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A BREXIT brainstorming session has come up with the idea of boosting the UK’s economy by remaining in the EU.The entire Conservative cabinet was brought together to think of new and radical approaches to Brexit by prime minister Theresa May, who told everyone that there are no bad ideas and everything is on the table.
Brexit secretary David Davis said: “It was 2am when Liam Fox said ‘If we need to be in the single market and we need freedom of movement, why don’t we join the EU?’
“Unfortunately we realised that, post-Brexit, there’s no way we’d meet the criteria – the country will be a wreck – but as we haven’t actually left yet we can simply stay in.
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Daily Mash is always work a laugh
Hollande was spouting more merde yesterday saying from France's perspective Article 50 [b]had[/b] to completed by 2019 from France's perspective. He seems to ignore the fact the timing has nothing to do with him. Brexit gives him and Merkel a big problem as they face general elections this year. Sarkozy dug up the old "lets put the Jungle camp in UK" yesterday as well, even the French are well aware the migrants are in France illegally and they cannot travel to the UK not least as many have "lost" their passports
Interesting comments coming from the G20 (along the lines of are you f***ing insane). Are we about to have another Suez moment?
Interesting comments coming from the G20 (along the lines of are you f***ing insane). Are we about to have another Suez moment?
Yeah but we're British. Performing a Brexit is no ordinary task, to perform one, the user must be British. Many French, Germans and Italians have met their end attempting to perform a Brexit, the most notable being Mussolini, who performed a Brexit from the League of Nations in 1937. Six years later, his corpse was hanging upside-down, suspended on meat hooks from the roof of a petrol station.
Ah, I see in the Telegraph everything's fine on the trade negotiations front- we're going to borrow negotiators from the nations we're negotiating with. That's genius, we'll have all their negotiators and they'll have none and they'll have to agree to anything we want.
Maybe Jeremy Hunt could follow this genius approach and borrow contract negotiators from the BMA.
I enjoyed Liam Foxes statement the other day that we need to return to a Britain of the "Victorian buccaneering spirit"
I'm sure that a lot of the parts of the world we pillaged at the time would much rather we didn't. What a *ing idiotic statement.
I'm still going with my assumption that Theresa has put those 3 utter clowns in charge of proceedings, safe in the knowledge that they're going to * it up to such a ridiculous degree (and all the signs show they are already) that the whole thing will dissolve into complete farce (and all the signs show they are already), she'll step in, do a deal involving nothing much changing. Still with access to the single market, with freedom of movement the other side of the deal.
Fingers crossed
What a ****ing idiotic statement.
FFS binners do you always have to be so partisan
I for one would love the opportunity to be a pirate on the high seas
So far it's been humble pie all round from the doomsday merchants.
I see Obama couldn't help himself but comment,mstill talking about "back of the queue" when the queue is only 1 deal under discussion and now ex UK the EU will almost certainly never sign TTIP. Obama also is history, US election in November and new POUS in Jan will make any decisions.
We all understand it was best for the US and many others for us to remain in the EU as we helped prop it up. The Brexit will hurt Europe so that's less exports for US etc to Europe and a big question mark about what will happen when Greece finally defaults.
Makes total sense to accept offer of help from Aussie, NZ and Canadian negotiators. All long term relationships with similar outlooks and all keen to do a deal with us. Makes perfect sense to line up deals with these countries and others, EU is a dogs breakfast of 27 different points of view
May is meeting world leaders, she's already had 1-1 with Merkel and Hollande so no need to see them at G20
Who could disagree that the entire world has fallen at our feet and a brave new economic dawn awaits us all 😆t's been humble pie all round from the doomsday merchants.
TBH its way to early to be sure but the evidence is - and there is nothing to support such an absurd statement as yours
1. The Eu will - as was so obvious - play "hardball- which means we wont get our cake an eat it
2. No one else is particularly interested in us
What happen over the next two years is still up in the air but its certainly a choppy sea we will be a pirating on.
Keep up at the back will you or you run the risk of looking like you are ignorant of the facts and merely awash with optimism not matched by realitystill talking about "back of the queue" when the queue is only 1 deal under discussion
After her first bilateral meeting with Obama, May was warned that the US wanted to focus on trade negotiations with the EU and a bloc of pacific nations before considering a deal with the UK.
