I’ve never broken into your house and piled all the furniture up in a heap then left a note saying “die fetten jahre sind vorbei!”. My pseudo comes from the Austrian-German film which was released as “the Edukators” in France. The film is about social injustice. The “Edukating” was about making rich people feel uncomfortable and insecure despite their wealth.
Ok, that explains a lot.
Both Conservative and Labour believe their policies are whats best for the country.
I'm not so sure. I think both put party before country.
Are these the same people who phoned the police when KFC ran out of chicken?
Don't know, but they are the sort of people who don't give a shit about anyone else which is pretty much how most people in teh UK are. To think it would go back to some sort of Dunkirk spirit and a time when we had real communities, empathy for each other, helped each other is just another brexiter delusion. That all finished in the 80's.
They're both ideologists before they are pragmatists. They are what Skargill was to the miners.
I’m entirely happy with a representative democracy and thought the referendum was a really dumb move, Cougar. But having got into this mess via a referendum it’s a possible way out of the mess.
Agreed on both counts. I don't want a third referendum, but sadly it may well be the only way out of this.
Renew the binary question but with three options “in, out, no preference”
Who the hell goes to vote "no preference"? It's hard enough to get people who *do* have an opinion to turn up to the polling stations.
and then in the case of out three choices “May’s deal, no deal, no preference”
Nope nope nope.
No way, no how should "no deal" be presented as something we could voluntarily choose. I've said this before, "no deal" isn't an option, it's what happens if we run out of options. No-one with a jot of integrity and brain cells actively wants this. It's like having a vote on increasing anti-terrorist policing and the three options are 1) spend more on anti-terrorism, 2) don't spend more on anti-terrorism, 3) bomb London.
We were given a vote (shouldn’t have) so the result should be respected, adhered, enacted whatever. If you don’t belive that the only person not fit to vote is yourself.
"Whatever" implies that those preceding words all mean the same thing. They do not. We can "respect" the result without just blindly crashing out of the EU. This is more page 2 stuff, do I really have to explain again what "advisory" means?
In 2016 we had a public opinion poll. The result, very very clearly showed us one thing - that we were a country divided. The way to best "respect" the result would have been to look at those results, analyse why people voted the way they did, and come up with solutions to the problems (real or perceived) that people felt they were voting for or against. If after that the conclusion was to actually leave then fair enough, but there was no due diligence here.
People voted leave for many different reasons, despite what the "we know what we voted for" brigade would have you believe. Immigration was the big one, and we have the power to shore that up right now and choose not to. Some wanted to give Cameron a bloody nose, which worked and was about the only good thing to come out of this. Some just wanted change - any change - and naively saw this as an opportunity to exact that. Some believed the big red Boris bus lie, I've heard more than one leave voter tell me that they voted thusly as they thought giving more money to the NHS was a good idea. Some were racist pensioners who wanted to bring back ounces and shillings, send them all back where they came from, and to hell with any students who want to study abroad. Some wanted blue passport covers (readily available on Amazon for a couple of quid) FFS. Some wanted to take back control of something we already have control of, make our own laws when we already do, and regain sovereignty that we never lost. Oh, and something about ****ing fish that no-one with half a brain gives a rat's ass about. Critically though, none of these things are anything to do with the EU, they're either domestic issues which are readily fixable or are just ignorant fantasies propelled by the likes of JRM and the Daily Express.
And TBH, the single biggest resolution for all of this shite would be for people in positions of power or authority to be forced to stop lying to the British public. I'd like to see the Mail and Express editors in court for inciting hatred for starters.
I’ve said this before, “no deal” isn’t an option, it’s what happens if we run out of options. No-one with a jot of integrity and brain cells actively wants this.
Of course Mrs. May repeatedly trotted out her "No deal is better than a bad deal" mantra.
I refer you to my final paragraph.
Critically though, none of these things are anything to do with the EU, they’re either domestic issues which are readily fixable or are just ignorant fantasies propelled by the likes of JRM and the Daily Express.
Which is a major part of the problem in my eyes. Not only is it not going to fixed by leaving the EU but most likely will be made worse especially under the disaster capitalism of JRM and cronies. So what will the next plan to distract people and profit be?
I’d like to see the Mail and Express editors in court for inciting hatred for starters.
For the mail dont you mean the ex-editor?
In other news, more unicorns.
The UK has given up on remaining a member of Europol after Brexit and fears a “major drop” in co-operation in fighting cross-border crime.
