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Gordon Brown of all people, made a good speech yesterday about what can be done to address many of the grievances that leave voters hold, all whilst staying within the EU.
I think that it's absolutely vital that we make sense of the grievances of people who voted leave and to address them. If we fail to do this and simply walk blindly into a "will of the people" destructive Brexit that doesn't actually do anything but make people poorer, then we're simply kicking the can further down the road and will invite a populist backlash which may be closer than we think.
The terrifying thing is that with any likely outcome, post-May, the whole WORST. PM. EVER. situation could well degenerate yet further.
Gordon Brown now looks like a towering political colossus
Oh come on, at least we know what most of the fetid cretins who want her job stand for, however unpleasant their viewpoints may be. Not even May knows what she stands for.
Labour might as well call the electorates bluff and give it a go, as their present ‘constructive ambiguity’ is just as untenable going forward as the Tories fairy-dust Oirish border.
Yes, except that Labour haven't got an election coming up so can afford to be cagey; whereas the Tories DO have a Brexit coming up.
the vast majority of leave voters still think brexit is a good idea, literally millions of people still think that we will be better off outside the EU.
most leave voters still hate foreigners (probably even more than before) and live in the glory years of WW2.
Until this mentality changes (mainly in england as thats where it'll be won or lost) it will always be a tight race between leave and remain.
The youth vote needs mobilised and I think another EU ref could do it. Especially after the youth vote won the abortion ref in RoI
I think that it’s absolutely vital that we make sense of the grievances of people who voted leave and to address them.
If labour were to stand on a platform of addressing these things, pensions, NHS, Education, Jobs and industry etc while remaining in the EU and saying how being in the EU could help with these things they would get the universal seal of approval
Magic Money tree gags
Don't forget that the Leavers are dying off.
2020 and the majority is gone.
We must wreck our country to fulfil the will of the dead people.
I hope the unemployed of hartlepool and South Wales are ready to get themselves over there to get those jobs back.
There always a vote catching National Service option.
thought most farmers were pro brexit ?
thought most farmers were pro brexit ?
Some and defiantly not all, most I know are remain as they knew what it provided for them.
Given the demographic of older, whiter, some rich etc it doesn't really surprise me, just remember 42% didn't too before saying all farmers I know they seem like fair game on here but plenty are very resonable.
Robert Peston reckons David (so shit they named him twice) Davis is going to resign tomorrow.
If the soppy **** is reading this...you are a total pussy if you stay on. **** off.
and in related news,
another rat deserting the sinking ship
Davis has been looking for a way out for months now, his brexit select committee efforts expose him as so clueless its laughable.
If he quits itd be almost impossible to replace him with someone less useless, tho Mogg or maybe Nadine Dories, or even IDS would be funny in a car crash sort of way.
Itll be a proper frothing brexie like Raab that gets the post tho
Davis is going to resign tomorrow.
He'll only resign if a customs proposal is made that blocks the alternative trade deal Tate&Lyle are seeking, or UK farmers are promised continued help as regards sugar production post Brexit.
The cabinet really are deluded.
Both the options being discussed as regards to future trading relationships have been ruled out by the EU and are obvious nonsense and a "time limit" on the backstop position is never going to be acceptable - the whole point of the backstop - which May and co agreed to - is that it will kick in if and when there is no deal that respects the open border on the island of Ireland. this obviously cannot be time limited as its a situation that is forever.
Idiots the lot of them. 2 weeks left to come up with an acceptable solution.
They’re discussing Brexit now on the Five Live phone in
Switch on to hear a lots of apoplectic gammon shouting “why can’t they just get on with it!!!!! “
’We voted to leave!!!!”
...etc etc....
Damn no headphones, I could do with a chuckle !
I go all gammon when that soppy ****ing cow goes on about delivering the will of the british public.
Half the British public didn't want it.
The will of the british public is happily ignored when protesting about blocks of flats being built in a back garden, or runways or mega expensive rail lines that no one will be able to afford to use.
That "will of the British public" thing is surely dead following Daniel Hannan's comments the other day, where he said that *he* thought that a "fairly plausible outcome" would be that we stay in the EU with a few extra goodies from the EU:
https://twitter.com/EenVandaag/status/1003677539980664832
Am I right in thinking that today is where the proverbial shit hits the fan?
Am I right in thinking that today is where the proverbial shit hits the fan?
Probably although I expect a valiant attempt to punt it further down the road.
Today is the day when even the most foaming at the mouth hardline Brexiteer will be faced with a great big chunk of reality, as opposed to their delusional Empire 2.0 fantasies.
With all the votes in Parliament on the Lords amendments next week, I'll be absolutely amazed if the Tory party and this sorry excuse for a government hasn't imploded under the weight of its own ludicrous contradictions by next Friday.
They'll be setting about each other like rats in a sack
I heard that DD has already resigned but still expects the exact same benefits of cabinet membership.
Well Done Captain....
Am I right in thinking that today is where the proverbial shit hits the fan?
At the moment they have 2 people holding the fan trying to outrun the shit
just seen a rumour on twitter that UKIP mEPs including farage will be having their pensions frozen until fraud investigations concluded & potential fines docked 🙂
As for Davis, what a prick, hes throwing a tantrum over setting a date for an NI backstop that
a) the EU will never accept anyway, because...
b) its impossible to give a date as the systems & technologies he wants to use dont exist yet !
DD still not resigned?
as Cummings said, Thick as mince, Lazy as a toad, Vain as Narcissus
hes just doing this for attention, its all bluff & bluster but he knows hes got no other ideas anyway
Him, Johnson, Gove, Mogg. They're all full of shit.
Its obvious that they're all happy to have to sling mud and behave like children having tantrums when they don't get their way, but they're all scared shitless of ending up having to ultimately carry the can for any of this debacle.
May should call their bluff and say "well *ing resign then! Or I'll tell you what... I'll resign and you *ing sort it out then!".
If she did, I'd put my house on the fact that they' all sit there with their thumbs up their arses and not do a bloody thing
Or sack the **** so he can't claim a ****ing knighthood.
If she did, I’d put my house on the fact that they’ all sit there with their thumbs up their arses and not do a bloody thing
Yep heard one brexiter calling from the safety of his safe tory seat that we need to make the EU blink first, they need to know we are prepared to walk away to drive a good deal. I'd suggest the idiot tries his philosophy in Tesco's but I'm not sure he would know how to find one.
and in related news,
another rat deserting the sinking ship
I notice the Mail story on this is not currently accepting comments, for some reason. 🙂
If May had any balls she would call his bluff. But she doesn't and he knows it, so he won't actually resign, we'll just stumble on past this crisis and onto the next one.
As for Davis, what a prick, hes throwing a tantrum over setting a date for an NI backstop
They've come to an agreement "The UK's proposed "backstop" plan for trade with the EU after Brexit has been published after an "expected" end date - of 2021 - was included in it."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44391539
Bwahahaha!, a finger of fudge is just enough to give Derpid Durpis a treat.
So still no decision made on what unworkable plan they want to proceed with 🙄.
As long as the Tories stay in power, nothing else matters
They have agreed on the wording, that is it, not what is inside.
**** why won't the ****ing ****er just **** off. ****.
Can once again hoofed down the road until.... mmmmm...... Monday?
It's like Groundhog Day, isn't it?
"It just can't work," an EU diplomat told me in exasperation this week. "Theresa May has so many nooses dangling around her neck that one of those nooses is sure to hang her."
we live in hope 🙂
Still in - and it's getting closer.........
Has Davis taken anyone out yet?