So.
This shower of shit have spent the best part of two years ineffectually arguing with themselves over this totally unnecessary and damaging course of action. And they still can’t agree amongst themselves. Then they are expecting the EU to bend over backwards in the next few months to accommodate something that not even the government themselves know what it is yet. Or, as Little Liam seems to suggest, expecting the EU to come up with a plan that is acceptable to the loons and perhaps presenting it on a cushion and bended knee before Queen Theresa.
We have gone from £350m extra a week for the NHS to unconvincing assurances that there will be ‘adequate’ food supplies when we crash out and police cancelling leave in advance of the likely backlash from a lot of the people who voted for this nonsense.
It’s a ****ing shambles.
I await, without pleasure, observing the collapse from afar.
Good luck everybody. 😦
To be honest woppit, I think the UK government is making such a **** up of all this, we will probably be rounded up and sent back to blighty.
Through out the whole process I was kind of relaxed about my status in Germany and my ability to continue working here, just thought I would have to maybe do a bit extra paperwork. I thought it was a shame that future generations would not be afforded the opportunity that I took, but I didn't think it would have much bearing on my current situation.
I am now extremely concerned that even though I saw the tory brexit party bust to disaster as an act of utter stupidity, I actually underestimated just how much they could **** it up.
I hope anyone living abroad who's funded by a UK pension or investments is prepared for what this debacle could do to the exchange rate. The Euro is bound to take a hit but it'll be nothing to what could happen to Sterling.
1: Yes. All my working and 'put-by' cash will be in Euros in a Spanish bank and Spanish annuity by March.
2: If it comes to it, I shall take back my own control by locking myself in and taking advantage of a whole box of Spanish 1800mg ibuprofen tablets.
I'd rather that than go back to bloody Ruritania
Still have a house in the Uk , with lot of equity , that we rent out . We could not make as much money as we are hoping to .
Also got a frozen private pension . But got my national insurance statement before I left .
My wife might need to apply for french nationality at some point this year .
Ladies and gentlemen, Liam fox:
The prominent Brexiteer said he believed the risk of a no-deal scenario had increased, pinning the blame on the European Commission and Brussels' chief negotiator.
"I think the intransigence of the commission is pushing us towards no deal," he told The Sunday Times. "We have set out the basis in which a deal can happen but if the EU decides that the theological obsession of the unelected is to take priority over the economic wellbeing of the people of Europe then it's a bureaucrats' Brexit - not a people's Brexit - then there is only going to be one outcome."
That's a word salad if ever I've seen one. I wonder if he knows what it means.
My sister has been living and working in holland for 30 years. She is taking Dutch citizenship and I might move there for leaving day and get her and her husband to adopt me 🙂
I wonder if he knows what it means.
It it means that everything will always be someone else’s fault and that no responsiblity should ever be placed at a Brexiteers door...
let the finger pointing and hand washing begin. Also I expect the fact that many will be offshoring funds will be spun as prudence to protect themselves from EU vengeance....
Isn’t Liam Fox a bit like Raab though? Fancy job title, but in reality he’s just there to make the tea or make sure they don’t run out of paper clips?
this brexit mess is also going land at the feet of the freer /less rabid parts of UK press. Not once have I heard an interviewer ask/tell a senior member of the government "You do know the EU is not going to let you have zero tariff access to the Single market without out freedom of movement and if we are going to end up with the norway option why the **** did we ever bother with this shit in the first place or are you suggesting we go for No Deal ?"
People will always vote for no deal. Of the two options it is more palatable for sale to the public.
option a - Norway/eea
worse than we are on now and this is easily quantifiable. There is no logical reason to do this. Why leave if it will all be the same? If remaining was a tough sell this is impossible...
option b - no deal
you cannot quantify throwing you economy to the wind so the leavers can believe in magic unicorns. It attracts the **** you groups who have the EU and the ones that want to see remainers suffer also remainers who want to punish leavers...
As it came up randomly on my headphones today... At what point do we start playing ‘The Final Countdown’ by, rather fittingly, Europe?
also remainers who want to punish leavers…
I think punish is a tad inaccurate. Rather just make sure that they are the ones who bear the brunt of their choice rather than be protected and the damage deflected onto others.
Regardless of the deal reached that is something which should be a goal.
Apart from the less obvious impacts like a gradual decline in work conditions and the demise of eu strategic investments in less developed areas (which have wales nice tourist things with a little sign but had questionable impact) how will your average leave voter be impacted? Farmers will be protected, jobless will still be jobless....
how will your average leave voter be impacted?
Prices of imported stuff will go up or be in shortage..
We import lots of food from Europe.. so when the pound tanks... peoples weekly shops will rise
Thats if there's enough food to even go around
I would have sworn that Fox said that this would be 'one of the easiest [deals] in history'... So not just disgraced but a lying stupid gobshite too.
jobless will still be jobless….
The "average Leave voter" isn't jobless, if you mean working age unemployed. And, of course things can still get FAR worse for those that are unemployed in the UK then they are now, miserable though that is… look into being unemployed in the USA, for example.
We've got May and Hunt telling the French and the Germans how important it is for Europe to do a deal, and Fox talking about how we're heading for a "no-deal" Brexit. All this activity - with practically nothing from Europe - tells me that it's not going very well for the UK.
It's like when you're haggling over something - the person who keeps making new offers is the one that's desperate for a deal; the one who is just folding their arms and walking away knows they can do better.
look into being unemployed in the USA, for example.
