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Its like Groundhog day

Iain Duncan Smith is presently repeating his ridiculous claim that it won't matter if companies like BMW, Nissan and Airbus pull out and relocate as most of the economy consists of small to medium sized businesses anyway

It really is beyond belief that we've being led down this path by these economically illiterate morons.

Its telling that theres only one cabinet member who's ever run a successful business, and thats the one who's most totally opposed to this lunacy. Phillip Hammond

And I know Jeremy Hunt is listed as owning a business, but using a front company to avoid tax while buying loads of properties with your inherited wealth isn't really a proper business, is it?


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 1:02 pm
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My small business needs customers who actually have money to spend.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 1:10 pm
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It really is beyond belief that we’ve being led down this path by these economically illiterate morons.

I doubt if they are economically illiterate.  They just don't care as it won't impact them, they all have their own personal benefits in being out of the EU but clearly they are going to mention them.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 1:16 pm
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Did I read somewhere that Jacob Rees Mogg has jumped ship and moved his Hedge Fund firm to the EU?

Nothing like standing up for your belief's eh..


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 1:41 pm
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I know that none of them give a flying **** what happens to the little people as long as they get to make a few quid, but In the case of Iain Duncan Smith in particular, I genuinely believe that he really is that dense!

I think its safe to assume that all the more prominent Brexiteers will end up making a killing out of things one way or another. And if that involves dropping a massive bomb onto the countries economy..... well.... whatevs?!

Thats patriotism for you. Nationalism isn't what it used to be


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 1:45 pm
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My small business needs customers who actually have money to spend.

TRAITOR1!!1

You just can't see the opportunities. The ability to sell extra bent bananas and running massive border warehouses are just two of the business opportunities on the sunny Brexit upland.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 1:45 pm
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Did I read somewhere that Jacob Rees Mogg has jumped ship and moved his Hedge Fund firm to the EU?

He has set up an office in Dublin, obviously following Ashcroft's advice and setting up somewhere in the EU to mitigate the consequences.

Binners, I have mentioned it before, but ask why a Kiwi who made a killing in the breakup of the Soviet Union might be so firmly invested in Legatum and pushing so hard for a hard brexit?


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 1:50 pm
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Some of the Brexiteers at least recognise that leaving the EU and the resulting economic chaos is a way of blamelessly instigating structural reform of our economy.  As I've said a great many times, we should be wary that the government wish to curtail employment protection rights.

I think that the lesson learned during the 1980s was that all of the coal miners who were nerfed out of a job suddenly became successful entrepreneurs and rabid Thatcherites and that everything was sorted out in the end.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 2:03 pm
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The scary thing is these hard right fruit loops are so detached from reality (as the rest of us experience it) that they actually believe all this Ayn Rand 'Creative Chaos' bollocks.

iain Duncan Smith being a perfect case in point. He is very fond of telling his own 'riches to riches' story about how he experienced a period of unemployment when he left the army. Yes, you planet-headed *, but not all unemployed people live mortgage-free in a massive country pile they inherited, with unbelievably rich family paying all their bills.

The way he likes to tell it, you'd think it was I Daniel Blake

*ing ****s, the lot of them!!!


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 2:47 pm
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If IDS ever tells the truth it's by mistake, I think you do have to be fairly smart to be that consistent


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 2:47 pm
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Ah..IDS...

His Curriculum Vitae speaks for itself:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2002/12_december/19/newsnight_ids_cv.shtml

He was referred to as "The Quiet Man" by colleagues because "The F***ing Idiot" was deemed too close to home.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 2:56 pm
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But - yay democracy, right?


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 3:07 pm
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Whilst I like the change in tone and stance in this thread, supporting remain, it’s telling that those that voted Brexit have little to say anymore.

Its cleary sinking in those economic downturns we all predicted are here to stay, loss of jobs and swathes of the U.K. in the grip of pending huge unemployment.

And the future ?

