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@molgrips I agree, honestly in the position she was in regardless of the rules she would have been playing the rules/games all along.
And now we get the BrexitLoon Tim Spoons on the BBC
Just waiting now to hear the Wetherspoons view on the BBC.
Well no surprises there then. Other than him saying the public is intelligent.
yeah, credit to the toad interviewing he is actually fronting up to the idiots fairly well tonight.The media do seem to be getting the hang of accountability.
I dunno. Parliamentary process might get us out of this. The blame lies with May.
No, it is Cameron's fault for giving in to the brexiteer pressure from Farage, Johnson et al
Malthouse falls
Malthouse gets mashed.
Money where mouth is time... True free vote for tories (maybe) come on, lets cut the balls off this thing
Malthouse told to hop it
😡
So given Amendment A got through, how will the main course go now?
I dunno. Parliamentary process might get us out of this
Not talking about parliamentary process, that's fundamentally hugely important.
Its the stupid outdated fluff like "division... Clear the lobby". Go and have a watch of Mhairi Black's speech about how stupid the process is around debating private members bills. Have a read about what happens on the day a new government is formed following a general election (chasing people out of the chamber with a Mace, locking someone up in Buckingham Palace ffs🙄)
JRM is unfeasibly pissed off - interviewed on BBC news channel now.
And the Moggster is now working out the difference between binding and non binding
Nanny, Nanny he needs his blankie
Can someone list the 308 **** who voted in favour of no deal?
It'll be on the BBC news page soon-ish
JRM is unfeasibly pissed off
Good!
Anyone summarise the Mogg interview for me?
Reports coming through of a 3 line whip by government to vote against. I thought that might happen if the Amendment got through.
Can someone list the 308 **** who voted in favour of no deal?
It’ll be on the BBC site soon.
It’s worth noting it wasn’t a vote to leave no deal, it was a vote to take it off the table, if you want to make a deal taking away your ‘nuclear option’ probably isn’t ideal. It’s a massive blow for Brexit though.
Anyone summarise the Mogg interview for me?
Democracy happened in June a few years back, everything else is an assault on democracy and not legally binding. In fact how very dare parliament not understand that.
If this goes against the whip then the message is pretty clear. Tension..
government bottles it and imposes a 3LW
I hope enough MP's don't bottle it and vote as they would anyway......
So funny watching Mogg.. I wonder if he'll do another interview after the next vote.. The genteel mask is slipping.
With 4 to play for this is going to be very tight. Rebel once assuming Malthouse got through? Rebel twice? Hold your ****ing nerve
So funny watching Mogg.. I wonder if he’ll do another interview after the next vote.. The genteel mask is slipping.
and the contempt from the journalists who have had to put up with him for the last few years is showing. The tolerance of shite is reducing.
Sky news has pointed out that whipping them to vote against the motion to take No Deal off the table, is in essence whipping them to vote for No deal if we cannot get a deal in the next 2 weeks.
Whipping their MP's to help drive this bus off the cliff......
PM has gone in the No lobby I hear.
Richard Ayoade' s put some weight on
It really is ‘on’ tonight. The mirror is being held up to Brexiteers.
If we go out, it can’t we said we didn’t go out fighting.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1105917794611269632
Farage now positioning for getting back in the fight on the gravy train
Richard Ayoade’ s put some weight on
Thought the exact same😂
That's torn it.
surely there are going to be resignations after this.
Ons Step Closer!!
321 v 278, she might need a trip to ikea in the morning or to call Pickfords
So the PM just told the house she wasted their time and have no regard for what they say.
It's almost as if the house has no confidence in the PM
Watching the parliament live feed
All this has a whiff of we are packing for that last minute getaway we just booked
Game on.
I'd like to ask what happens now, but I don't think anyone knows.
Bloody hell she really doesn't get it.
Inflexibility is the only thing that she has left
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
Watching Parly channel I've learned that you can tell who has won the vote by which side of the speaker's chair the chief teller walks past before the vote is announced
Has he ever actually delivered (other than cheap shots)?
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
Is never going to back up his promise to push for Ref2 is he?!
Nope, just chicken and bacon from Labour.....
1 Resignation Sarah Newton from DWP
£ is rising
Reportedly Rudd and some other Tory front benchers have abstained against the Tory Whip - normally a resigning offence. But is there anyone left in the Tory party to take the posts?
The whips might as well have the night off, a lame duck leader and an Indie group for any Remainer who needs a home for 4 years.
They were apparently told abstain and stay
STRONG AND STABLE!
4 abstinations and a vote lost by 4😳
Plaid on twitter claiming their 4 MPs swung it. Bless.
May clings to power, she can't afford to sack anyone, hasn't been able too for the last two years. Some might go indie of thier own accord.
On top of her almost daily ritual humiliations, going asking for an extension to Article 50 is going to be fun for her
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
A newspaper that was destined for next door but was accidentally delivered to him? Yup. He's ready.
Even though May has Ballsed this up completely, there's likely to be a (long) extension.
The brexiteers are in danger of blowing their Brexit entirely, if they don't chose May's deal.
Corbyn has come out swinging alright! He’s still pushing for his completely un-negotiated, slightly harder version of May’s deal. Again.
