Was corbyn right tho
Yep
slowoldman -that has no chance of passing and is pure posturing.
IMO for a confidence vote to have any chance of passing the DUP and / or the couple of sensible tories need to be split off from the rest of the rabble. This means the only real chance of getting a confidence vote to work will be AFTER May loses the vote on her deal. #they all know this
Same with a vote on a second referendum. Mays deal has to be dead first so the choice does not include Mays deal so when its no deal or no brexit that is the only chance to either bring down the government of change course.
It's interesting that all Blair had to do was wave at a camera and say the words 'second referendum' and May went into complete meltdown.
With Corbyn, she just swats him aside to the point that he's the one who gets flustered and cocks up. All everyone is talking about now is, 'Did he really just call her a stupid woman?'
Really, that's going to be the most important story of the day?
slowoldman -that has no chance of passing and is pure posturing.
I don't doubt it, but whilst several newspapers appear to carry it the Beeb didn't. I thought given the background of the ERG "in party" no confidence vote in the PM and Corbyn's no confidence in the PM, a proposed vote of no confidence in the government itself might be worth a small mention.
Oh and I see the EU have proposed interim measures should we "crash out" to actually assist a transition, whilst the UK are stockpiling fridges and getting the troops ready.
Beeb coverage of SNP etc no confidence motion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46610666
Happy now?
Len McCluskey has been applying his particular style of logic again …
Because there are many supporters of another referendum that are either not Labour people, or are Labour people lukewarm to the current leader, then to support a referendum is to oppose Labour being in government. Ignoring of course that those that support Corbyn wholeheartedly (including Momentum members) are the ones most fully in favour of a second referendum, and want Labour to campaign to end Brexit. Enemies within?
He then goes on to talk about lots of good, but unrelated, stuff about workers pay and rights. Some sugar for your medicine.
Anyway, my favourite line…
…Remainers, deliberately misreading Labour’s conference decision, wished to tick on their way to a further referendum.
Oh and I see the EU have proposed interim measures should we “crash out” to actually assist a transition, whilst the UK are stockpiling fridges and getting the troops ready.
An economist of Channel 4 news last night had some perspective on it. There are a number of things we can do unilaterally, such as not applying tariffs to imports (to keep food prices, other stuff stable) continuing to do the customs checks we do now (but no more) and the EU would let us continue as we are for months as it is in neither parties interest for it to go completely to pot. Doesn't sound as dramatic as the "Cliff edge Brexit end of the world chaos" but more likely to happen.
It’s interesting that all Blair had to do was wave at a camera and say the words ‘second referendum’ and May went into complete meltdown.
it's different when one of her fellow Tories criticizes her I suppose.
And then……it’s off for a completely undeserved and inappropriate holiday
I don't think being physically in Parliament is the only work MPs do. I suspect many of them will remain busy throughout the holiday period. Unlike me.
Given their track record this year - of everything they touch turning to shite - I'm actually happier if they're not busy
I don’t think being physically in Parliament is the only work MPs do. I suspect many of them will remain busy throughout the holiday period. Unlike me.
To be fair if any of us had being doing our jobs as badly as they are, I very much doubt we'd be coming back to work after Christmas
An economist of Channel 4 news last night had some perspective on it.
Shankar Singham of the IEA/Legatum again? How reassuring.
Happy now?
Pfft. Meanwhile "Stupid Woman" all over the front page.
For all those asking what else can he do, here's what Schrodinger's Brexiteer could have done this week.
With the judgement that we can unilaterally revoke A50 at any time, now would have been the perfect time to force May to commit to not allowing a No Deal Brexit. Spend all week battering her on it, then call a VONC (an actual one, not whatever it is he did) when she continually refuses to say she will not allow a No Deal Brexit.
Forget the ERG and DUP. They're lunatics, cowards, and morons. They'll serve their own interests no matter what. Concentrate on the Tories who say they will not allow No Deal to come to pass.
A vote for the government is a vote for No Deal.