Well job interviews are already being smattered with the question “how did you vote in the referendum?” Whilst it’s not a question I really want to be brought up in an interview situation, it’s clear that the direction is that Business doesn’t want employees with limited outlooks and retarded vision. So, will this become the norm ? I think so as there’s nothing in any HR rule book that says the question can’t be asked. After all you need a team that works cohesively and progresses.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 4:03 pm
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Well job interviews are already being smattered with the question “how did you vote in the referendum?” Whilst it’s not a question I really want to be brought up in an interview situation, it’s clear that the direction is that Business doesn’t want employees with limited outlooks and retarded vision.

Wow.

I'm not sure if I'd answer that.  However I'd probably launch into an explanation of my views which would not leave any doubt.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 4:07 pm
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Happened recently to 4 of my (ex) colleagues (and friends) as they were offloaded a week after the referendum along with just under 900 Contractors... and of those that I keep in touch with all but 2 are still unemployed and seeking new roles.

#brexitsucks

But it will come to all, hard questions need to be asked if you have any consideration of how you define your business and it’s output.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 4:22 pm
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Funnily enough even leave voters arent so keen when the costs of Brexit are laid out

(scroll to end for opinion poll)

http://ourglobalfuture.com/reports/too-high-a-price-the-cost-of-brexit-what-the-public-thinks/


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 4:28 pm
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Well job interviews are already being smattered with the question “how did you vote in the referendum?” Whilst it’s not a question I really want to be brought up in an interview situation, it’s clear that the direction is that Business doesn’t want employees with limited outlooks and retarded vision.

Hmm, mind you any employer who googles my social media history would get a fairly idea of my position on this cluster****. Out of interest is this hearsay or do you have any more evidence that this is being asked. Not that i am surprised but the amount of fake news floating around.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 4:52 pm
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Much though I deride those that voted to leave, I don't think its appropriate (or even allowed) to ask about your political leanings during a job interview. Even if the elitist arse within me is now thinking "what a wonderful way to differentiate the wheat from the chaff".


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 5:14 pm
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Much though I deride those that voted to leave, I don’t think its appropriate (or even allowed) to ask about your political leanings during a job interview.

But it would make a good question to understand a persons views. If a leave( or remain) voter can explain in an interview why they voted the way they did, it would give a good idea of there world view. Things like how much research they did, what factors they considered, how they feel the process has gone etc.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 5:19 pm
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Even if the elitist arse within me is now thinking “what a wonderful way to differentiate the wheat from the chaff”.

It would be a great thing to do.  You could even ask them why they think it is a good idea to leave and weed out any future racism problems...


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 6:51 pm
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Oddly enough, I don't see anything that says employers can't ask about how you voted.  It's strange since you're not allowed to ask about any other personal information.

Unless, of course, Brexit is classed as a religious belief.  Then it's covered.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 6:57 pm
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That is odd. Oh well. I know what’s going on the recruitment criteria for my evil empire then!


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 7:03 pm
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I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable asking someone how they voted. I might however ask someone how they decided which way to vote.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 7:07 pm
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You wouldn’t need to ask directly. Could you fill in the questionnaire with the following questions...

Do you long for the golden days of the 1950’s?

is Winston Churchill the greatest human being who ever lived?

Brown people? There’s too many of them? Yes or no?

Nigel Farage? National hero or total ****?


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 7:10 pm
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Isn't telling your employer about your voting a bit .... Victorian?

Oh wait


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 7:20 pm
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As Victorian as the hankering for a return to Empire. So rather fitting actually.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 7:48 pm
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So, will this become the norm ? I think so as there’s nothing in any HR rule book that says the question can’t be asked.

I doubt there's anything in the HR rule book which says you have to answer.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 9:14 pm
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A Red White and Blukrain Brexit.

We spend £500 billion to get rid of Eastern Europeans so that we can have Europeans from even further east.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/16318574.gove-says-ukrainians-can-make-up-for-the-shortfall-of-eu-workers/


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 9:24 pm
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Looks likes something is happening, conference bewtween Ireland and England coming up, and with the indications that the EU is ramping up preparations for no deal.

