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“so, apparently the EU think we have an incompetent trade minister”
Not much of a surprise given his previous job experience...as a GP! Well, I guess at least people like Gove and BoJo might have some relevant experience from previous jobs, er...oh yeah, they’re both journalists.....F’in great eh?! What bunch of amateurs.
Probably what Gove meant when he said we need less experts...
I suppose at least the deplorable little shit practices what he preaches.
I’m really depressed at the totally predictable route this is taking; Brexit extremists on the back benches pressuring May on the quiet, resulting in a slow slide to hard Brexit. Fu€king awful. A fine example of how to slyly trash a country for their own nefarious gain.
Even after Brexit the place is going to implode. Hopefully though, something decent will rise from the ashes. These things are cyclical after all. It'll be 20-30 years though.
Oh, the troll in chief is back, is he?
I'm not rejoining this thread until matt_outandabout is given "prototroll" status for starting the bloody thing in the first place!
These things are cyclical after all. It’ll be 20-30 years though.
That’s the country screwed for best part of my son’s youth and formative life then. Cameron, Johnson, May, Gove et al have got a lot to answer for.
I don't think a hard brexit is possible with the Irish situation and interestingly yesterday MPs approve motion on customs union.
While non binding, it sends a powerful message to the government that they will fail if they try to attempt to leave the customs union.
DUP have openly said they would take down the government if NI is treated any different from the UK, WTO would require a hard border and a breach of the GFA, which all parties have explicitly said would be upheld, there is no other option but a customs union with the EU.
Government paints itself further into the corner.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43925282
Proud of some of my fellow scientists
Yes, saw that - very enjoyable, especially that the director backed them up
Is the customs union argument just about won now?
Time to maintain momentum by getting on with preserving freedom of movement?
👍
Single market argument needs winning next.
However, I suspect the tories are so blinded by their ideology that the CU argument isn't won yet
Is the customs union argument just about won now?
I won't link to an express article out of common decency, but this is interesting...
BREXIT BOMBSHELL: David Davis 'ready to RESIGN' if Britain stays in EU customs union
Two birds with one stone if you ask me, the comments on the article are quite amazing. Lol
Good.
**** off and don't come back you ****.
I'm sure I've seen that tweet before.... Keep up Kimbers!
Can you not just park your cynicism, you enemies of the people, and rejoice in our 0.1% economic growth?
Why am I suddenly singing “professional cynic, but my heart’s not in it” to myself?
It's a pantomime at best.....
At worst it is constructive self destruction....
However I think they (Mays people) will fold like a wet paper bag at the 11th hour.
The economic news is catastrophic (and we have not left yet) 300 billion down on inflow capital, retail in meltdown, car manufacturers cutting lots of jobs, sterling up and down like a brides nightie, NHS - Local gov on its arse, productivity shite (we don't know why? Because you have over employment on minimum wage you retards!)
Bring it on Brexiteers I am ****ing loving it...
Don't worry poor people your going to get a free union Jack to wave.....
It's embarrassing.....
Still, blue passports, we're getting blue passports
Ok it’s the Indy, but even so...
Interesting - FoM in all but name?
French Blue?
Brexiters have demonstrated since June 2016 they have nothing.
They know they have lost the argument over the case for brexit when the likes of Johnson and Davis are threatening to resign if the UK doesn't leave the CU, that's how desperate they have become.
I love that David Davis is threatening to resign, as if that would do anything, he has been spectacularly in effective even by this government's standards.
Let's hope this is all a good sign of remaining in all but the official name, will still have an effect but hopefully limited to the tories getting royally screwed for the next generation.
Plus would be awesome to see all the old ones who are so anti eu get in a massive froth
I love that David Davis is threatening to resign, as if that would do anything
is the that the same numpty who plans to retire in 2019 anyway 🙂
However I think they (Mays people) will fold like a wet paper bag at the 11th hour.
i think this is the plan, it’s why I keep saying Mays keeping the plates spinning , they’ve got to get so many things in place to keep the country from just grinding to halt that I don’t think it’s possible in the timescales if at all(and they know it) but they’ve still got to pedal the Brexit shite.
All the silly things like having our driving licenses accepted abroad and a zillion other things like the certification to allow us to service planes assuming we can actually fly them anywhere, so many things so little time.
Good news for the Brexiteers on the driving license front - my latest one has the glorious Union flag on it - awesome!
