No-one knows what 17.1m wanted when they voted to leave
To be fair to them I think they simply wanted out of the EU, no shared market, customs union or fom. What's complicating the issue now is that over the past couple of years it's become more and more apparent what a complete cockup that would be so politicians are trying to engineer some deal whereby out isn't really out, just not in!
No-one knows what 17.1m wanted when they voted to leave
To be fair to them I think they simply wanted out of the EU, no shared market, customs union or fom.
Yep so nobody knows what they wanted.
so politicians are trying to engineer some deal whereby out isn’t really out, just not in!
Or one where the UK economy won't fall down, it's looking for the least worse option from a load of really bad ones.
If only somebody had explained that at the start.
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Also the login form on the timetable page (not that there seems to be any way to sign up) is actually an image that takes you to Google.
Yep so nobody knows what they wanted.
I did. I wanted to stay in the EU.
Or one where the UK economy won’t fall down, it’s looking for the least worse option from a load of really bad ones.
If only somebody had explained that at the start.
They did. It was in the big print, no long words booklet that was posted through the door that most of the Leavers I have spoken to claim was "a load of boring words" and ignored.
@dannyh - any reason for taking the stuff out of the context I put it in?
@PrinceJohn - Their financials don't look great either...someone has to be benefiting from this, where is the link back to Government.
Year Ended
Apr 2018
Total Assets
£42.33k
Total Liabilities
£-416.61k
Net Assets
£-374.28k
Cash in Bank
£799
Employees
Unreported
Turnover
Unreported
Debt Ratio (%)
984.14%
I'm assuming the plucky British start-up that is Seaborne Freight is actually funded by Tory venture capitalists and will be a G4S outsourcing shyster affair.
I’m assuming the plucky British start-up that is Seaborne Freight is actually funded by Tory venture capitalists and will be a G4S outsourcing shyster affair.
Yep, and it was some good work on their part. Such an emergency to get setup that it didn't have time to go through the usual channels and scrutiny etc,. so got waved through.
These are the brexiters who are not stupid or racist, they are just tory opportunists.
These are the brexiters who are not stupid or racist, they are just
toryopportunists.
FTFY
Moggy-Dogg fits that description too.
I wonder in a decade how many Tories and other business folk will have been exposed for wanting Brexshit purely to make money?
Is it me or are the press reporting next to nowt at the moment re Brexit?
Secondly don't govt contracts have to be rendered to more than one of your mates?
BBC has covered the boats, Gove to lie to farmers, PM to Speak Loudly and Slowly at MP's so still being covered but in reality since Parliament is in recess and most of Whitehall will have been off for Christmas nothing has actually happened. Give it until everyone gets back in next week.
any reason for taking the stuff out of the context I put it in?
Yes - my missing the point - sorry.
yeah May needs to run the clock down to force MPs to accept her deal
what can possibly go wrong?!!?
To be fair to them I think they simply wanted out of the EU, no shared market, customs union or fom.
I think you give them too much credit. It's becoming increasingly apparent that many of them "just want out" and haven't even heard of the customs union or single market, let alone any understanding of what these things do and why they might be a good thing.
This is why discourse is challenging. It's hard to get someone to change their opinion when it's one formed a point of emotionally charged ignorance. It's like talking to those clowns who want to ban films they've never watched.
Secondly don’t govt contracts have to be rendered to more than one of your mates?
That gets bypassed for urgent stuff like No Deal planning as there is no time for standard procedures which is why it is more tory opportunism.
This is why discourse is challenging. It’s hard to get someone to change their opinion when it’s one formed a point of emotionally charged ignorance. It’s like talking to those clowns who want to ban films they’ve never watched.
Absolutely, remainers are really blinkered.
I would guess most leavers see leaving as step one to getting rid of Muslims.
Absolutely, remainers are really blinkered.
Was that a generalisation that just swept past....
I think we have acknowledged a large variety of leave motivations, discussed their hopes, dreams and unicorns at length, still no plan that goes through parliament though.
I would guess most leavers see leaving as step one to getting rid of Muslims.
... which is ironic, given that the opposite will almost certainly happen. Lower EU immigration => higher non-EU immigration. Another Page 2 argument.
I had a bit of an argument with my father in law on New Year's Day - he voted leave and we asked if he'd changed his mind given all that is going on. He said no and he wants a No Deal Brexit. It appears his whole reason for leaving is that he once (in the 70s) dealt with some EU bods over some deal to supply materials and he said they were all self serving Germans etc etc. He wouldn't accept that one isolated experience 40 years ago should be the basis for his opinion so then went on to say we could get worldwide deals on our terms. For example he believes (after I pointed out importing food of lower welfare standards and with more artificial additives from the USA isn't a positive step) that we could agree a deal with the USA for them to export to our standards. This is despite them refusing to do so to export to the whole EU, but he fully expects they will for just the UK. Ohh and they (the MIL too) also believe that if we stay we will be forced to join the Euro and they will bring back National Service to help support the new Euro Army. 🙁
Of course , our troops being killed and maimed in the interests of US foreign policy is just dandy.
