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Posted by: tjagain

nope.   I know every tune thars played.  i wonder if the fact I haveit on 12hrs or more a day playing specific playlist means it has more to work with so srerves up less ai slop?  i would notice instantly if it did

There's no way you are sitting concentrating on each track in a 12 hour session. Spotify could be serving you up Frank Sidebottom sings Sinatra after a couple of hours and it'd go right over your head.


 
Posted : 21/12/2025 7:34 pm
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A whistleblower from Facebook revealed that when a teenage girl takes a photo on her forward facing camera, and then deletes it WITHOUT even posting it to any platform, Facebook knows, due to camera and storage permissions. 

The assumption that they then make is that the girl is not happy with her appearance and starts feeding her with content and adverts related to beauty. Beyond sickening.


 
Posted : 21/12/2025 8:39 pm
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Amazon must be the worst example.

Prime used to be genuinely brilliant and useful.  It was like being back in the glory days of CRC, except the delivery was practically guaranteed rather than a fingers crossed 90% chance it'd make it the next day.  I'd ordered brake pads mid ride on a trip and they were delivered ready for the next day!

These days, despite the proliferation of Amazon warehouses, it seems like anything I search for is drop shipped from China.  And if it's being drop shipped from China then I know I can get it cheaper on Ali-Express.

I'd cancel it but I pay for the 'entertainment' streaming subs, she's paid for the sports ones as she's the football fan and I'd feel a little guilt that she'd end up picking it up anyway.

 

 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 9:58 am
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Was using the free version of Deezer without adverts for years, not anymore though!

Any particular reason? I'm trialling for free at the moment but will need to decide whether to sign up for an annual subscription in January 🤔 

Amazon is the pits, I've just had my annual trauma of buying something from them after getting gift card from work for Xmas - both things I bought would have been cheaper elsewhere too.


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 10:18 am
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Posted by: tthew

There's no way you are sitting concentrating on each track in a 12 hour session. Spotify could be serving you up Frank Sidebottom sings Sinatra after a couple of hours and it'd go right over your head.

 

 

totally wrong.  I would know within seconds if there was a cover in there.  Music is in the aspie part of my brain.  

 

I do love it when folk try to tell me what I think and do.

 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 11:19 am
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Posted by: tjagain

Posted by: tthew

There's no way you are sitting concentrating on each track in a 12 hour session. Spotify could be serving you up Frank Sidebottom sings Sinatra after a couple of hours and it'd go right over your head.

 

 

totally wrong.  I would know within seconds if there was a cover in there.  Music is in the aspie part of my brain.  

 

I do love it when folk try to tell me what I think and do.

 

 

Doubt that very much especially with modern A.I. music generation, and if you still think otherwise then there is any number of music distribution services/record companies/DAW companies etc who would gladly offer you whatever you ask for so they could learn from your knowledge

 

 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 11:29 am
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Doubt all you want.  Pretty much every song I have ever heard is in my brain permanently.  Anything new registers within seconds.  Aspie / Squirrel brain 

 

I also meant would the fact spotify has a very large database of music I have played make it less likely to do this?


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 11:55 am
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There's a bit of further enshittification of Strava detailed here.

https://arstechnica.com/culture/2025/12/strava-puts-popular-year-in-sport-recap-behind-an-80-paywall/

To be honest, I don't have a problem with this one, while it's crap to take away something which was free, it's hardly a core bit of functionality.


 
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Posted by: tjagain

Doubt all you want.  Pretty much every song I have ever heard is in my brain permanently.  Anything new registers within seconds.  Aspie / Squirrel brain 

Ah OK, that's well outside my frame of experience. Apologies. 

I can't imagine that anyone is really that interested in those year in... summaries that are proliferating in all sorts of areas, (my bank sent me one!) that it would persuade them into a paid subscription. 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 12:42 pm
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Whether you get AI generated music on Spotify depends entirely on your listening habits and how you use it. If you search for say: Led Zep IV, that's what you'll get. Similarly lots of the old Decca classical recordings are pretty accurate reproductions. If you click on the "Sad Songs for a Rainy Day" or "lo-fi study" playlists you're going to get a lot of generated content. 

I'd imagine TJ is more of the former and less of the latter. 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 2:50 pm
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Posted by: verses

There's a bit of further enshittification of Strava detailed here.

https://arstechnica.com/culture/2025/12/strava-puts-popular-year-in-sport-recap-behind-an-80-paywall/

To be honest, I don't have a problem with this one, while it's crap to take away something which was free, it's hardly a core bit of functionality.