Still got the pesky EU flag on though 🙁
who should they have let do the negotiations do you reckon
The only people who seem to have a proper handle on this are Keir Starmer and Nicola Sturgeon. can't really see may letting them negotiate tho.
All the silly things like having our driving licenses accepted abroad and a zillion other things like the certification to allow us to service planes assuming we can actually fly them anywhere, so many things so little time.
I've mentioned before that I've got a mate who is a senior IT consultant for one of the larger, more important government departments. I'm off out for a pint with him tonight. Some months ago they were all informed that basically everything non-Brexit related was being canned, and all existing staff, plus **** knows how many more they've had to recruit, will be working on nothing else but preparations for the upcoming shitstorm.
Despite all these resources being thrown at it, its just a given that pretty much nothing will be in place on time, as its simply an impossible task. Every other government department is no doubt the same
Just imagine how much this is costing?!!
Just imagine how much this is costing?!!
Billions an billions an billions an billions an billions but the will of the people must be obeyed.
IMHO I doubt if many who voted for it will be alive when divorce bills finally settled in 2064.
I’ve mentioned before that I’ve got a mate who is a senior IT consultant for one of the larger, more important government departments. I’m off out for a pint with him tonight. Some months ago they were all informed that basically everything non-Brexit related was being canned, and all existing staff, plus **** knows how many more they’ve had to recruit, will be working on nothing else but preparations for the upcoming shitstorm.
My mate's wife is the IT director for one of the Government's major IT providers and is still waiting to find out what they want and even if they did, doesn't know how they'd be able to recruit enough programmers from India and get them visas in time to make it all happen. Notwithstanding, we also have the Government's prowess at major IT procurement, because they alway manage to do that under budget and in time, don't they? Even if they could drum up enough pixie dust and unicorns...they probably needed to start at least 2 years ago.
Yeah.... I’ve heard the same. Lots of people on big salaries sat around twiddling their thumbs as nobody has a clue what it is they’re actually meant to be doing, due to the fact that the government doesn’t have a clue what they actually want them to do. A complete vacuum at the top. Which is surprising given the towering intellectual heavyweights presently occupying ministerial positions?
But they all know that the systems they’re using at the moment are all EU systems, and they’re all (totally pointlessly and very expensively) going to need to be replicated and then integrated.
As you’ve pointed out, with the governments impeccable record at large IT projects, I’m sure it’ll all be fine
My mates comment on the recruitment thus far? The wrong people doing the wrong jobs
One good thing to come from this. We know that politicians generally are massively overpaid and not worth the money. Next time they propose a pay rise I suggest they get minimum wage and the cleaners get the rest.
mrmo - actually have met quite a few, the reverse is true. To get someone capable of doing the job the market rate is probably much higher than they are paid. Look at what they get paid when they quit. Some of them are doing the job because they have an axe to grind / believe it’s a public service, some are not up to the job and are being paid about right.
You wouldn’t get me doing that job for that money.
almost every mp becomes a multimillionaire off their salary and expenses. We buy them big london houses on expenses, allow them to pay their families from expenses and otherwise profit from it - to say nothing of the bribes ( part time directorships)
corrupt, venal and very very expensive.
Igm, one question why are we where we are if our MPs are capable? They voted to trigger A50 with no plan. Remind me what is their job?
Your comment about being paid about right and not upto the job, remember that the median wage in the UK is pitiful
David Davies certainly seems to get paid a lot for sucking on the arms of his spectacles whilst saying whimsical things.
I reckon I could handle that.
Ooh - ultimatum from the EU:
It's possible that May and Barnier are colluding to force the softest possible Brexit whilst allowing both sides to keep face with their respective organisations - May needs to make it look like she tried, but they both really want a soft Brexit.
A catch up on patents… info is old… but that just means there should be no surprise that we're pushing on with it all…
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02/28/patent-law-theresa-may-s-new-brexit-battlefield
…of course, the reduction in cost, time and complexity of granting a patent once across the whole economic region (including the UK) is still true for so much more than patents…
Hearty chuckle at Arlene Foster accusing Barnier of being dishonest 😂😂
And another vote lost in the lords, brexishambles proceeding as normal
Just a shame the idiots are dragging is all down with them
Apparently Leave.EU, Arron Banks, CA and the usual suspects were given access to information about Labour party voters by some political consultant.