We = our side/those who wanted remain (occasionally used for a sub segment which is less correct before diss picks that up too)
its hard to keep up with your edits
Let's get staying part of the Single Market, and Customs Union, back on the table… it's only ruled out by "our side".
List and attribute these remain "lies" please THM. As I said, we might agree… or you might be talking about how Leave campaigners reported on "Project Fear"… you know, all the "WWIII" and "we'll go into recession immediately following a Leave vote" over simplifications and distortions.
under par v below par
Perhaps it was this confusion that led to the financial crash? Lots of golf-playing bankers who thought "subpar lending" must mean it is really good. 🙂
Sub par or sub prime 😳
You've never heard of subpar lending THM?
What IS it that you do?
Bwhahahahahh, so in reality Corbyn just swung Labour right (or further around the horseshoe, so they are closer to the right).
My model of political persuasion is a circular one. If moderate is 12 o'clock and you go clockwise for increasingly right wing and anti-clockwise for increasingly left wing, then the two merge imperceptibly at 6 o'clock.
I think it’s time that libertarian conservatives and labour members formed their own party.
Now you just need to think of a name and try to attract voters away from the established parties.
Someone said that the govt had forecast brexit would only cost 0.6% of GDP. I think that might be one of the lies THM is referring to.
Well I'm no highly qualified financier but to quote wikipedia:
In finance, subprime lending (also referred to as near-prime, subpar, non-prime, and second-chance lending) means making loans to people who may have difficulty maintaining the repayment schedule
Use the queens English not the US bastardised version. Avoids being vague 😉
Captain - has a mod stolen your log in?
the BS is simple – the lies we told as part of project fear are the ones that have been exposed.
Once more with feeling: which lies are you referring to? You keep asserting this, yet you've yet to back it up with evidence or even explain what you're actually referring to. Because you can't, it's just rhetoric and propaganda.
But you know this don't you, you're not silly. It's been your game plan since you got back, you know full well that if you actually provided any evidence for anything or backed up what you were claiming then you wouldn't be winding people up half as much.
It seems the limit of THM's financial experience is that he managed to get himself an overdraft.
Use the queens English not the US bastardised version
"Sub-prime" is a term from those Americans, is it not?
What sector DO you work in?
Either that or a lesser-known Transformer.
Avoids being vague
Why break the habit of a lifetime? 😀
Have the ERG presented their alternative plan yet
They have done their big PR meeting but facts still seem slim on the ground. They are leaving it until tomorrow to sort out Northern Ireland. Apparently their proposal " “which any reasonable person would accept". The use of reasonable there I think shows a similar lack of understanding of NI politics that Karen Bradley showed.
On the plus side Steve Baker says whilst most economists are uiseless fortunately they have been lucky enough to get the couple whose analysis is based in reality. Fortunate really that reality matches his ideology. Who would have thought it?
that he managed to get himself an overdraft.
The question is whether it was an authorised one or not. I reckon even odds.
Still failing to read the posts from pages back and the Peston ones cougar???
as part of project fear we told lots of lies about the impact of the vote immediately before hand. They were wrong then, even more so now. You can tell a moaner from a mainer depending on whether they accept this or not. The former are more prevent - at least here
it’s a bit like the “white lie” about a reformed EU. It can only go one way if the € is to survive - heaven forbid.
Use the queens English not the US bastardised version.
Which one is Queen's English THM?
worse than usual, or below the expected standard
relating to a bond or share that sells at a price that is lower than the value shown on it
-- https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/below-par
not feeling or performing as well as normal
if a bond or stock is priced below par, it is trading below its face value.
-- https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/below-par
above (or below or under) par: Better (or worse) than is usual or expected.
-- https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/par
😉
Lots of lies eh?
They’ll be easy for you to list then!
I use below par with bonds for sure, prime for loans
Avoids being vague
Fail.
True colours flying high today again
@GrahamS, your first example is no longer really in use for loans. Died off before even I left that sector.
Subpar and subprime lending already meant lending to people with below the normally expected/required credit rating (and hence ability It repay quickly if required) in America… thanks to the credit crash, they are now terms used over here as well, with subprime being the version much preferred by the media.
Still failing to read the posts from pages back and the Peston ones cougar???
Option 1: I could read back through a thousand pages to attempt to guess what you're referring to.
Option 2: You could type a sentence.
as part of project fear we told lots of lies about the impact of the vote immediately before hand.
We've done this. A failure to accurately predict the future is not a lie. What else have you got?
It seems the limit of THM’s financial experience is that he managed to get himself an overdraft.
I think you will find "we" got ourselves an overdraft
Also, for clarity, when you say "we," are you referring to remain campaigners, remain voters or remain posters on STW? I'm assuming you mean the former.
1 read first time or a few pages back
2 if you missed the context and timing then you will always miss the point - deliberate or otherwise. Neither Peston nor I did, so have a look.
if you stop being vague.
Are you new around here ?
I didn't know obfuscation and trolling had their own flag,or are you referring to someone else trollhurtmore?
Is HM Treasury not specific enough, with the date? Read and scrutinise
Let’s not forget our resident Eu financial guru couldn’t tell me how much my chocolate would go up but waffled on about cocoa yields.
A quick look on the wto website and the answer was there.
Most fantasists pretend to be spies or fighter pilots.
Aim higher.
Your the chocolate expert Zippy and you had to ask others - even more bizarre
1 read first time or a few pages back
2 if you missed the context and timing then you will always miss the point – deliberate or otherwise. Neither Peston nor I did, so have a look.
I'm not interested in what a journalist says in the round.
List the lies, and attribute them to whoever said or published them.
Journalists can take "worst case scenerios" to make a headline, and report out of context. Let us scrutinise the actual words of whoever you said lied.
We might agree with you, if you are specific.
Oh wise THM , I am just a humble shop keeper with no knowledge of international trade deals ,that’s why I thought I’d ask a ****ing “expert”:
I’m not normally but I am when HMT and BoE have their independence compromised (the polite version of “forced to tell lies” )
Stick to experts Zippy the **** version are less likely to be reliable.
I am just a humble shop keeper
I think this explains a lot about THM position. Clearly they think everyone is an expert in international trade and politics and hence was able to make a fully informed decision when voting.
Better than assuming they are all thickos and or racists
Oh look a bespoke eurosquirrel. What a surprise.
Better than assuming they are all thickos and or racists
To be honest I would reckon both are flawed. For someone complaining about lies and exaggerations you do seem rather fond of them yourself though.
List the lies, and attribute them to whoever said or published them.
This
And while you are at it the lies from the treasury or the BOE please?
YOu have been asked this many times and its obvious that you are unable to do so.
Put up or shut up
Better than assuming they are all thickos and or racists
It would be better if voters were assumed to be idiots, yes. Topics could then get explained at the right level which they could understand. Okay it would patronise a lot of people but at least everyone would understand and therefore be informed. But of course, governments don't want informed electorates do they...
It would be better if voters were assumed to be idiots, yes.
Almost half of the populace is below average intelligence.
But that doesn't fit with THM's polemic, the notion that we're all smug and think everyone else is stupid is another leverage point he likes to use to throw stones at the group of people he claims to be one of in every other post.
