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Yes, your opinion. Just ignore the recommendations of experts in their field. Carry on…
Fortunately I can still remember Ken Clarke's enthusiastic trousering of tobacco industry cash as they tried to get third world kids hooked on cigarettes, so I can take a more nuanced view of his character.
Any port in a storm, I suppose.
Has Davis offered to resign yet ?
He only does that alternate weeks now. Doing it weekly was a tad too obvious demonstration of attention seeking.
This week he is "taking people out".
I think the plan is just to survive to the next day. Tomorrow the plan will be to survive to the day after that.
Most definately... I’m not sure who’s on the driving seat of this fiasco, two years/billion down the line and they still haven’t figured out what they want.
Yes, your opinion. Just ignore the experts. Carry on…
Ahem. That would be ignoring the industry, rather than independent experts. So needs to be viewed from the context of a group who sees actual regulation approaching and is trying to head that off.
Plus the difference between calling for a 'moratorium' (voluntary, not forever) and a 'complete ban' needs to be pointed out to your Tweeter.
It's encouraging because it suggests that they know the matter may well be taken out of the hands of the industry to self-regulate, and are lobbying hard to prevent that.
So the regulation is or isn't needed?
The only thing the Maybot is interested in is the survival of the Tory party.
Thats it! End of story! Everything else is a secondary consideration thats so insignificant that it barely even registers. And if she has to lay waste to the countries economy to achieve that end? Well.... whatevs....
Because if the banking crisis taught us anything, its that the rich, privileged and entitled don't pay the price for the disasters they usher in. Its us little people who deal with the calamitous fall-out of their limitless greed and ambition, while they waltz off into the sunset totally unaffected.
It is another can-kick scenario.
She's made 'promises' to the remainers that the leavers won't accept and vice-versa is telling the leavers that they were only promises to consider / discuss. IDK what the next week's business entails, but based on past history of making and sticking to deadlines, I wouldn't be surprised if the formalising of the agreements made is then pushed further out for 'technical' reasons until sufficient pressure can be applied on the dissenters that the storm dies down.
And even if the agreements were formalised, it's not as if they don't have history of claiming they had their fingers crossed while signing and therefore they don't count.....
So we're then back to whether the remainer rebels have sufficient spine finally to vote against their leadership. Am I hopeful.......
It would make a great political drama, if it wasn't actually important.
So the regulation is or isn’t needed?
Undoubtedly is needed. The question is whether the measures proposed by the industry body are sufficient to stop abuses of data aggregation/political advertising (it's hard to tell without a firm definition of 'minimum numbers' or what 'individually-targeted' advertising actually means) or just a fudge to head off actual regulation by electoral or advertising watchdogs.
I'd rather it was dealt with by actual regulation, TBH. Industry bodies have a long and proud history of offering up various 'voluntary codes' which sound admirable but are geared more to their members' advantage than the public's.
So micro-targeting of political adverts does need regulation… you're just pointing out that other, and better, regulation is needed as well? I thought you were claiming micro-targeting doesn't happen… but reading your words now, you might just be saying people aren't doing it by hand. Anyway, the extract is just two points from a larger report.
I may be misreading what they are proposing, but I see nothing there which stops an advertiser aggregating people into susceptible/non-susceptible groups and targeting them with political advertising. They will simply make the groups slightly larger to fit in with some to-be-decided minimum threshold.
I suspect that the industry knows that the ship has already sailed on the extreme kind of data harvesting that was used during the referendum (the winding up of Cambridge Analytica supports this), so they know that the same level of micro-tailoring of advertising content won't happen next time anyhow. So can be safely offered up to be maybe-banned-for-now.
I'd prefer to see a greater restriction on the proportion of electoral advertising spend allowed on social media, which cuts the problem off more directly.
I do tend to look at industry proposals with a cynical eye, though. Perhaps there is some honest intent behind this one rather than just offering the appearance of cleaning house to keep electoral advertising spend flowing into the agencies.
So consider my first comment more as a raised eyebrow than condemning the proposals out of hand.
Corbyn is a **** but I’m liking Ken Clarke.
Tell me about it. I never once imagined that I’d have reason to send Michael Heseltine a thank you letter. I had a really nice response from him too.
We live in interesting times.
So consider my first comment more as a raised eyebrow than condemning the proposals out of hand.
So, it was a "that's not enough" comment, on a tiny extract, containing just two suggestions, from a large report, packed full of suggestions. Thank you for your time.
Anyway, micro targeting exists… as do campaigns targeting different groups with contradictory messaging, so both of those points are useful contributions "in my opinion". Being able to see all adverts linked to a campaign, in a central register, would at least mean that journalists could look for contradictions and call people out on them. If they consider that part of their job (some still do this kind of thing, rather than just sabre rattling with poor photoshopped montages).
the weird caching on this forum makes it damn hard to follow threads… when posts go missing for ages after they have been posted
[ edits also seem to take the long route from being posted to appearing in a thread ]
Anyway, personalised propaganda. Don't pretend that it is fantasy. Regulation is going to be tough, as always with the web.
