Anyone else think that Junker looked and sounded like he had been on the sherry from the BBC news clip with T-may, last night?
If I had to deal with a confused and inept British Prime Minister asking the impossible, I'd be on the booze too!
Those yellow vests, that's a bit you know, foreign init??
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TM likes old perv though, she was quite happy to reinstate 2 MP so that they could vote for her.
You know what really knarked me about that? It made ****-all difference, she already knew from the whips that she was going to win but not by enough to come out of it looking good, and still decided to bring those 2 back. Just rancid.
10 dicks block an ambulance. What heroes.
One standing there videoing the ambulance they are blocking.
This country is *****d.
Shame Boris's water cannon were scrapped...
Despairing at some of the gammony comments on BBC - apparently we won't need to import our own food, we'll grow our own despite the fact that we import 80% of our food and we need numbers of migrant labour to pick and process it because our ****less natives can't be arsed doing it. Looking forward to rotten cabbage, potato and onion soup already.
Those yellow vests, that’s a bit you know, foreign init??
A bit, gets results though. I was at friends last night and one of them (in dark glasses) sang us his modified version of the Marseillaise, but he sings flat so roped a couple of us into doing it for Youtube for him, I'm on guitar... . He printed a couple of hundred copies for the local manif today with the intention of getting everyone to sing, no news of how it went yet.
Edit: well he made the local press including his lyrics if you flick through the images.
@eduktor I meant for the kippers to be copying I don't think they have translated the mood or support to their am ulance blocking. I hope the police had a word.
Remainers should be wearing their yellow vests and protest by blocking motorways and the city.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46582705
To a surrounded enemy, you must leave a way of escape. - The Art of War
Theresa May has attacked one of her predecessors - accusing Tony Blair of "undermining" the Brexit talks by calling for another referendum.
She called his comments an "insult to the office he once held" and said MPs could not "abdicate responsibility" to deliver Brexit by holding a new poll.
In London last week, Mr Blair said MPs might back a new vote if "none of the other options work".
Labour MPs who back the idea have met cabinet minister David Lidington.
On Thursday about 10 MPs met Mr Lidington, who is Mrs May's de facto second-in-command, to argue for another public vote and make it clear there was no other government plan they could support.
But many senior Labour figures are deeply uneasy about endorsing another referendum.
People are giving her a way out but she is determined to go down fighting
Based on the last couple of weeks, does that make it more likely or not? Hard to tell when black is white, up is down etc.
More likely I think
A second referendum is about the only thing that could easily command a majority in the commons
Well it depends on who is in charge, I can see May flipping before a likely successful no confidence vote in the government as a method of appeasement. Now there is a legal way out it's only give those who are remain less of a desire to accept the shit deal. The hard brexit fans are still a minority however vocal they like to be.
So basically if/when the vote on the deal fails or May refuses to bring it we see what the next steps are.
The important message here is a 2nd referendum is not disrespecting the will of the people or the 1st vote. It's seeking clarification on the direction we go next. No Unicorns, no piles of cash, no fantasies. Just some cold hard facts.
Remember all those Irish jokes?
Looks like they’ll get recycled with a new nationality….
Doubt it. The English would need to be grown up enough to laugh at ourselves again, I don’t think that is the case any more.
Plus, to have jokes made about you often shows a kind of (admittedly paternalistic and patronising) affection. We English are probably just viewed as a bunch of thick twunts who aren’t worth the bother of mocking.
The important message here is a 2nd referendum is not disrespecting the will of the people or the 1st vote.
I think it'd help immensely from a PR perspective if we stopped calling it a second referendum. We had a second referendum in 2016, this will be the third.
We English are probably just viewed as a bunch of thick twunts who aren’t worth the bother of mocking.
From various friends/acquaintances living across Europe or who have been on holiday in Europe recently, it seems to be that we're viewed as a bunch of thick twunts who should be mocked mercilessly for being so unbelievably stupid.
Britain's standing in Europe is at an all time low. It might be helpful if some of that could reach the ears of TM but she'd probably just say "let me be very clear on this, Brexit means Brexit" like a malfunctioning robot.
From various friends/acquaintances living across Europe or who have been on holiday in Europe recently, it seems to be that we’re viewed as a bunch of thick twunts who should be mocked mercilessly for being so unbelievably stupid.
Genuinely - please thank them for at least considering us worthy of mockery. If the shoe was on the other foot, I think my reaction would be “Oh, them. They’re just a bunch of tossers, I wouldn’t bother about them”.
So 30k a year for a 5 year visa for skilled workers or only 1 year visa for low skilled worker and not allowed to come back for a year.
It means I probably wouldn't be able to come and live back in the UK.
It means I probably wouldn’t be able to come and live back in the UK.
And as some who voted leave would say - Job Done!
It's a right mess and will hurt the UK a lot.
how many nurses and care workers are on 30k ?
You seem to be thinking there is logic behind this Chris
LOL - I was just about to post that same link
It would be the simplest answer...
Genius. Of course the thorny problems of a viable economy and currency still exist, but tbh, if this happened, I'd be lobbying hard for our office to relocate to Edinburgh.
how many nurses and care workers are on 30k ?
