He is trying to go a bit trumpy
He is - because more than anything else, Boris wants power. Trump has power and maintains it in a way which appeals to Boris, through bluster and noise.
Saw a tweet this morning from the Attorney General of Anguilla accompanying a photo of him with the ex-foreign secretary.
"Meeting the worst Foreign Secretary we’ve ever had amongst the destruction of Hurricane Irma in Anguilla. Disinterested and out of his depth he cared nothing for our situation. Good riddance".
Polly Toynbee in this months Guardian pointing out why Boris, Mogg and chums are all really kicking off. Which they seem uncharacteristically shy in vocalising...
They want what they've always wanted.... a 'No Deal Hard' Brexit.
Leaving them free to use the chaos theyve deliberately created to do what they've yearned of for decades - the establishment of the UK as a dystopian, regulation and tariff free neoliberal fantasy island, facilitating a race to the bottom on workers rights, wages, and environmental protection, while the tax exempt, off-shored rich (them and their mates) get unfeasibly richer.
And they genuinely couldn't give a flying **** about the (little peoples) lives they wreck in the process
The posh boys who never had to clean up after themselves as children are abandoning ship as they have no idea what tidying up is!
“Meeting the worst Foreign Secretary we’ve ever had amongst the destruction of Hurricane Irma in Anguilla. Disinterested and out of his depth he cared nothing for our situation. Good riddance”.
Love the tweet, except being "Disinterested" is an overwhelmingly good thing IMHO. You'd think a QC would know that.
so many in the thick of it gifs I could post about this but they are all sweary
bring back Malcolm Tucker
While the Tory wet dream is about free trade, a cutback state and few regulations, they will have to sell it to voters who are likely to throw their toys out of the pram if the economy tanks in the short term. If the Conservatives really do **** business, then they've lost the next election and probably the one after that.
has anyone poste dthis mightily amusing description of David Davis
how the fk Maybot didnt eject this charlatan a year ago I have no idea
Boris is done. Whilst the public accept that politicians often say things that don't happen or they don't mean, and change position, actions speak louder than words. THE defining moment for Boris was his impromptu visit to Afghanistan rather than resign and vote against LHR third runway. Running away in the height of battle used to be rewarded with the firing squad.
That and the bikes.
It's mid-morning, do we still have a government?
Gove has apparently cancelled a scheduled press conference - is he just waiting for the photographer to arrive before signing his resignation letter?
Boris is done. Whilst the public accept that politicians often say things that don’t happen or they don’t mean, and change position, actions speak louder than words. THE defining moment for Boris was his impromptu visit to Afghanistan rather than resign and vote against LHR third runway. Running away in the height of battle used to be rewarded with the firing squad.
Agree with all of this. In addition Boris is the Tory Corbyn, loved by the grass roots party, hated by the parliamentary party. There is no way the MPs will allow him to lead the party, they've seen exactly how it turns out on the other side of the house.
sorry link to Davis's Vision
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-davis-brexit-dominic-raab-theresa-may-a8438346.html
I'd laugh, but this worries me even more than us just leaving without a deal. The whole thing is going decidedly 1930's, people phoning in saying they will never vote again etc. May is creating the conditions needed (by not explaining and admitting to the electorate that we need a soft Brexit) for a stab in the back myth to be created.
This is all going to end very, very badly.
March 2019 - Soft Brexit, economy still tanks, brexiters blame remainers, remainers blame brexiters.
April 2019 - Government falls, election called. Corbyn wins tiny majority. Economy tanks further.
April 2019 - April 2020 - Corbyns government have failed to pass any legislation in a minority government due to Labour rebels. Scotts get Indy ref 2, vote to leave.
May 2019 - Corbyns government falls, Labour party split into two parties, Conservatives also split into two parties.
2020 - Queen dies, chaos ensues.
2021 - Fascists?
When it comes to Johnson, Theresa put paid to his leadership ambitions by giving him an actual proper responsible job. Thus exposing the nation to the gap between his perceived abilities (in his head) and the reality. She must have had a little s**** to herself with each fresh example of bungling incompetence, each crass, boorish inappropriate remark and eye-rolling newspaper headline.
The Tory grass roots love him. Proof of their senility, if ever it were needed. But the only get to vote on the candidates chosen for them by their MP's, and as has already been pointed out, most of them absolutely despise him!
We are now in the ludicrous position of asserting that we must accept huge amounts of precisely such EU law, without changing an iota, because it is essential for our economic health
From BoJo's resignation letter.