Would it work?
Maybe. But at least it's taking a chance and doing something. If she wins, it exposes every single Tory as being about party before country, no matter what they might say about principles.
Bruce wee - thats a tactic that could work but IMO only after the vote on Mays deal falls so no longer can anyone pretend that Mays deal is an option. Mays deal has to fall before the DUP and / or sensible tories can be split off
Hammond "stupid woman"
only after the vote on Mays deal falls
Exactly, which is why Labour want the vote and May is delaying it. Once that deal is out of the way there is nothing left. That is the time to discuss No Deal or Revoke.
Clearly it will go all the way to March 29 but I thought that would be the case 2 years ago.
such as not applying tariffs to imports (to keep food prices,
which means dropping ALL tariffs, there will be a WTO based attack if we try and drop some tariffs and maintain others without a trade agreement in place.
WTO would result in application of tariffs on UK exports, if the UK drops the tarrifs unilaterally then there is nothing to negotiate. Why would any country reduce there tariffs for UK exports?
I'm seeing no signs that he has any desire to go down this road. If he did he would already be making noises about ruling out No Deal. I think he's with the government on this judgement, in that it's very inconvenient (not least because Labour didn't have anything to do with it) and the best thing to do is to pretend it never happened.
How many times has it been mentioned by any front-bencher that it is entirely in our power to stop a No Deal Brexit?
Hold the front page! - we now have "stupid women".
The final PM's questions of the year in pantomine land and we have "he said this/oh no he didn't" That's not even correct, it should've been "cretinous ****"
With Corbyn, she just swats him aside to the point that he’s the one who gets flustered and cocks up. All everyone is talking about now is, ‘Did he really just call her a stupid woman?’
Really, that’s going to be the most important story of the day?
Yes, yes it is.
Not only do we have to put up with the circus that is PMQs, he then hands her a free pass with another day of headlines that are off topic with regards to the single biggest political issue of our times and the government's total mishandling of it.
One of the things that has been said of Thatcher is that she was fortunate in her enemies - Scargill, Galtieri, Foot etc. The same could easily be said now. Face meet palm.
Bruce Wee Corbyn has said on many occasions no deal would be a disaster and must be avoided.
At any point has he said that we now know we can unilaterally revoke A50?
Yes. He said that Mays pretence its her deal or no deal is rubbish given the court ruling.
Please don't tell me that if he even hinted at revoking A50 it would lose him votes. I think at this point we all know it's a bit late for anything else.
When I was listening to PMQs I thought I heard Jeremy say that no deal was disastrous and unacceptable.
That’s close enough to him ruling it out for me.
Please don’t tell me that if he even hinted at revoking A50 it would lose him votes
Not just votes but enemy of the people headlines as well.
The armchair opposition leaders on this thread wouldn't last 5 minutes. It would be better if politics wasn't a big game but the fact is that it is
Just needs to trigger no confidence vote in time for xmas say he will revoke artikal 50 and we be comrades for new year
“No deal would be a disaster for our country. No responsible government would ever allow it. No deal is simply not an option,” he said. “Why doesn’t the prime minister stop the pretence and stop wasting £4bn in a cynical attempt to drive votes for her deal?”
Yeah but he needs to say it....... If he would only try and rule out no deal people would back him....PALESTINE IRA COMMUNIST He called her Stupid!!!
The armchair opposition leaders on this thread wouldn’t last 5 minutes.
Yeah, I'm sure if anyone on this thread were in his chair they would have made some kind of idiotic statement that would completely derail whatever plan they were trying to execute.
Tory MPs themselves are doing the job he should be doing by coming out and saying they will do everything in their power to block their own government. They're not doing that because he manoeuvred them into that position. They're doing that because he is doing such a good job of missing every open goal that's pushed in front of him.
Who knows what's going to happen between now and whenever this vote actually takes place.
