Thats almost as good as amongst Tory MPs.
Do we know which ones this week?
Grown up adults don't persist making absurd exaggerations. Like brexiters you can't debate that stuff
if it needs simplifying
poll was sourced today from Grimsby Telegraph - 9 months after Mikes article which gives the good folk of Grimsby plenty of time to reconsider. Looks like they still prefer to end membership of the EU..If you want to go up there and tell they don't understand, feel free and good luck
That's an impressive display of hypocrisy from thm considering how he embarrassed himself over misunderstanding the govt's own economic analyses despite the information being clearly presented on its web site (and easily found in a 20 second Google, though anyone with a passing understanding of economics wouldn't have made his mistake in the first place).
and he still can't link..... It's not that hard.
The 6% what deal are they signing up to? Is it the impossible one or is it the one she has not got sorted yet.
If it turns to be shite what does that mean?
As others pointed out, it wasn't me who misunderstood the government data. But feel free to keep making things up, it ps what keeps this thread going. The truth is far more humdrum
The torygraph ran the same story on the same day about the data. You could write to the editor to fire their economic editor if you like
Like brexiters you can’t debate that stuff
Sigh - what kind of poll - what sampling method - when was the sample taken - what was the question asked - when was it published … or a simple link to the source will do.
Can't see the problem with Grimsby, they decide to vote and then suggest a way to make the change stressfree - seems remarkably sensible to me - shame more aren't being proactive like this.
You see THM the problem here is it's a moving conversation, when you say things like Mikes link when talking about polling it could have been the stuff I posted a bit back about actual polling. Try using the quote function and links to help people put the random text in context.
Ah, found it … maybe … self selective poll, if it's the same one.
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/how-would-you-vote-another-1816552
I can't see the sample size, or time period.
Where are the "do not knows'?
Still, 6% support the government's proposed deal. Everything is going great.
If you want Grimsby specific polling then it is probably good to review their local paper which you linked to. Likewise if you want facts and figures about the additional £300 million of aid announced today - go to the gov.uk site for the relevant department.
Can’t see the problem with Grimsby, they decide to vote and then suggest a way to make the change stressfree – seems remarkably sensible to me – shame more are being proactive like this.
Some of us are, we tell the mail and express we left, tell the EU we didn't mean it and then stop everyone with a blue passport leaving the country
Bring on the Christian Brotherhood of Shills.
No, same paper just not a story from 9 months ago
Plus, in July they also reported that 77% of their readers did not believe in a second referendum. Seems like you have a lot of persuading to do.
So pondos claim three pages back is easy to falsify, it would appear.
Is is this it? Grimsby 51% leave. Somewhat softening its position then?
A marginal 51 per cent of those who voted say they would vote leave, with 49 per cent in camp remain.
However, nine per cent of people who voted leave say they would now vote to remain in the EU.
So piss poor use of polling there but if that reads right it's a swing of 4.5-5% in 12 months which is significant when put in the perspective of a 52/48 result with the turnout there was.
Or not if you really don't want to talk about it
The editor of the Grimsby Telegraph is going to be delighted with all the new hits to GrimsbyLive. Will we now get spammed by fish shops >>>>>>
Can’t see the problem with Grimsby, they decide to vote and then suggest a way to make the change stressfree – seems remarkably sensible to me
No - what they want is Brexit and for everyone to suffer the consequences BUT them.
Bloody elites. All the same...
The editor of the Grimsby Telegraph is going to be delighted with all the new hits to GrimsbyLive.
Oh the ironing.
Well the Grimsby Telegraph does seem to have conveyed more than some today 🙂
I will let you take your own responsibility for it.
Burden of proof.
C'mon, THM, you're surely better than that. "Do your own research" is the argument of the conspiracy theorist.
Nah, reading made up versions is much more entertaining that the realities of the government website (oops mentioned that twice now, as mefty did too).
Does our friend jive refer to the government website too? (dann thats three times) Wow, better wade through the cain thread abuse and see what he's saying these days?
Cougar, are you still bellyaching about the advisory referendum or have you now accepted that became completely irrelevant as soon as our elected representatives voted overwhelmingly to trigger Article 50?
mefty did too
I think I got away with it.
