron into a referendum… but neither party had a plan on what to do if the referendum returned Leave… so the referendum should not have been called. The Leave voters I know agree on this now… they should have been given the chance to vote for a plan to Leave, not just the wish to. As the current mess makes clear.
… so the referendum should not have been called.
If Cameron had won a significant majority in 2015 it never would have been.
The problem isn't that the voters got a say in the referendum, but that they were lied to right, left, and centre.
And much as some like to disparage the gammon Brexiteers, that is exactly the gullible politically illiterate sector that the lies were aimed at, and continue to be aimed at.
It highlights the danger to a democracy of allowing foreign owned media getting involved in internal political issues, or having local ownership concentrated in too few hands.
As always, follow the money. Cui bono?
Who stands to benefit by us being out before the deadline of 1st April? It certainly was important enough to them for millions in dark money to be poured into the Leave campaign.
We have been screwed over by experts.