The Man’s a plum.
a strange lack of ministers to interview.....
This is becoming brinkmanship properly, if enough DUP/ERG/Labour go to Mays deal on the reported MV3 (next week) then it goes through - it needs a nuclear option after that.
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
Yes, If push really comes to shove I’m pretty sure she can rely on Jezza’s vote to get Brexit over the line
This is becoming brinkmanship properly, if enough DUP/ERG/Labour go to Mays deal on the reported MV3 (next week) then it goes through – it needs a nuclear option after that.
I dunno...
Commons speaker John Bercow has indicated he will rule on whether Theresa May is allowed to repeatedly make MPs vote on her Brexit deal after it was twice defeated.
On Wednesday Mr Bercow said “a ruling would be made” on the matter with parliamentary convention barring a government from bringing the same motion back to the house over and again.
His comments set him on course for another clash with Ms May’s administration, with government advisors believing they could “disapply” any ruling he makes if they win a commons vote on it.
So the government's motion for tomorrow is to extend to June 30th only. Bet there'll be amendments tried on that!
There is some bust up going on in Parliament now because May is apparently making the extension vote conditional - on a deal (her deal) being approved
https://twitter.com/hugori****d/status/1105911562743762946
Everybody needs to remember that todays votes were simply advisory, the government does not need to act on them or acknowledge them. MP's who voted for them should realise this.
With all these motions getting punted in left right and centre how come no one has tabled a motion to revoke A50 if no one opts for that might as well roll out the ballistic options the day after
how come no one has tabled a motion to revoke A50
SNP tried to but motion wasn't carried forward for voting
Mike - was just watching the points of order and this point was made by both sides. But there was a strong undercurrent that May ignores Parly at her peril.
If May pushed the country into a no-deal corner in direct defiance of the will of Parliament I really think a vote of no-confidence would pass.
Mike – was just watching the points of order and this point was made by both sides. But there was a strong undercurrent that May ignores Parly at her peril.
They have just wheeled out all her no name supporters to tell us exactly that she will ignore it.
If May pushed the country into a no-deal in direct defiance of the will of Parliament I really think a vote of no-confidence would pass.
Problem is the timing, she is in charge of this, vote of NC needs time so basically the tories need to get control of her or from her
It's still too volitile to openly advocate a retraction of article 50. We all know how self serving and afraid MPs are by now.
It will come though. Pacience young padwan. A retraction will be a two line email that can be fired off in 30 seconds.
If she pushes through a no deal Brexit against the wishes of parliament, and the predictions are right, what happens when the first diabetic kid dies through lack of medication?
There is some bust up going on in Parliament now because May is apparently making the extension vote conditional – on a deal (her deal) being approved
That’s a US level of desperation and snideness. It’ll turn really nasty if she tries that.
Corbyn’s called for a GE, again, give it a rest man, you’re 10 points behind in the polls and no one wants another GE in a time of crisis based on a Leave V Leave dust up.
Tomorrows Motion
Needing a couple of readings of that
and that key bit being the 20th March with the following coming through
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1105928595833270278
So point 3 looks like the important one.
If an issue ever needed summarising 🙂
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So if May's deal passes by 20 March then extension to 30 June to pass legislation.
Otherwise Parliament has to come up with an alternative plan for May to take to EU to get a longer extension.
Otherwise Parliament has to come up with an alternative plan for May to take to EU to get a longer extension.
Gee, if only we'd figured out what we wanted with more than 2 weeks to go.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1105937583291486208
Seems to have an inside line that an aide told cabinet ministers they could abstain and not resign - #Conspiracy 😉 the establishment will kick in #ShadowGovernment #PassTheTinFoil
Is TM allowed to change tomorrow vote???
I've always thought the whip was nonsense, MPs should be allowed to always speak freely and vote freely, otherwise it's not a fair vote.
If they vote out of line with thier party then they are surely in the wrong party.
She just comes across as a Primary School head teacher from surrey. Her tone and mannerisms in dealing with people remind me of the way a teacher would behave when a 4year old has dropped trou and laid a cable behind the soft play area.
I actually think she is going to pull the pin on the No Deal Exit Grenade and lob it almost out of spite
Witch
If they vote out of line with thier party then they are surely in the wrong party.
not to go too OT but how do we know what the policy of the party is?
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
Hang on I thought he was supposed to be a no-deal hard brexit nutter? Anyway, see my previous comments. I fully expect the commons will now move towards an amended deal including a customs union. If not, it will end up being kicked into the long grass as May has threatened, the end result will be the same. If that still fails then a 2nd referendum or even a new election is on the cards.
On an entirely separate note I have to say it's highly entertaining. I'm really looking forward to the fly-on-the-wall retrospective documentaries in a year or two.
I think Corbyn is finally ready to deliver
OK so I am now blaming STW for changing page before I could drop the punchline
Customer [ringing up a takeway]: “Do you deliver?”
Staff: “No we do lamb, chicken or fish”
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1105939822932316162
MV3 and MV4 basically a turd you cannot flush, the black knight who won't get out of the way.... add as you want, in the world of dynamic political leaders who are in tune with the ebb and flow of opinion May is just checking her notes and reading the one speech out over and over again, we don't care her voice has gone, we can just use last weeks