No – what they want is Brexit and for everyone to suffer the consequences BUT them.
That's rather uncharitable, I am sure they believe Brexit offers the whole country great opportunties providing they are willing to look for them.
It's uncharitable of the Grimsby fish industry to seek special dispensation not to suffer the effects of Brexit.
Cougar, are you still bellyaching about the advisory referendum or have you now accepted that became completely irrelevant as soon as our elected representatives voted overwhelmingly to trigger Article 50?
I think it should be the other way round - the vote should never have been put to the public in the first place and the results in no way reflected what our electes officials professed to believe, but the vote to trigger article 50 was skewed beyond belief, reflecting neither public nor government opinion.
I'd post links to support my view but of course that's no longer required as we all have Google.
They are just asking for an extension to them of a regime that already Southampton, Liverpool, Tillbury etc benefit from
skewed beyond belief
Indeed it was skewed by the advice they received from the country.
Indeed it was skewed by the advice they received from the country.
I don't know WHAT it was skewed by, but the vote reflected neither MPs pre-Brexit views nor the views of the electorate.
I think I got away with it.
Not really just moves you towards time waster troll territory, I mean imagine not wanting to just make it easy for people to follow what you are trying to say. Bit shit that really, much easier to avoid any confusion and just paste a link. Then we can all make sure we are talking about the same stuff and not get confused there. Unless that's what you pair are trying to do.
Anyway can't wait for more tales from the magic money tree tomorrow
time waster troll territory
Thanks for your kind invitation to your club, but my views mirror Groucho Marx's.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Fits with the average Tory remainer-cum-quitling very nicely indeed.
That reveals a previously hidden touch of wit - very good
lol, even I have to laugh at the sad figure of Mrs May going round third world countries drumming up business. But hey its a start..
I'm not sure I'd say it's a start ..getting someone to say "hey if the price is right we'll buy it" isn't the problem or challenge for a trade deal it is what they want in return. When we go to the next country and were the one giving away 4Bn what will the next trade block ask for?
We already know what India wants, they were pretty up front and it's easier immigration to the UK... but I don't think that is something the 'majority' of Brexit voters want?
as soon as our elected representatives voted overwhelmingly to trigger Article 50?
I am not sure you have thought that one through properly. Are you in favour of them being able to vote in favour of rescinding it?
Hang on. So Grimsby wants to leave, but not lose an of the benefits of remaining. And we're meant to respect that position? Surely it's ridiculous?
Well the gNats tried it so why not the good folk of Grimsby. We gave both the vote too.
Gnats?
Sorry did I get the lower and upper cases mixed up
Gove has even managed to get a shout out for Brexit when congratulating Lewis Pugh!!
Can't wait to see how Gove protects the great British coastlines! Maybe stopping scallop fishing between certain times of the year like Macron... Oh wait.
Although interestingly the French fishermen are saying a no-deal Brexit would solve the problem from their perspective. Hopefully a grown-up will be along shortly to explain again why no-deal Brexit is just so awesome...
Hang on. So Grimsby wants to leave, but not lose an of the benefits of remaining. And we’re meant to respect that position? Surely it’s ridiculous?
It's not ridiculous for Grimsby though .... which is a microcosm of the whole mess.
Everyone else can PAY for Grimsby ... how/where money comes from to support it isn't Grimsby's problem ... if they take what jobs there are from Newcastle or somewhere else they would doubtless celebrate even if it cost 2 jobs for every new one created ...
It's only when you look bigger that how ridiculous this is sinks in.
At this stage anything other than pointing and laughing seems unnecessary.
Cougar, are you still bellyaching
Would you rather I shut up and got over it because I lost?
How very democratic of you.
I doubt that the people of Grimsby are doing that. They are probably more surprised that they won.
Pointing and laughing at us would be rubbing it in a bit too much
Oh how droll THM. Have you looked up those Govt economic analyses that you so badly misunderstood yet? Or are you still clinging to your nonsense claim that the 15-year GDP growth would only drop from 25% to 24.4% after brexit?