You can tell how proud I felt as the nice man at the bureau of the change (made it almost inglish) only gave me 575 of the dirty euros for my splendid £500 . The less of that foreign muck money I have to carry around the better.
3 cheers for Mr Farage.
Liam Fox of the Crimson Permanent Assurance no doubt.
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How can you talk about humble pie - economic activity is on balance weaker despite a massive stimulus from a weaker pound, lower IR, greater fiscal stimulus and the outlook is more uncertain that it needs to be or should be.
But since we have no idea about what the end game will look like, it seems pretty foolhardy to be drawing conclusions now
😯So far it's been humble pie all round from the doomsday merchants.
Um maybe because nothing has happened yet, we are in the phony war but don't let that spoil you idiotic view of things
An independent Yorkshire would be the ideal place for companies to set
No believe me as someone who saw first hand how European money was used to regenerate...its shite
Humble pie may be available once something has actually happened, maybe when 2/10 of the brexit promises are delivered.
(awaits memo declaring that Great Britain be used more often - tick promise delivered)
@tmh IMF already said the UK has bounced back from the immediate "shock" at Referendum result. Instead of forecasted recession (scaremongering) they now predict growth for 2017. Chief doomsdayer Osbourne is long gone, got a good slap from his own Tory party MPs for his punishment budget the day after he announced it.
Yes oir holiday spending money has taken a hit but FX rates move all the time, the £ was lower than it is today against the € back in 2007/8. Lower exchange rates have already helped manufacturing and exports. Against $ we've seen £ recover a lot of ground. Once things become more certain I have no doubt both rates will recover and in particular againat fhe € which IMO is going a lot lower, it may even disappear altogether.
Lots of press coverage today obviously of the German elections where AfD moved into second place.Merkel may even not stand again in 2017. Europe could well look very different by the end of 2017 and we'll have a new POUSA too.
mikewsmith - MemberHumble pie may be available once something has actually happened
Exactly. Saw an interview with some brexiteer a while back who was crowing about how the economic damage hasn't been as bad as some predicted. The interviewer basically said "You do realise we haven't left the EU? This is just the damage caused by saying we're going to leave" He didn't really seem to understand the difference tbh.
It's fairly unlikely that the big picture will be as bad as some of the fantasy figures from economic halfwits like Osborne, but who ever took an Osborne economic prediction seriously? I've said this before but you don't get points for failing less catastrophically than your critics said you'd fail; if I roll towards a jump and someone says "you'll die", and then all that happens is I paralyse myself, I don't call that a victory. Maybe that's because I lack the go-getting mindset of a brexiteer.
We have a huge increase in racism and tend of thousands of our friends and neighbours are fearing for their futures and those of their families. I'm mourning the loss of some of my rights that mean a lot to me too. But everything's great, course it is.. 🙄
Meanwhile...
Theresa May has cast doubt on the feasibility of a points-based system for controlling immigration into the UK, one of the key promises of Leave campaigners during the EU referendum.
Speaking in China, the PM acknowledged people had voted for more control on the numbers of people moving to the UK.
But she questioned whether a points system, backed by Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson among others, would work.
She suggested it was not a "silver bullet" for addressing public concerns.
I just don't know why the remain lot are not going for the wafer thin mint after all the humble pie...
From the [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37271420 ]BBC[/url]; "but this is the first sign that one of the referendum's winning side's promises may not be kept."
No, no it really isn't...
The good news just keeps on coming....well, good news if you're a foreign investor, I mean:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267
So the Japanese are the first (of many, no doubt) to bring a bit of uncomfortable reality to the [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/japan-brexit-letter-eu-uk-g20-europe-great-turmoil-economy-a7224841.html ]economic cloud cuckooland[/url] the Breixteers inhabit
[b]No one[/b] on the Leave side [b]promised[/b] points based immigration as the Leave campaign was a campaign not a government or a political party with a manifesto. It was a suggestion and imo a good one. May seems to be going down more of a quota / cap route. Also the comment that points based means you are obliged to accept applocants without limits is total cr@p. Depends how you design the system.