I’m reliably informed from a contact close to the matter that a certain minister who may or may not be quitting their post in the coming weeks has been hitting the booze rather hard of late.
I do wish that Tim Martin would stick to flogging cut price booze instead of giving a running commentary on why Brexit is a good thing. If I wanted to listen to a right-wing pub landlord then I’d go to an Al Murray gig.
Thank you for your time.
You seem awfully upset because you re-posted a tweet and not everyone instantly thought it was the best thing eva.
Actually, I'm the only one who acknowledged it at all. Perhaps your micro-targeting is askew. Feel free to link to the full report/list of top suggestions if you want people to comment on that.
Anyway have a like.
Fear not! The UK economy is saved
"The company's founder, Tim Martin, who campaigned for Brexit, said it was part of a transition away from products made in the European Union."
He's going to have a duck fit when he finds out where Guinness comes from.
Champagne-makers must be quaking - I mean, who doesn't immediately visualise sitting in a Wetherspoons with a glass of posh bubbly?
Who on earth drink champagne in his pubs ?
Who on earth drink champagne in his pubs ?
Lots of people, depending on the places you go to, it's just a sparkling wine nowt that fancy about that
Or alcohol free beer!
Fwiw the Adnams one is no where near as nice as erdinger blue, Bree dog would've been a much better choice
So the SNP have just flounced out of PMQs over the lack of debate for devolved issues yeterday.
Another headache for May
*applauds*
It's not often I enjoy seeing Boris looking like a smug ****. In fact, it's the first time.
Not sure how getting the SNP to walk out, especially after yesterdays 'debate', is going to play in Scotland. They should just come right out and tell us to sit down, shut up, and swallow what we're given.
U suspect further polarising the debate in Scotland and increased support for staying in the EU
Fwiw the Adnams one is no where near as nice as erdinger blue,
blimey that was a quick try it's only been out for 12 days
"The only thing the Maybot is interested in is the survival of the Tory party"
TBH I don't think she gives a shit about the party. She'll give anything to stay PM for one more day but the longer she stays and the worse this gets the longer the more riven they'll be, the more likely the fruitbats are to take over and the longer they'll be in opposition.
i must have been talking about the adnams solestar, which is too sweet for my refined palate
as for the SNP, they will fire up their fans , not so sure about the undecideds, & it suits them well to make the tories look uncaring
One of our friends parents are typical gammons.
Even though they own a place in Greece they are total kippers.
Their favourite son, after many years has met a nice lady and they are in the throes of wedding planning and house hunting .
Mum and dad couldn't be happier.
However he works at Jaguar.
She might not be buying a hat just yet.
SNP have had 1000 new members sign up this afternoon.
we've been shut out of the Galileo project
A majority of member states have turned against the UK and voted in favour of pushing forward on the next round of contracts for the £8bn project, despite requests for a delay to allow negotiations over British involvement to progress. UK firms are being blocked from bidding for contracts.
Well, that’s a surprise to no one with half a brain cell.
So there were still a few Brexiters in Scotland. How many of them could swing the result for the whole UK?
So there were still a few Brexiters in Scotland. How many of them could swing the result for the whole UK?
Total Leave votes in Scotland - just over 1m.
Leave majority - almost 1.3m.
Bloody hell Corbyn is useless, May is there for the taking, to use a boxing analogy she is staggering around the ring, gum shield out and he still can’t land a telling blow.
I wonder if there's money to be earned for brits happy to take a job with a UK company relocating to the EU? Ideally being paid to live somewhere near the Alps?
Galileo ....
Who needs that crap when we launch our rival Gammoneo.
hmm the vote going against us how dare they.....
Welcome to the new world.
I wonder if there’s money to be earned for brits happy to take a job with a UK company relocating to the EU? Ideally being paid to live somewhere near the Alps?
Freedom of movement, still no clarity on residence rights after next march. Ignore the transition that isn't agreed yet.
Wonder at what point the UK faces the possibility of a military coup? Starting to believe that anything is now possible and the UK may be needing UN peacekeepers in the near future to restore order.
Who needs that crap when we launch our rival Gammoneo
Lol
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I wonder if there’s money to be earned for brits happy to take a job with a UK company relocating to the EU? Ideally being paid to live <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Somewhere near the Alps?</span>
Some really good jobs going at the EMA, would mean moving family to Holland when it leaves, which is lacking in elevation, but still very good jobs, I'm really considering it.
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Time for the political Sat Nav Jokes?
Corbyn - Turn Left Turn Left Turn Left
May - U Turn where possible
Borris - Wiffle Waffle YEAH!
Farage - I've no idea where you are but it's their fault
Kier Starmer on David Davis “So far this year he has threatened to resign more times than he has met Michel Barnier.”