The Home Office has admitted Britain will lose its seat on the organisation’s management board – despite previously arguing it was “critical” that its role is “not weakened”.
In 2016 we had a public opinion poll.
Not in 99.9% of people's eyes pre vote, including leave and remain voters. The non binding referendum is something the post vote remain lobby has brought out. Anyway I'm going around in circles on this so I'll leave it for now.
The non binding referendum is something the post vote remain lobby has brought out. Anyway I’m going around in circles on this so I’ll leave it for now.
It was actually defined at the time. As with a lot of things the leave side didn't bother to read much.
For a simplistic version the referendum was to start the process off, we have, 2 1/2 years of it, so we need to have a reality check on the process - is this what you want? It's the best you are going to get!
Not in 99.9% of people’s eyes pre vote, including leave and remain voters.
I refer you to my final paragraph.
What those people think is erroneous and in any case doesn't alter the facts. Politicians and tabloid newspapers need to stop lying. (Yeah, I know, more unicorns...)
Also, that's something of a hyperbolic percentage you've got there. Got a source for that figure?
Many of the Brexiteers, Fox, Redwood ,Mogg all advocated 2 refs one whether to leave, one, once we knew the terms.
Farage famously claimed 48/52 would be unfinished business.
Of course with such a slender majority the Brexiteers would rather push ahead with disastrous brexishambles than risk another ref.
https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/963758590073843712?s=19
Not in 99.9% of people’s eyes pre vote, including leave and remain voters.
Evidence for this statistic or are you making stuff up?
People were saying prior to it that it should have been done properly. If 99.9% of people were too ignorant to know that then frankly that should be enough to invalidate the vote.
It was discussed prior to the vote and Cameron was criticised for trying to turn it into a binding one at the time he decided to. Something which was rather undemocratic.
As for it being a remain only thing. Oddly enough St Farage was very clear that a 52-48 result wouldnt be the end of things and he would continue to fight on. It was only once it turned out that way in his favour that he switched it to being final.
Only 11 days until remain would win a re-run of the 2016 Ref, even if no-one has changed their mind (just their mortality and/or voting eligibility).
Only 11 days until remain would win a re-run of the 2016 Ref, even if no-one has changed their mind (just their mortality and/or voting eligibility).
That does make an awful lot of assumptions regarding new voters.
That does make an awful lot of assumptions regarding new voters.
It does, and seems to take a pessimistic view of only counting those fairly likely to vote otherwise the crossover point would have been earlier.
TBH after a quick scan the methodology holds up, sort of sums up a lot of will of the people BS as what it is, a single snapshot in time. As the leave side well know they have less support and worse options now.
Seems that the Mayor of Ostende is unconvinced of his port and town's readiness to start accepting freight ferries and lorries from March. He seems to also suggest (not unreasonably) that if they are to spend money in upgrading the terminal, in providing security against those pesky migrants, and so on that he'll need certain guarantees from HMGov, Seaborne about the viability and solvency of the operation.
He is having a meeting next week - but I'm sure Grayling has all the answers given the 'due diligence' that has been conducted on the project and his confidence in their abilities. But does seem strange they're having a meeting to discuss the obstacles AFTER the contract's been awarded?
Still it's all been plain sailing so far, so I have no idea why i think this won't be full steam ahead with no choppy waters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46799136
He is having a meeting next week – but I’m sure Grayling has all the answers given the ‘due diligence’ that has been conducted on the project and his confidence in their abilities.
Possibly how it feels to be interviewing and dealing with these idiots
Well apart from the fact it's the UK in the hole and nobody can be bothered to come and save us
it’s the UK in the hole and nobody can be bothered to come and save us
As a member state the EU will surely help us out.
A few rebellions over the Finance Bill then. That's gonna hurt.
get ready for weasel words...... because the 'due diligence' will have been conducted on whether there's anything in the set up of Seaborne that precludes it form doing business with the government*
Mr Grayling said there were "no reasons to believe any of those involved in this business are not fit to do business with government".
as opposed to whether they are capable of actually delivering on what they are contracting to do. I mean, there's nothing that would preclude me from doing business with HMG, but I sure as **** couldn't run a freight ferry service in 3 month's time.
* and even that's a bit open, as I believe one of the directors is already under investigation by another government dept (possibly HMRC over a previous shipping company that went bust owing £1.78M in total https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/04/brexit-ferry-firm-who-are-the-old-sea-dogs-behind-venture )
A few rebellions over the Finance Bill then. That’s gonna hurt.