@binners the Japanese (and US etc) are cr@pping themselves that Europe is going to head into a deep recession due to Brexit compounded by staggering national debts in not jist Greece but Spain and Italy too. As such we have all this whinning as they want us to keep propping up the EU. Its no skin off their nose we pay £10bn a year into the pockets of other EU nations or we are subject uncontrolled immigration and a court supreme to our own
@cody good news also if you are 1 of the 68% of Brits who own their own home. A lower £ generaloy attracts foreign money into UK property in the same way it helps tourism and manufacturing
a? Another bit of bull shit. The leave campaign stood on platforms and promised stuff to people and now decides it's the publics problem for believing them. Most of this stuff is all the things that during the campaign were called out but people like you assured everyone it was all possible and would definitely happen. Take a good look and stop hiding behind the lies/fakes/bullshit side of it.as the Leave campaign was a campaign not a government or a political party with a manifesto. It was a
[i]@binners the Japanese (and US etc) are cr@pping themselves that Europe is going to head into a deep recession due to Brexit compounded by staggering national debts in not jist Greece but Spain and Italy too. As such we have all this whinning as they want us to keep propping up the EU. Its no skin off their nose we pay £10bn a year into the pockets of other EU nations or we are subject uncontrolled immigration and a court supreme to our own [/i]
Says the man that doesn't need a job in the UK...
@cody good news also if you are 1 of the 68% of Brits who own their own home.
I'm not sure what you mean by this one J- if you mean interest rates are lower for borrowing, then generally yes. But if we have an influx of strong foreign funds coming in, then this balance is strongly tipped in the foreign buyer's favour-
A lower £ generaloy attracts foreign money into UK property in the same way it helps tourism and manufacturing
Yes, but this is the thing, isn't it....its an ill wind that blows no-one any good, and I'm doubtful- very- that certain areas of the UK need their property markets to get any hotter.
A skyscraper being bought from abroad....well, I can live with that, though rental values then rise and that money flows offshore....but first-time buyers are getting hurt. That needs addressed.
No one on the Leave side promised points based immigration
Well, there's the inconvenient truth that the promise of such a scheme still sits on the voteleavetakecontrol.org website. Along with other fine promises such as the saving of £350M per week.
The leave campaign stood on platforms and promised stuff to people and now decides it's the publics problem for believing them. Most of this stuff is all the things that during the campaign were called out but people like you assured everyone it was all possible and would definitely happen.
Where's the complete collapse of western democracy that I was promised by remain?
Where's my Third World War?
I specifically voted to leave based entirely on the promise that these things would happen in the event that we voted to leave. In fact to someone like me they were the best things about it!
@binners the Japanese (and US etc) are cr@pping themselves that Europe is going to head into a deep recession due to Brexit compounded by staggering national debts in not jist Greece but Spain and Italy too. As such we have all this whinning as they want us to keep propping up the EU. Its no skin off their nose we pay £10bn a year into the pockets of other EU nations or we are subject uncontrolled immigration and a court supreme to our own
Fortunately, I believe that the Japanese have a better understanding of what is going on than this suggests.
The only thing that Brexiteers promised was false hope and less foreigners. It worked too.
@ninfan cause nothing has actually happened yet.
Ah, but that argument works both ways doesnt it!
Exactly THIS and no more. Until we actually leave, and not just trigger article 50, no-one has any firm ideas what the Jeff will happen. It all seems so 'okay' now, because we're all simply idling on regardless. Just as we would have been, regardless of a referendum or not.
jambalaya - Member
@cody good news also if you are 1 of the 68% of Brits who own their own home.
64.8%, lower than most of Europe (and declining) is the figure I can find. Where's the 68% come from? Also it sounds good, but context is as always everything.
@Lifer from memory so perhaps your figure is more up to date. I'd be surprised if UK was lower than France / Germany as people often don't buy until into their 30's
If house prices had fallen it would have been a Brexit disaster, now they are rising (but less quickly) thats a Brexit disaster.
G20 / OECD / IMF all political organisations with huge vested interests in an EU which avoids a further recession if possible as well as political institutiions having a vested interest in other political institutions being well regarded/successful.
@tmh if the Japanese are so damn economically smart how come their economy has stagnated for 25 years and in some areas property fell 80% and never recovered. Their banks once global players of real stature are still weighed under by low asset quality.