 

I don’t think it’s helped them much as there’s usually a few of those Strava end of year things floating around on social media from as soon as they’re available. This year I’ve not seen a single one. 

 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 3:02 pm
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Posted by: thisisnotaspoon

These days, despite the proliferation of Amazon warehouses, it seems like anything I search for is drop shipped from China.  And if it's being drop shipped from China then I know I can get it cheaper on Ali-Express.

My missus has a habit of ordering stuff like that. I keep telling her to check the delivery dates which always give it away. 

 

TBH I don't buy from Amazon based on price, I buy on availability, choice and quick (free) delivery. 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 3:09 pm
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I genuinely do my best not to use Amazon, only for phone cases because otherwise it's reliable. But I just got an Amazon voucher from work and as a customer experience I find the Amazon website and search terrible. I don't actually know why people would use it.


 
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Posted by: notmyrealname

I don’t think it’s helped them much as there’s usually a few of those Strava end of year things floating around on social media from as soon as they’re available. This year I’ve not seen a single one.

That's because it's the 22nd of December. Mine, and I'd guess most others, will be done after the last bit of work on the 31st.


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 4:57 pm
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Posted by: jimmy

I genuinely do my best not to use Amazon ... as a customer experience I find the Amazon website and search terrible.

Maybe that's just it. I use it frequently and find it completely straightforward and simple. 


 
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Posted by: lunge

That's because it's the 22nd of December. Mine, and I'd guess most others, will be done after the last bit of work on the 31st.

That’ll explain it then, I through I’d remembered seeing them before Christmas rather than at the year end. 

 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 5:43 pm
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Any particular reason? I'm trialling for free at the moment but will need to decide whether to sign up for an annual subscription in January

Yes I had been enjoying a loophole of their web player. Which has unfortunately been closed and plays adverts every two songs, similar to how free Spotify has for as long as I can remember.

There are other websites who's services via their dedicated apps are worse than by other means but I'd rather not discuss it on a public forum as the loopholes get squashed when discussed openly on the internet!

Edit: In general terms and for most casual listeners it's good enough. Some obscure stuff and certain artists don't have tracks on there but even some of the obscure stuff the search doesn't find, can be found on compilation albums they do have!


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 8:17 pm
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Here’s Warren discussing the A.I involvement in current music production, only 10mins. 

 


 
Posted : 22/12/2025 10:48 pm
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Posted by: jimmy

I genuinely do my best not to use Amazon, only for phone cases because otherwise it's reliable.

I use it for academic text/research books, and before any smartarse suggests going directly to the bookstore's own website. Some just don't bother, some require you to be part of university before buying them. Some do, but their payment and delivery fulfillment page directs you to amazon anyway, and the reason they do that is 1. why reproduce something (for an additional cost) that you already have to pay for if you're on amazon anyway, and 2. Some amazon contracts don't allow it. The market for these sorts of books is pretty limited already, so it's not like you have much of a choice. 

Enshitification in action.

 

 


 
Posted : 23/12/2025 9:28 am
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^^ well that youtube clip is depressing

 


 
Posted : 23/12/2025 9:39 am
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I genuinely do my best not to use Amazon ... as a customer experience I find the Amazon website and search terrible.

Maybe that's just it. I use it frequently and find it completely straightforward and simple. 

No, it's not if you are looking for something specific. In fact I think they make it difficult on purpose so that you don't go hunting through cheaper options and instead buy the "featured" ones that come up first by default. I presume these are ones they make most margin on.

Example. Search string "10TB hard drive internal". Sort by cheapest. Filter by "With Prime Delivery". Filter by "6TB and above" to get rid of the random brackets, screws and cables. Filter by "internal". Filter by "SATA interface"

First result: 500gb internal hard drive. (wrong size)

Second result: 1TB external hard drive (wrong size, wrong interface, wrong form factor)

third result: NVME SSD 1TB (wrong interface, wrong type of device, wrong size)

Fourth result: 6TB internal hard drive (wrong size)

Firth result: 5TB external hard drive. (wrong size, wrong interface, wrong form factor)

In fact there is not one correctly matched & filtered item on the first page of results.

 


 
Posted : 23/12/2025 9:44 am
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Posted by: multi21

No, it's not if you are looking for something specific.