Cast iron evidence that the Brexit lunatic fringe are willing to sabotage the economy purely in the name of sovereignty.
They don't want a deal. They want hard Brexit. They don't care about the damage. People need to wake the **** up about this
@raybanwomble, i think your being optimistic.
Late March 2019, Brexit.
Mid April 2019, Ports start to collapse unable to process traffic, food and fuel start to run low, rationing considered.
Late April, employers start major layoffs as no point paying staff to do nothing..
very late April, unpaid wages, lack of food, Rioting starts to break out, lack of police numbers and troops are deployed on streets.
Emergency declared. elections suspended etc.
Realistically there is no way any form of Brexit can be in place by March, there is no capability of building any infrastructure, or implementing any systems on that sort of time scale. Time for politicians to start to come clean, and time for the media to start asking questions.
Mid April 2019, Ports start to collapse unable to process traffic, food and fuel start to run low, rationing considered.
The EU already have a plan to keep food coming into the UK for at least three months… because they have carried out some actual practical planning for a no deal exit… they have taken the UK government on their word… they will seek to minimise the chaos… meanwhile… the UK gov is doing what exactly…? Oh, and the EU have cancelled the summer break for those involved in Brexit negotiations and preparation… because time is running out… meanwhile… the UK gov is doing what exactly…?
Time for politicians to start to come clean, and time for the media to start asking questions.
But it won't happen.
It was blindingly obvious by about noon on June 24th 2016 that a Brexit that appeases the loony brexiteers simply cannot happen. Or it can, but the country is ruined as a result.
Economic prosperity (well, non-implosion at least) and Hard Brexit / No Deal are incompatible.
Then you get to the wreckers, who really actively want to harm the economy so that their will can be done in a race to the bottom with the rest of the globe. These are the real bad guys and need to see some consequences of their actions.
If May pulls off her soft Brexit, itll be fine, growth will keep kicking along the bottom, local services, police, NHS etc will just keep being slowly strangled
Tories will only survive next GE depending on whatever version of FOM they get from the EU & how they can spin it with the press, even then if brexies push back hard enough might be enough to split Tory vote & let corbyn in.
The EU already have a plan to keep food coming into the UK for at least three months…
The EU can make the plans to ensure food can get on the boats, but implementation of supplies in the UK? Rationing, shops etc. that comes down to WM, and i have NO confidence in that side of the equation working.
An Gorta Mór the UK government was happy to see millions of UK citizens die because of ideology, the attitude hasn't changed.
If May pulls off her soft Brexit, itll be fine, growth will keep kicking along the bottom, local services, police, NHS etc will just keep being slowly strangled
It's still going to contract quite significantly with a soft Brexit - and that will help fuel a betrayal myth pedalled by the brexiters.
It's a zero sum game now.
I do fear that the Remain groups are losing the referendum all over again.
I thought that with the Soros money there would be big bill boards and newspaper ads in the hate press spelling out exactly what Brexit will cost.
We have the big march but that really gets little coverage.
I do however seem to get lots of emails to go to seminars where like minded people can agree with each other and then a plea for some money.
I want to see an effort to counter the media propoganda and a real attempt to educate Joe public.
We can't lose again.
Late March 2019, Brexit.
Mid April 2019, Ports start to collapse unable to process traffic, food and fuel start to run low, rationing considered.
Late April, employers start major layoffs as no point paying staff to do nothing..
very late April, unpaid wages, lack of food, Rioting starts to break out, lack of police numbers and troops are deployed on streets.
June, Prime Minister Rees-Mogg introduces the Eat The Poor 2019 bill.
It’s still going to contract quite significantly with a soft Brexit – and that will help fuel a betrayal myth pedalled by the brexiters.
The brexiteers are still think they are debating in the Oxford Union, that they are somehow divorced from events. I think the delusions might start to catch up with them soon, question is before or after the damage is done.
I do fear that the Remain groups are losing the referendum all over again.
It's crazy, isn't it. Before the referendum we had a couple of months to fail to get our shit together. Now we've had two years to fail to get our shit together whilst spending half of the time rolling our eyes about how the government has failed to get its shit together in the last two years.
What's that adage about doing the same thing and expecting a different result?
It’s still going to contract quite significantly with a soft Brexit – and that will help fuel a betrayal myth pedalled by the brexiters.
And I've seen this movie before. It'll all be our fault for not getting behind them and supporting brexit. (Whilst, y'know, shutting up and getting over it.)
And I’ve seen this movie before. It’ll all be our fault for not getting behind them and supporting brexit. (Whilst, y’know, shutting up and getting over it.)