Much of the rest of the world sees the dent crises in Greece and its contagion to Spain and Italy, they see the rise of Front Nationale and AfD. They see scooe (inevitable imo) for a very deep European recession and they are nervous that the UK won't be propping up the dysfunctional EU for much longer
The press are in Brexit doom and gloom clickbait heaven, the stats tell a different story.
@tmh if the Japanese are so damn economically smart how come their economy has stagnated for 25 years and in some areas property fell 80% and never recovered. Their banks once global players of real stature are still weighed under by low asset quality.
Simple, they have experienced a balance sheet recession. We are experiencing broadly the same but are failing to learn from their experience - the arrogance of the West. Some here are foolhardy enough to pretend that our woes are related to our relationship with the EU. Bizarre nonsense
The press are in Brexit doom and gloom clickbait heaven, the stats tell a different story.
No they don't. As ^ there is not story yet. Yes we have an immediate impact but that is largely irrelevant. More importantly (they can see) that we are pi$$ing away an excellent structure for engaging with one of the world's most important trading zones.
Yep, lower than France.
Only Germany, Denmark and Austria below us.
THM at this point I think the fingers are so far in the ears they are touching. Anything good is due to brexit anything bad due to people trying to ruin the party. What the result is doesn't matter so long as the UK has left the eu. Any cost great enough and all that. Ever watched the film where in the end everyone dies on the obvious suicide mission but we are all meant to feel like it was worth it? Guess that works if your not one of the bodies...
And CMD was correct on one thing - this is/will be self-inflicted harm and we have no one else to blame
Which reminds me isnt Davies giving a Brexit update today?
jambalaya - Member
@cody good news also if you are 1 of the 68% of Brits who own their own home. A lower £ generaloy attracts foreign money into UK property in the same way it helps tourism and manufacturing
That's a very narrow view. It helps assembly type manufacturing where labour rate is the cost driver, but doesn't help actual manufacturing (IE Rolls Royce, GKN, Airbus, etc) as raw material/imports costs are now substantially higher.
Which reminds me isnt Davies giving a Brexit update today?
Damn, missed it. How were the details and the plans?
It was largely aspirational and spin. Heavy on what we would achieve light on how.
4 pledges and very little/nothing of concrete - his dept is now at about 300 staff
to be fair there was nothing to stop this happening 😉I think the fingers are so far in the ears they are touching.
nice to see May trumpeting the fact that 5 countries in the G20 are interested in doing a deal, so that means 15 are at varying levels of uninterested?
And yes it is very easy to do a trade deal, harder to do a deal that doesn't see you get shafted. but hey ho.
A lower £ generaloy attracts foreign money into UK property
Jam - if you think having dodgy Russians buy up UK housing stock is a good thing for Britain you are [s]the biggest moron [/s] very misguided.
Junker's nose out of joint 😀
Supposedly said today that as UK is still in the EU it is the EU who should be conducting any trade negotiations with other parties. In another major development Hollande said he accepted that the UK would not be triggering Article 50 in 2016. Welcome to the programme Francois.
@mrmo well over many years the EU managed to do trade deals with The Vatican and Palestine before finally adding Canada. So the fact we are engaged with 5 G20 countries shows how much more able a single country is able to do a deal in bilateral talks than the total dogs breakfast that is 28 European nations. In fairness it's not surprising the EU made so little progress as its primarily an inward looking organisation.
@Leku we live in a free and open society - we don't control who buys what. FWIW Asian and specificaly Chinese buyers are much more numerous than the Russians who whatever you think of them tend to spend a lot of mkney here on rennovations etc. We've always had a lot of intrnational buyers, used to be mainly Arab money but much more diverse now
@Daffy international products like aircraft engines are priced in dollars. The raw material costs don't change just because £/$ moves (assuming they are "imported") but our local UK labour costs, premesis etc are all cheaper in $ terms
Yes, they do. My business costs are in £ due to UK funding for RnD and my raw material costs are in $ and €...in which direction do you think my cost have gone and what effect do you think that's had on my profitability?
If sales of aircraft have not gone up and I still have to pay my staff the same wage, whilst material costs and energy costs are increasing...what's happening to my profit?
Your model relies on increasing sales and assumes that a business has the capacity to handle the increased work with additional investment in either man power or equipment. It's flawed.
Daffy
The raw material costs don't change just because £/$ moves
Depends how you've hedged your accounts really.