For clarity any staff nurse ( band 5) with more than 8 years service and who works unsocial hours will be over £30 000.
No new recruits at below band 7 ( charge nurse / senior specialist nurse) will be over £30 000
London you do get a chunk more, Scotland a little bit more IIRC
https://nursingnotes.co.uk/nhs-agenda-change-pay-scales-2018-2019/
From the article in that site
What’s attractive about this option is that no further EU referendum is required. It fulfils the referendum mandate for the UK to make the best leaving of the EU as can be managed while the remainder EU state of Scotland/NI tidies things up.
I reckon you would be on a sticky legal wicket with the above. We were not asked whether we wanted Scotland to remain in the EU in 2016.
What concerns me a bit more is that I reckon Scotroutes grasps the tongue in cheek aspect of the article, but I think others reckon this is a legitimate solution. I am coming round to another decision on Scotland's future, but if people are still getting their info from WOS we have no hope.
So 30k a year for a 5 year visa for skilled workers
If this is reciprocated, how many Brits in their 20s could go and work anywhere else in Europe? What if their career is in an industry that shifts away from the UK towards the EU, post our eventual slide out of the Single Market and Customs Union? I can see why this has been delayed for so long; our kids are being thrown under a bus to keep older people, who'd rather have boarded-up shop fronts than Polish shops in their market towns, happy.
One Radio 4 this afternoon they were talking to farmers about the potential impact of "no deal". 95% of lamb and 80% of beef produced in the UK is exported, mainly to the EU. No deal could result in huge delays at the borders - 3rd country status means we have to do additional veterinary checks plus tariffs added due to WTO - ironically, most vets employed to do the job in the UK are EU nationals. Anyway, it was suggested that Defra have contingency plans which could result in large scale slaughter of animals because of potential delays - 'dumping' on the UK market will result in a short-term price crash - the combination of both could be catastrophic to many farmers. The ERG MP they spoke to said it would be OK as they'd managed to negotiate a free trade deal within 6 months - by which time the damage will have been done.
Independence for England?
I've been saying that since the result was announced. Too much arrogance involved for them to do the decent thing though.
If this is reciprocated, how many Brits in their 20s could go and work anywhere else in Europe?
WHY R U PUNISHING US?
3rd country status means we have to do additional veterinary checks plus tariffs added due to WTO
For added LOLs: there aren't enough vets in the entire world to cover this.
That's nonsense Rene.
Hooray for cheese submarines!
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the maybot is going go for ref2
a. maybot
b. no deal
how do you vote ?
Citation /linky needed.
The maybot was stuck in a boot loop last time I checked..
Not her idea, but ministers and no 10 spads are briefing it to the press. See @Crazy-Legs post a few pages back.
Assumption is that back benchers (and maybe even the opposition) will amend to include a third option (referendum or EEA+CM) so the Tory leadership can't be the target of the "undemocratix" charges from the overseas owned press, and their own undead membership.
If the vote is for mays deal or no deal then I am voting for independence for Scotland 😉
I think we'll see a cross party coalition to force a commons vote on maybots deal (which technically ticks the box) and remain (which will be phrased in the context of extending a50 whilst we sort our shit out).
If the vote is for mays deal or no deal then I am voting for independence for Scotland
You seem sensible tj, at least you think it should be decided through a vote. Do you reckon May's deal would swing enough people towards indy? I know regardless of the noise from the DUP and how happy they would be at a no deal, this scenario will in all likelyhood see the end of the UK in its current format.
There seems resentment from some because the the rest of the UK has not declared independence from Scotland. That is swivel eyed loon territory.
The Queen could in theory, step in as we'd be talking about the break up of the UK.
She could technically dissolve the government and form a new cross party group for the interim.
Let's face it, unless there's a cross party VONC, and a reversal of brexit the UK will eventually be broken up.
Ni will be annexed and the Scotts will follow.
The Welsh aren't particularly pleased either.
Let's be clear (LOL) we are talking about the breakup of the UK here.
Dovebiker the Farming community voted overwhelming for Brexit, i live in an agricultural community and i have asked many what they hoped for post brexit (bearing in mind most export to the EU and receive significant subsidies) and i have not had a single answer....
They complain about red tape? Which will now increase for EU exports?
They dont seem to have a grasp on what the "Donald" will do to them with a "trade" deal.let alone Canada NZ Australia.
However i know why this happened, as a commumuty since the second world war they have been supported financially like no other industry and when stuff goes wrong (,foot and mouth,) they get a nice cheque. Towards the end of last summer as the drought began to bite they had started to lobby the gov. For "drought assistance" They belive that no matter what the gov will keep writing cheques to keep them afloat.
But and its a big nasty but WTO rules dictate a maximum subsidy of 5% of GDP per industry - or about 20% of the current CAP payment. Added to this tariffs ranging from 10 to 40%.
Beyond this JRM Gove Boris Fox will sell their arses and the Fishermans for the US services deal.
The only sane question would be Mays deal Vs remain but they will only work that out after arguing for months about the alternatives.
Mays deal Vs no deal, I would spoil my paper but already be working on my emigration plan.
There would also be riots.