Both May and Corbyn say that want "a" deal, not no deal. But that's where we are heading. Both whipped against Single Market, Customs Union, EEA… both hold on fast to their end of FoM promise. Both say Brexit must happen.
That’s close enough to him ruling it out for me.
"All this chaos you see around you was their fault, there's nothing I could have done to stop it."
No responsible government would ever allow it. No deal is simply not an option
"Had we'd been in government, we'd have got a deal that half of MPs would have backed, that ended FoM, maintained frictionless trade, and was supported by the public. That is why we were against the public choosing between May's awful deal and remaining. This chaos is all their fault."
OOOh finally something might be happening -
Keir Starmer is now making an application for an emergency debate under standing under 24.
He says the decision by the Cabinet to accelerate preparations for a no deal yesterday, involving an additional spending of £2bn, would not had happened had the meaningful vote on the Brexit deal not been delayed.
He says no government "has the right to risk the well being the country" as a result its own failed negotiations, and it is vital it is held account when "the sums and the stakes are so high".
Mr Bercow says he is satisfied that the matter raised is proper to be discussed.
Conservative MP Peter Bone objects to the motion, but Mr Bercow says sufficient members have stood in support of it. The debate will take place "immediately", for up to three hours, following the ten minute rule motion.
He says the decision by the Cabinet to accelerate preparations for a no deal yesterday, involving an additional spending of £2bn, would not had happened had the meaningful vote on the Brexit deal not been delayed.
If the vote had been taken, and lost, as expected, would the government not have still pushed on with no deal prep? Probably more urgently.
Conservative MP Peter Bone objects to the motion,
Anything opposed by Peter Bone is immediately a good thing.
True.
Peter Bone is a prize pillock.
Talking of which, I heard most of Sajid Javed on R4 this morning, but didn’t hear the very start (and so didn’t know it was him). I genuinely thought it was a junior minister at best and much more likely to be a run of the mill MP sitting on a committee. When I found out it was actually a senior minister I was astounded.
Useless pillocks.
I'm no lip reader but it looks like Corbyn says stupid people to me, different from Hammond who says women.
How did you not know it was him, he got the 2nd generation kid of immigrants so I'm the best person to try and not make our policy sound that bad....
Most senior ministers are trying so hard to avoid saying something to be played back at them next week (we'll later that day)
Exactly, which is why Labour want the vote and May is delaying it.
I don't think Labour actually want the vote. There isn't a fag paper between her deal and their preferred deal, so they are happy to see that chosen by default and meanwhile the Tories take flak for being disorganised. Win-win.
A lot of the Brexit Tory's are scheming, devious bastards pushing Brexit through for their own evil ends
Peter Bone is just so terminally dense I remember listening to him justify Brexit and concluded that my cat has got a more solid grasp of economics than him
****ing clown!
I’m no lip reader but it looks like Corbyn says stupid people to me, different from Hammond who says women.
Also
Can we take a moment to marvel at the chutzpah of a Tory Party that will wail and gnash teeth over an insult to Theresa May, but sees nothing wrong with restoring the whip to Charlie Elphicke and Andrew Griffiths to let them vote for May?
Bone always makes those 1970s "my wife" type jokes in parliament. Politics aside, that makes him a bit of a dick.
This latest "squirrel!" about who said what about the stupid person supposedly running the country better die off fast. Such a pointless distraction. And she is anyway… stupid that is… talked herself into making "no deal" a UK power play… then eventually learnt enough to realise that all that did is get EU backs up, and embolden people in her own party to reject whatever deal she arrived at. Plenty warned her from the start. Too stupid and blinkered to listen.
God… the BBC are talking about nothing other than… "squirrel!" now. Tedious.
continuing to do the customs checks we do now (but no more) and the EU would let us continue as we are for months
There'll be no reason to do any more Customs checks than we do now. The tricky bit is that EU goods would now require a customs declaration. I'm told it takes about 20 minutes and costs about £20 to make a customs declaration and I don't think anybody has yet worked out how that supposed to work at Dover