Social security for for unemployment and pension is related to how much you paid in and for how long. For those who are not familiar...
the person who keeps making new offers is the one that’s desperate for a deal; the one who is just folding their arms and walking away knows they can do better.
Not it sure they have time to get a word in...
I’ve said right from the off that this isn’t a negotiation. Never was. Never will be.
At the eleventh hour the EU will stick their ‘deal’ on the table and say “there you go... take it or ****ing leave it”, and we’ll sign on the line or risk economic Armageddon
Social security for for unemployment and pension is related to how much you paid in and for how long. For those who are not familiar…
AFAIK, from when my then girlfriend lost her job, you only get unemployment benefit for a short term, a year I think, before getting what they call social security which is like the dole in the UK. But I think she got a new job straight away so didn't end up claiming so I could be wrong.
and we’ll sign on the line or risk economic Armageddon
Can we we have a bit more time to think about it? Say, 20 years?
That’s a word salad if ever I’ve seen one.
I’d quite like to serve it back to him as a side order to a knuckle sandwich.
The man is a cynical, lying turd. Leadership material, then.
Ran into a full blown gammony old bloke today, his rage at the EU "not respecting the will of the people" was funny.
I did laugh at him as that statement made no sense, and he got more outraged. It appears that winning makes people angry.
As for Fox, does that sound like a "we've won" statement?
Now David Davis has popped up to tell the EU what they already presumably know. It just shouts that we're losing.
MSP, Woppit, you could always claim political asylum. The chances are that you would suffer undue hardship were you to return 'home', so your current host country might actually grant it.
That's very interesting Willard thanks. I'll keep it stored as a possible tactic.
I'm already locked into the health system and have permanent residency status...
Manuel Cortes, general secretary of the TSSA trade union, said:
"Brexit is a Tory con trick for the benefit of the richest one per cent. It will rob workers and drive down wages. The wealthy chums of Boris, Gove and Fox will line their over-filled pockets on the back of burning workers' rights and attacking the rest of us.
"It's them - the ruling class of this country - that are to blame for the fact that their austerity has seen our living standards fall. Yet they have the gall to try and pin the blame on migrants for their class war which is making us poorer. Labour cannot collaborate with their Brexit agenda as it's out of Bannon's fascist notebook"
I wonder if Jezza might want to actually listen to somebody for once.
Nail on the head in the guardian this morning
It’s tragic that the labour leadership are so terrified of the racists and bigots within their own support that they won’t fight the real battle. Back in the day socialists went round the country to persuade the working class that their enemy was not foreigners, but the rich. Now they sit around shaking their heads and shrugging asking ‘what can we do?’.
Along the same lines, I was just reading this piece…
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2018/07/30/where-would-the-uk-be-with-any-other-labour-leader/
We have, rather than a migrant crisis, a fascism crisis.
So where were the trade unions and TUC during the run up to the referendum?
The head of the TUC was EVERYWHERE making their case. I saw/heard/read pieces by her far more frequently than from Corbyn. Even if all you did was read front pages and watch highlights of the TV debates, you'd have noticed.
The unions have been very vocal in their opposition to Brexit right from the off. Because they know full well the impact on the jobs and incomes of their members. A pity that the labour leadership, such as it is, decided to sit the referendum out, then sit in silence since.
As the John Harris article Daz linked points out, the de facto opposition to Brexit isn't coming from a naval-gazing labour party, happy to coalesce in this catastrophe, but from Anna Soubry, Nicky Morgan, Ken Clark and Dominic Grieve within the Tory's own ranks. And the actions of Labour MP's like Kate Hoey and Frank Field in helping the Tory's get Brexit bills through parliament are absolutely inexcusable.
As this disaster unfolds, and the full implications of Brexit for the working classes become apparent, the dereliction of duty by Corbyn and his anti-EU acolytes won't be forgotten
The Euro is bound to take a hit but it’ll be nothing to what could happen to Sterling.
Like this you mean? But getting a lot worse...
But... So the claim that it would all work out because 'they' would still want to sell us Prosecco wasn't strictly accurate?
It seems, on the face of it, a really foolish thing to do - talk up a Brexit crash-out and send sterling diving in value.
A weak pound, however, boosts exports.
Could be a deliberate ploy to help manufacturing. As 83% of GDP is from financial services though, looks a bit wrong headed in even these terms...
A weak pound, however, boosts exports.
Until the stocks of imported raw materials runs out and prices go back up, Add in the increased cost of living and pressures that go with that it's economic suicide.
<p dir="ltr">Former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has been accused of Islamophobia after saying Muslim women wearing burkas "look like letter boxes".</p>
<p dir="ltr">Didnt take long....</p>
I assume this will lead to a strong response from the press who want to know what the PM is doing about the huge Islamophobic problem in her party, and how she will be taking steps to kick out those responsible.
Personally, I think anybody who wants to walk around looking like a bottle of Guinness should be perfectly entitled to do so.
I don't hear him complaining about Halloween costumes...
I assume this will lead to a strong response from the press who
Will either massively support him or will start making Boris gaff lists in preparation for when prince Philip dies...
shoilkd be in the labour party problems thread surely? I was just going to post it there
No coincidence Johnson wrote this after meeting with alt-right shit stirrer steve Bannon.
When May comes back from the EU with a deal that looks very much like brino, Johnson can start holding rallies where frothing gammon can chant 'lock her up' whipping them up for his run as PM in the next election.