Yes it does but why hedge costs in dollars if the sale peice is in dollars, just saying. Yes a lower exchange rate "imports inflation" for good consumed within the UK but we've some scope for that as inflation is below the BoE target. There where posters here saying a lower £ would be bad for manufacturers but usually thats not the case
So far it's been humble pie all round from the doomsday merchants.
You spent weeks after the referendum telling us to ignore the short terms and that we'd need to wait a decade to see how things turn out.
But we haven't even left yet and now you're saying the "doomsday merchants" were wrong?
good news also if you are 1 of the 68% of Brits who own their own home.
....
A lower £ generaloy attracts foreign money into UK property in the same way it helps tourism and manufacturing
I was speaking (amiably) to an old boy a couple of weeks ago who told me he voted Leave because he didn't think it was fair that his son couldn't afford to buy property is his own country because "it was all owned by foreigners".
I pointed out that leaving the EU won't prevent that and a weaker pound actually makes it a lot easier for foreigners to buy up UK property.
He changed the subject. 😕
Yes, they do. My business costs are in £ due to UK funding for RnD and my raw material costs are in $ and €...in which direction do you think my cost have gone and what effect do you think that's had on my profitability?
what are these the R&D costs you get tax credits of 230% for offsetting the corporation tax ?
If sales of aircraft have not gone up and I still have to pay my staff the same wage, whilst material costs and energy costs are increasing...what's happening to my profit?
Your model relies on increasing sales and assumes that a business has the capacity to handle the increased work with additional investment in either man power or equipment. It's flawed.
Unlike doing R&D and not figuring out how to work smarter, maybe they should remove the idiot in charge and put an experienced resource manager in there to make a profit.
I'm pretty sure Jambaliar must be an absolute master troll.
Anyway, want to remind yourself why you voted leave?
http://voteleavetakecontrol.org/our_case.html
Unlike doing R&D and not figuring out how to work smarter, maybe they should remove the idiot in charge and put an experienced resource manager in there to make a profit.
Are you calling (taking a wild guess based on financial reports) Rolls Royce incompetent as opposed to taking responsibility for the effect that the brexit vote has had?
That's hilarious coming from a brexiteer, the people who usually **** themselves senseless to the sound of a Merlin engine.
You know, I'd start believing in god if Rolls Royce ever goes under because of Brexit - the hilarity would just be too much for me to process.
How were the details and the plans?
More or less as detailed as you'd expect.
So David Davies was just expressing his opinion yesterday.
"Theresa May has slapped down one of her most senior Cabinet Ministers after he said it is "very improbable" that the UK will remain a member of the single market if the country is to regain control of its borders.
The Prime Minister's spokesman said it is not right to be "putting all your cards on the table" and claimed David Davis was setting out "his opinion", not government policy, when he spoke in Parliament yesterday.
Mr Davis told the House of Commons that it is "a simple truth" that if the UK was forced to accept free movement of people it would be unlikely that the country could remain in the single market. "
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/theresa-may-rebukes-david-davis-over-warning-that-uk-could-leave/ ]Naughty boy[/url]
Any bets on how long she can keep micromanaging the egos?
I thought it was well established that anything from a Brexit point of view is only opinion and not to be believed. Don't try and hold anyone to what they say as they really didn't mean it and as the minister responsible had no business trying to make policy... Satire is truly dead
The Prime Minister's spokesman said it is not right to be "putting all your cards on the table"
Quite right, but it might raise confidence if we could at least see the deck.
The deck is very complex.
They don't know what game they're playing yet.
It's a ****ing joke. Well it would be if the stakes weren't so high. 10 weeks in and they don't have a ****ing clue, not a single one of them. They haven't even got to the beginning of the beginning.
You mean those advocating Brexit didn't have a detailed exit strategy ready to table? I'm shocked.
I didn't follow the argument here, but I'm guessing most were for remaining, with the Government in charge and very much assuming the remain vote would get it and positively pushing in that direction, why would they have a plan, it was unthinkable.
But it's here and now they have to grasp the nettle, so my question would be who would you rather be arguing our case? I'm no lover of the Tories, but I very much get the vibe Mrs May is a contrary enough, tough enough hard nosed female who will not sell us short.