So have the grown ups taken control yet?


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 10:21 pm
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Well job interviews are already being smattered with the question “how did you vote in the referendum?”

I think so as there’s nothing in any HR rule book that says the question can’t be asked.

I'd hazard that it's potentially illegal.  You're not allowed to ask about things like memberships or affiliations.  Political affiliations would surely fall into that category.

In any case, I'm not seeing any compelling reason to tell anyone how you voted, ever.  The whole point of a vote is that it's done anonymously.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 10:53 pm
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Political affiliations would surely fall into that category.

It's not an affiliation, Brexit isn't a party issue.


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 11:09 pm
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Ha, stick that in your pipe you Remainer Snowflakes.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44649959

"Theresa May said the deal was "an enormous boost" for the UK economy."

"The prime minister said the deal reflected the government's strategy to "build on our close relationships with allies like Australia" as the UK prepares to leave the EU."

Yippee.

But wait. Hang on a moment......

"The "Hunter class" ships, which are anti-submarine warfare frigates, will be built in Adelaide by government-owned ASC Shipbuilding, creating up to 4,000 jobs there, "

While the overall budget is £20bn (35bn Australian dollars), only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates." (a figure of a few million is mentioned!)

Well at least that is something to be happy about..... isn't it?

ahem

"As the frigates will be built in Australia, BAE's shipyards on the Clyde in Glasgow are unlikely to see a significant boost to jobs."

and....

"..this looks like a design which was heavily subsidised by the UK taxpayer, being sold overseas, and wholly to the benefit of BAE Systems. It appears that the UK taxpayer sees none of the direct payback or royalties from that investment."

Is it me? Or is this classic SPIN?


 
Posted : 28/06/2018 11:54 pm
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is this classic SPIN?

Did a politician say it?


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 12:22 am
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Did a politician say it?

Well it was leaked by the Australian, co-incidentally owned by News International....


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 12:26 am
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Its not spin its complete bollocks...

Actually its a symptom of the fact that when it comes down to money and jobs those spending the cash make the decisions.

Passports

Frigates

Cars

Planes

There is a pattern or a prophecy depending on your views


 
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A Red White and Blukrain Brexit.

We spend £500 billion to get rid of Eastern Europeans so that we can have Europeans from even further east.

One of the main reasons for brexit after all. Remove those pesky EU citizens with their rights and protections while getting hard of thinking UK citizens to remove their own rights and protections at the same time, and continue immigration from further afield.


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 1:09 am
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I know someone who voted leave and now bitterly regrets it.

He’s presently got a decent, well-paid job at Jaguar Land Rover

Turkeys and christmas and all that…?

Fruit picking is "fun" according to the Telegraph so maybe he will be fine.

I know it makes me a bad person but I can't help feeling a sense of satisfaction that the areas that will be most utterly screwed by Brexit are the areas that voted most enthusiastically for it.


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 8:45 am
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I have a lot of sympathy for that view DrJ - only problem is there are a lot of us in those areas that didn't vote for Brexit! I live in West Cumbria... 🙂


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 8:53 am
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Coincidentally whenever brexit talks are on the pound drops.

Are there any shares that rise with the shit news?

I’m assuming American import companies and non Eu Mediterranean holiday companies must benefit.

Anyone know about this stuff?

Let’s follow our leaders examples and profit from the collapse of our country.


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 8:53 am
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Danny Dyer, who knew


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 9:17 am
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Jobs, money, cheap credit non of these are important until there isn't any.... the Brexiteers Mantra


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 9:19 am
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It comes to something when two people made statements about Brexit yesterday - the Prime Minister and Danny Dyer - and it turns out Danny Dyer’s view is by far the most coherent...


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 9:37 am
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Great clip, I need to see all of that now.


 
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Ed Balls rocking 😂

its to the final word, just spat out. Genius


 
Posted : 29/06/2018 10:20 am
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I think with the final word, and in its delivery, Danny Dyer can truly be credited with speaking for the nation


 
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