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Gone too far now.
Gone too far now.
It can be stopped this afternoon.
sadly even though it looks like CA/ AIQ/Vote Leave blatantly broke the law to subvert democracy, teh swivel eyed Brexies, including May, are far too comitted now
The best we could see is some people from CA/ AIQ/Vote Leave being prosecuted, it also raises further questions about teh current government trying to keep teh DUP donations secret
If they call another referendum will this thread get closed and a new one started ?
and the storm moves on
Really is looking like democracy is having some problems.
So leavers not particularly interested in whether the rules of democracy are followed!!!
Who'd have thought it?
From mrmo’s link...
quote from the director of the Vote Leave campaign, Dominic Cummings: “Without a doubt, the Vote Leave campaign owes a great deal of its success to the work of AggregateIQ. We couldn’t have done it without them”.
People would be more concerned of there was a decently evidenced allegation, nothing in the Observer comes close to that. Comes across as someone looking vainly for a secret weapon to excuse Remain's and Hilary's losses.
Well if it stops the country from a massive act of self-harm, I'll clutch at them straws!
So if the government voted to keep the DUP deal secret & Brexiters that voted for it knew it was an illegal , were they trying to cover up their own crimes?
People would be more concerned if they valued democracy rather than the win. The claim there is no evidence is as brazen as a trump tweet and frankly beneath you and serious response.
The only issue is whether their dark arts were decisive- I assume neither of think the winners were so bad they "cheated" with a method that did not work.
Really? You missed the bit about making a donation to somebody then controlling exactly what they were doing with the cash? That isn't legal within UK rules.
Where is the evidence, just some barely credible jokers.
So that video above showing who was directing things? That isn't evidence?
I guess it's a little inconvenient to think that this was a deliberate conspiracy. Going to ruin a few
There is abslute hard evidence of the overspending and the illegal paper only transfers of money. clearly illegal
That GIF, no that is not evidece, it isn't even a decent presentation.
Perhaps we shall let the courts decide based on what is presented to them. Of course you could go for plan A, deny, Plan B Attack the evidence, Plan C attack the source... it's all very Trumpian and we can see how well that is working out for him.
There u go mefty
Im sure the shredders have been working overtime, but much harder to delete digital footprint
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/978705050309718016?s=19
That is only evidence that they worked to ensure that their data was legal, hardly nefarious activity.
Your naivety is charming, but don't worry im sure the brexiter elites will make sure that no one of consequence will face the music
Perhaps we shall let the courts decide based on what is presented to them.
It was in court last week, Court confirmed Election Commission had said legal to donate to other campaigns if no co-ordination.
The allegations are that they were not really other organisations, just spin offs created soecspecific to channel 💰💰
had said legal to donate to other campaigns if no co-ordination.
Which is the crux of the issue and allegations
Cabinet Office minister Chloe Smith said ministers should not pre-empt the findings of the independent Electoral Commission's investigations into whether any campaigners breached political finance rules..
Serious enough to be investigated though isn't it.
Well it has been investigated twice and there is a third attempt now, but on the basis that Remain were cleared of co-ordination and they are documented as holding daily conference calls to agree press lines, I think the chances of any joy being brought to remainers are very remote.
Investigated with all the current evidence?
I say again what evidence? Proper evidence, not tweets or articles.
Probably what has been given to them, direct tistimony etc. after all if nothing had changd why look at it again? The point above about deletions occuring after investigation on March 1st suggest tracks were being covered, if those documents or evidence of the deletion is presented then it's well worth a look. Unless you have decided nothing could possibly be wrong there.
Loving Mefty's efforts… but not really sure his heart is in it. Good work though… "there is no evidence"… "look into my eyes"… "there is no evidence"…
My highlight of the week is far more dry than all this opaque methods and funding stuff… it's this from our PM… when replying to one of her own MPs…
Is that actually real?
Does anyone remember those Longjohns sketches with Bird and Fortune?
Kelvin - I think you accidentally reprinted one.
No my heart is in it because I think it is a load of bollocks, I watched some of the great whistleblower's evidence, he said he worked for the company in 2013 and 2014 and yet is giving "categorical" evidence on what the company did in 2015.
The other whistleblower admitted on tv, there was no smoking gun.
Its wishful thinking bollocks.
What would be proper évidence ?
At the moment there are witnesses and digital trail of documents.
That is good start.
There is clear evidence including a paper trail of the overspending. You can prentend all you like this is not so
They were reviewing a dossier of evidence supplied by solicitors Bindmans, which contained examples of alleged collusion showing that Vote Leave and BeLeave were not separate and therefore that the leave campaign spent over the £7m legal limit set by the Electoral Commission.
https://www.ft.com/content/ff5bbc0c-3120-11e8-b5bf-23cb17fd1498
UK cries foul over exclusion from EU satellite planMinisters
and companies push to retain full participation in Galileo project after Brexit
Damn EU rules denying us our cake
Data.
Even outside the EU, we'll be able to take part in such schemes IF we accept the rules and jurisdiction over data that the EU creates. Other posts on this page remind us that data, and the protection of it, is more and more important.
when I was at Cardiff Uni all the student union paperwork on Kinnock apparently went missing (83-86), but rumour was that he started several different political parties in order to bag more funding from the student union pot.
Same with clinical trials Kelvin, a lot of UK studies in limbo at the moment, because we can't say what relationship will be re privacy laws etc.
See also UKs cake & eat it position over EMA
Very frustrating for researchers & drug companies
Sutely all the industry heads are giving Enola May a bollocking?
There is clear evidence including a paper trail of the overspending. You can prentend all you like this is not so
Aren’t the key phrases in the article you linked to “lawyers said” and “may have”?
Well Palantir (another dodgy data company this time named after the numenorean seeing stones in lord of the rings) who handle huge datasets for US & UK governments secret service whom wylie claimed were involved in the fraud.
Have changed their categorical denial of using the dodgy FB data or any contact at all with Cambridge Analytica, re brexit to 'we did, but it was only a few people'.
I'm sure they can be the key phrases if that's what you wish. Though as for lawyers saying "may have", MRDA
As a side note, it's refreshing to search for "may" and not find a load of vacuous nonsense.
TurnerGuy - when I was at Cardiff Uni all the student union paperwork on Kinnock apparently went missing
Is this a confession TG? When our Neil suffers identity theft, are you the man to send the police to chat to? 😜
As a side note, it’s refreshing to search for “may” and not find a load of vacuous nonsense
Made me chuckle . I think its fair to say the case is not proven however to claim there is no evidence requires some rather blue tinted [ or are they Union jack tinted these days] glasses.
I think the official name for the colour is French Navy. Or was that the delivery method.