I like the fact she's stuffed Hinkley back on the burner (I'm sure it's a chip to be played later with the French and Chinese) It's very unusual for the Japs to be so undiplomatically loud, like they allow free movement of people into japan ffs, there is the defence issue, it is a little known fact the Eu contributes allegedly 50% to our defense budget and that was due to include Trident, then there's TTIP which we really don't want to be signed into, plus a whole host of other complexities that are going to take years to unravel, but despite all this I'm still inclined to the view better in than out, well into the current arrangement, what the EU will look like in 2 years time remains to be seen, but my money is on it being something very different to what we have now.
I very much get the vibe Mrs May is a contrary enough, tough enough hard nosed female who will not sell us short.
Problem is that most of her party want two mutually incompatible things. They want successful businesses, which means free market, but they don't want foreigners all over the place, which is a condition for the free market.
[quote=GrahamS ]
The Prime Minister's spokesman said it is not right to be "putting all your cards on the table"
Quite right, but it might raise confidence if we could at least see the deck.
I think at this point I'd settle for just seeing a card they're not holding
Nothing they can do about 'foreigners' now, they've spent too long badly educating and 'indulging' the indigenous species not to have to rely on work ethics from other countries, it's just the volume they might eventually have to bring under control, it is getting a bit rammed and if you are unfortunate like me to have to live in the South which is fast becoming a building sitet, you might also come to that conclusion.
The free market is a trade thing, trade also needs people, there will be some form of deal with free movement of employed folk, but I suspect there will be a requirement for English speakers among low skilled workers, we can't operate without them.
then there's TTIP which we really don't want to be signed into
I'm not sure that our government agree on that.
The UK was the biggest supporter of TTIP in the EU. It was the rest of the EU that prevented us from signing it (thankfully).
if you are unfortunate like me to have to live in the South which is fast becoming a building site
Person living in the South complaining about people living in the South...?
TTIP was never going to happen, the EU constantly delayed and fudged and renegotiated to the point of death, it was just another Brexiter lie
Having seen some of David Davies impassioned waffling yesterday asserting that we'd not be in the single market only to see him slapped down by PM May I'm more convinced than ever that she's set him up to fail, but what's the betting he tries to get us to sign up to TTIP and try and claim it as a great trade agreement.
He's already got 300? people working at the ministry of Brexit, and we are told that it will have to expand hugely to have a chance at negotiating our way out easily
Brexit, It's never going to happen.....
I knew the brexiters didn't have a plan at the time of the referedum: I was rather expecting those who want to leave to have at least started to come up with one in the 10 weeks since.
Agree with kimbers et al:
one of the worrying things for me in all of this is that if we do exit, I can see America putting the TTIP screws to us- by this I mean that any 'sweeping free trade' deal (in reality of course there's no such thing) will be conditional on us signing up to it.
Before I get shouted down, I'm well aware of existing trade agreements that we have with the US, but as others have said above, we were almost the solo cheerleaders for TTIP in the EU, and I can see this becoming a condition.
Don't be daft. They bailed out. It's someone else's problem to work out how.
Current Brexit analogy:
It's like being in a plane half an hour away from a safe landing in London, passing over your house and simply jumping out. Then thinking everything's great cos you're really close to home, in fact you'll be there in two minutes. Much better than going all the way to London!
what are these the R&D costs you get tax credits of 230% for offsetting the corporation tax ?
Once again, I have absolutely no idea what you're saying...
UK Research tax credits are ~7.5%, but once again you missed the point by almost a parsec.
And the hits keep on coming.
There is no reliable data to identify EU nationals in the UK or the length of their stay in the country, immigration minister Robert Goodwill has said.
He told MPs this lack of detail would not affect Brexit negotiations as he could not foresee a situation in which all EU nationals were told to leave
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37291830 ]"We have databases"[/url]
Once again, I have absolutely no idea what you're saying...
You evidently have no idea about R&D tax relief either.
the longer you lot go on and on with your obviously complete knowledge about britex, you are delaying the inevitable independence for Yorkshire.
You "comer inner's" taking up our trails, drinking our beer. Free Yorkshire! an better be cheap.
philxx1975 - Member
You evidently have no idea about R&D tax relief either.
No, no idea at all, and neither do our external accountants, nor any of the internal finance team.
In fact, why don't we fire them all and take you on as a consultant?