Jews have seen it all before as well. Remember that "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was a racist satirical joke/hoax internally circulated amongst anti-Semites until someone decided that it was to be taken seriously. A 1930s 4chan Pepe the Frog meme, if you will, that went serious.
The fake news stupidity has absolutely happened before.
-> IF <-
it was to go to another vote, on the basis that it isn't the ultra-right brexit that the true leavers want, and the remainers obviously still don't really want Brexit again,
-> AND <-
it was another binary question
surely the leavers would be called at every turn on their plan / would have to lay out exactly what type of brexit they want and the implications thereof. And how many of the 17.8M (who are still alive!) would still vote Out on that basis. Surely Leave realise that?
I'm not convinced yet that this isn't all going to end up in BINO
Mrmo
The damage is already happening
Just caught five minutes of Radio 2, Ed Milliband standing in for Vine. He was interviewing Neil Kinnock, who was talking a vast amount of sense and warning that a hard brexit would be "cataclysmic."
Thanks Neil. Next, we'll hear from Bob from Buckinghamshire. "Well, I think we all need to get behind Theresa May and give her our support..."
Give me strength.
how many of the 17.8M
17.4M.
I’m not convinced yet that this isn’t all going to end up in BINO
IMHO that was never realistically on the table, won't happen. It'll be hard brexit or a u-turn to remain.
Gods help us all.
Mrmo
The damage is already happening
I know, i have received a few comments, based on having an Irish name. Agencies have gone, and bluntly aren't coming back. Businesses have started to migrate activities, England has basically erected big signs, stating f*** off.
The damage can be fixed but it will take decades if brexit is stopped now, longer if it isn't.
It was blindingly obvious by about noon on June 24th 2016 that a Brexit that appeases the loony brexiteers simply cannot happen.
+1. I've just been sitting back waiting for everyone else to catch up on this.
I think it's becoming pretty clear that a no deal hard brexit is a very unlikely possibility. There is no majority in the commons for it, there is no majority in the tory party for it, and more than anything else, big business stands to lose billions from it. If there's one thing I know about this damn country, it's that the money-men always get their way irregardless of referendums, elections, or a tiny few etonian idiots fantasising about the 19th century. Brexit will still happen, but it'll be the bare minimum that they can justify to the electorate. The people were stupid enough to vote for it in the first place, they'll be stupid enough to swallow whatever version of it is fed to them.
According to Lord Adonis, the Tory Brexiteers are warning that the party could indeed split over this.
Forget seeing England win the World Cup, if this happens I probably won't be sober again for some time.
*disclaimer - other political viewpoints are available.
Neil Kinnock, who was talking a vast amount of sense and warning that a hard brexit would be “cataclysmic.”
If you and your family had taken the money out of Europe that the Kinnocks have then you would think it a disaster 🙂
According to Lord Adonis, the Tory Brexiteers are warning that the party could indeed split over this.
As with pretty much everything they threaten, they won't actually do a bloody thing. They're absolutely brilliant at bluff and bluster and generating front page headlines for the Daily Express, but as an actual political force they're an irrelevant antiquated joke.
Its time they were treated as such, told to STFU and put back in their box
And if they want to split the Tory party? Well... that'd be an awful shame, wouldn't it? I can see plenty of people shedding tears over that outcome!
to be fair, it's going as well as can be expected.
And so it starts again....
Two tory vice chairs (of the party) now quit. Both cite the Ni backstop as a main issue saying May should not have agreed to it.
How deluded are they? If May had not agreed then there would have been no agreement on transition
Interesting reading the comments made about Lord Carrington (the Foreign Secretary that resigned over the Falklands) following his death. I wonder how many were veiled barbs to Johnson...
" He never fell beneath the dignity of his office.."
"....recalled his decision to resign over the Falklands invasion, adding that 'his only concern was to put his country before himself' ".
I think it’s becoming pretty clear that a no deal hard brexit is a very unlikely possibility.
You do know hard brexit and no deal brexit are very, very different things? May's plan is not far off hard Brexit....soft Brexit would see us in EFTA, single market etc
I think it’s becoming pretty clear that a no deal hard brexit is a very unlikely possibility.
Well unless some people get a move on and actually start to negotiate there is nothing on the table to make a deal.
It must be agreed by Uk parliament and ready for eu negotiators to present to the respective state governments for them to debate, amend, reject or approve before October.
Summer recess is 24th July to 4th September. Not a chance this is pushed through parliament before end of July