Just had a look at Seabornes website. It says they will be recruiting in the Jan 2019.
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It’s becoming increasingly apparent that many of them “just want out”
Ben Gummer (Son of Selwyn), and former MP (he lost in 2017 for being a remainer in a deeply leave constituency), was on the radio earlier saying that one of his constituents voted leave as they wanted an end to gay marriage...File that under taking back control?
I wouldn’t blame anyone for voting leave first time around, given the amount of bull being spouted, with the clarity of where we are now you’d have to be spectacularly thick to contemplate that leaving without a deal is even remotely sensible!
was on the radio earlier saying that one of his constituents voted leave as they wanted an end to gay marriage…File that under taking back control?
Fairly standard I believe, I can't remember where, but plenty of articles linking hanging, etc to Brexit voting.
Basically if you are a hate filled arsehole you vote leave.
That sadly sums up members of my family who voted out, plus many others I am aware of.
Also there are just the plainly naieve ones
The language and tone used in papers is appalling. For a report about Ireland gaining jobs as a result of Brexit the Express talks of 'Ireland gloating' and finds a picture of Leo Varadkar with a bit of a smirk. The article talks of Ireland swooping in to take these jobs and similarly France 'nabbed' an insurance firm from the UK.
Use language like this and leavers feel they are being hard done by and that Ireland is stealing jobs, when in fact it is their own actions putting the UK in this position.
Ohh and they (the MIL too) also believe that if we stay we will be forced to join the Euro
The irony being that if we leave, it fails and we have to go back we will have to take all the bits we opted out of with Thatcher & Major.
what a surprise? Now who would volunteer to enter a potential war zone? How many officers short is the UK currently?
I think it's wrong to pillory the Remainers with a few stereotypes, although sometimes it is irresistible.
I voted Remain with reservations. Top of my concern was the way the Greek crisis was managed, and I'm still not comfortable about that. I find the very size and complexity of the EU makes it hard to get a proper handle on it, and a lot of trust is needed that control of it is in the right hands.
I voted Remain with reservations. Top of my concern was the way the Greek crisis was managed, and I’m still not comfortable about that. I find the very size and complexity of the EU makes it hard to get a proper handle on it, and a lot of trust is needed that control of it is in the right hands.
Either UK politicians and "statesmen" are a force for good or they're not. If they are, we have an obligation to stay in and lobby in support of those like Greece.
If they're a bunch of self serving charlatans who'll lie and steal and waste huge amounts of public money, time and effort for a twisted ideology and personal gain, then the UK population need all the help we can get.
ith the clarity of where we are now you’d have to be spectacularly thick to contemplate that leaving without a deal is even remotely sensible!
and yet...
Andrew Adonis saying today that May might choose to pull the vote again!! This really is contempt on top of our entire democracy being corrupted by a few for their own political and financial gain.
If out of all this shit I could buy stuff tax free from the states , go and live in Australia or new Zealand with free health care, or just be better off in one way I could suck up the result.
I'm not being offered one thing that will make my life or this country better off.
So **** you every single **** that voted leave.
Andrew Adonis saying today that May might choose to pull the vote again!! This really is contempt on top of our entire democracy being corrupted by a few for their own political and financial gain.
Indeed.
If anyone still believes May is trying to implement "the will of the people" when in reality it's "the will of the tory party" then they need inserted into a rocket and fired into the sun.
It's not even the will of the tory party if the poll in that guardian article is to be believed. Its just the will of May to 'win' so she can say she's been successfull
What that Guardian article shows is that the "Tory Party rank and file" are so out of touch with reality, that they actually think that leaving with no deal is even an option.
Shocking but not necessarily surprising, given that our local MP (Macclesfield) was banned from campaigning for remain during the referendum by his local party, so he went and campaigned in Chester instead. (Macclesfield voted remain by the way). That shows the sort of people we are dealing with here.
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Andrew Adonis saying today that May might choose to pull the vote again!! This really is contempt on top of our entire democracy being corrupted by a few for their own political and financial gain.
wouldnt be surprised at all, Mays decided her only option is to take it right to the wire- so its no deal or her deal
The mind absolutely boggles. Complete disregard for the proper functioning of parliment. It's made worse by the fact I don't believe she actually thinks either her deal or no deal would be the best for the country (she campaigned for remain after all)
Yeah but it is want the people want - well some of them, probably.
she campaigned for remain after all
She campaigned for the side she thought was going to win, then she flipped to the winning side and went all out for that. It is basic tory mentality, no understanding of nuance, just winners and losers and **** the losers no matter how close, fair or honest the game is.
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