I read that, and thought the govt must surely be on the ropes as it's parliament vs government now.
parliament wins, seems like they are enjoying flexing their "muscles"
Yep, the Tories are selling our future to their mates whilst everyone gets their knickers in a twist about whether a policeman should be able to baton a total arsehole.
It’s not often I yearn for a bit of Prezza, but if only Anna Soubry had a tasty left jab.......
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTiI1e-wVc
Seems that the Mayor of Ostende is unconvinced of his port and town’s readiness to start accepting freight ferries and lorries from March. He seems to also suggest (not unreasonably) that if they are to spend money in upgrading the terminal, in providing security against those pesky migrants, and so on that he’ll need certain guarantees from HMGov, Seaborne about the viability and solvency of the operation.
Will the UK be allowed to put immigration checks at the Ostende side of the crossing? If so what will it cost?
Look A drone!! It's going to take out Heathrow and maybe more front page news instead of the failure of a government
Drones are deffinatly the new squirrels.
AS I perused the papers in the supermarket today the express had a headline about the Nhs money. It then had a sidebar about whether they could get enough nurses.
At least they are acknowledging that brexit has downsides.
Boris got a drone for Christmas delivered to his local office , he just got round to charging it to see if he could get a birds eye view of a bulldozer before laying or maybe telling a lie in front of it, or something.
Yvette Coopers finance bill amendment got through. First tine in 41 years a govt has lost the vote on its own budget.
Commentators now saying that this means no deal is dead. One can hope I guess, however I wouldn't put it past May to come up with some shenanigans.
I wouldn’t put it past May to come up with some shenanigans.
it will now be a **** up just done on the cheap
Friend is a finance director for a large company, they've got a £50m grant from the EU that will literally be pulled in March when we leave. He says the company probably won't recover from that.
Does this mean that all the no dealers will vote for may's deal for the sake of party unity?
Does this mean that all the no dealers will vote for may’s deal for the sake of party unity?
Still not enough of them to get it through, the DUP are all out on the current deal.
Commentators now saying that this means no deal is dead.
How so? Really can someone expalin how this prevents britiain crashing out on 29/3 if nothing happens before then to prevent it.
Technically nothing, logic would say that as the government said they needed the cash to prepare and now they do not have it to leave with no deal would be reckless, all bets are off as to how a cornered robot flips
It's all about painting the government even further into a corner now.
If we can get 'no deal' off the agenda then that leaves May's botched deal, or who knows, as long as it's not no deal that's good.
The only other options left are much more favorable.
I'm just getting so angry about it all. Put me in the "remainer prepared to accept the outcome of the vote" corner, but it's all just so screwed, we don't have a CLUE what we're doing, we're spunking money like a busted watermain spunks water and May's just trying to filibust her way to disaster - what's worse is no-one's doing anything worthwhile to go "hang on a mo, shouldn't we have a think about this?" Labour have had - if not an open goal - two years to ease the Tories out of government, and still we've made no progress. Now we've got the Soubry thing and somehow both sides are outraged about that - there were folks on the 5 breakfast show saying it's disgusting that she was called a Nazi, one bloke from Northampton said why weren't MPs up in arms when JRM once got abused and now the BBC are addressing every Soubry defender with "don't you think it's the same on both sides?. How in the name of the sweet baby Jesus are we going to get over this, however it pans out? Eff eff ess.
Brexit seems more technically impossible now more than ever, regardless of the 'will of the people' it's simply undeliverable.
The screws will tighten further and we'll either see an extension with a new referendum, with all the crap and caveats that brings or preferably a retraction of A50.
If the far right chavs don't like it, they are welcome to set fire to themselves in protest.
It would appear French and Brish yellow vests have one thing in common
Although a difference is the French ones hang around once the cops turn up mob handed. From the reports today our brave heroes decided to pipe down and leave the yellow vests in the bag once they realised the cops had been told to stop playing nice. Mr "you want war" apparently didnt turn up at all.
'war' only an option on Saturdays I understand...
How so? Really can someone expalin how this prevents britiain crashing out on 29/3 if nothing happens before then to prevent it.
It doesn't, MPs are very good at agreeing at what they don't want, but until they can agree on something they do want - and the difficult bit, get it enacted - then we leave by operation of Article 50.