I've just searched Tamiya XF4 (a type of paint) First hit. twice the price I can buy it anywhere else fo'shure, but it finds it?


 
Posted : 23/12/2025 10:11 am
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Posted by: multi21

No, it's not if you are looking for something specific.

I've just searched Tamiya XF4 (a type of paint) First hit. twice the price I can buy it anywhere else fo'shure, but it finds it?

The post I replied to said it was "straightforward and simple".  To me that means searching for specific terms gives me items matching those terms, in the order I've selected (cheapest), filtered by the options I've chosen.

I already gave you an example of it not working (for the user's benefit at least);  I think they make the filters and "sort by cheapest" option work so badly that users will only ever bother to use the "featured" page which they curate to have the items they make most money on.  

 

For your example: it could be that they have no alternatives to what you searched for, it could be that they have a high margin on that item, etc.

 

Another example: often when you read the reviews, it will be for a completely different item.  Apparently what sellers do is list a popular item and when it has a lot of 5 star reviews, swap it for a different product.  It is clearly misleading for users, and would be trivial for Amazon to remove all the reviews or mark them as "this review was for a different product" when a seller changes the product listing significantly.  I presume Amazon have left this because more "stars" on an item results in more sales, even if it's clearly falsified.


 
Posted : 23/12/2025 10:33 am
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Posted by: nickc

I use it for academic text/research books, and before any smartarse suggests going directly to the bookstore's own website. Some just don't bother, some require you to be part of university before buying them. Some do, but their payment and delivery fulfillment page directs you to amazon anyway, and the reason they do that is 1. why reproduce something (for an additional cost) that you already have to pay for if you're on amazon anyway, and 2. Some amazon contracts don't allow it. The market for these sorts of books is pretty limited already, so it's not like you have much of a choice. 

Enshitification in action.

 

lots of these kinds of specialist books that are only easlily purchased from amazon are knock offs too 😂

 


 
Posted : 23/12/2025 10:39 am
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Maybe that's just it. I use it frequently and find it completely straightforward and simple. 

It's acceptable if it's something highly specific with no options, e.g the paint mentioned above, or you have a part number, although even then it seems to try and be clever.  Put in the part number for shimano brake olives and it starts showing you Chinese cable outer because presumably enough people have searched for brake hose/barb/tube/outer that it 'knows' they're sort-of linked.

Years ago there was a behind the scenes video that explained why the amazon product page layout is so awful and filled with random tables of part numbers, product data, pictures, text, etc rather than the usual nicely formatted website you'd expect for shopping.  It's so you spend less time there.  They want you to come to Amazon, type in Shimano B05S (brake pads), click on the first link (because that's the one that pays them the highest), and buy it.  It's deliberately supposed to be hard for you to browse so that you funnel yourself to the checkout ASAP before you check any other sites!

The only site that seems worse is Ali-Express, and I'm sure they just modelled it on Amazon, but made it worse so that whilst browsing for the cheapest Garmin mount it throws in a load of other results to try and get you to spend more.

 

 

 


 
Posted : 23/12/2025 2:55 pm
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Just unearthed this essay. This process doesn't just apply to the ether or individuals, governments are also victims https://www.noemamag.com/freeing-ourselves-from-the-clutches-of-big-tech/


 
Posted : 07/01/2026 10:55 am
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why the amazon product page layout is so awful and filled with random tables of part numbers, product data, pictures, text, etc rather than the usual nicely formatted website you'd expect for shopping.  It's so you spend less time there.  They want you to come to Amazon, type in Shimano B05S (brake pads), click on the first link (because that's the one that pays them the highest), and buy it.  It's deliberately supposed to be hard for you to browse so that you funnel yourself to the checkout ASAP before you check any other sites!

IANAE, and I suppose Amazon has crunched the numbers and is going with what works, but I'd have thought this approach would lead to as many people quickly giving up and going somewhere else as it would people clicking and buying the first thing that comes up.

And why wouldn't they want you to spend as much time as possible looking at other stuff rather than buying the one thing and leaving?


 
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Posted by: MrSalmon

And why wouldn't they want you to spend as much time as possible looking at other stuff rather than buying the one thing and leaving?

Because people get overwhelmed very quickly. So much info, so many pics, pop-ups, adverts etc, coupled with the fact that many people now have a very short attention span, often measured in seconds and the descriptions are quite vague.

By offering infinite free delivery and also making it very easy to buy (1-click) even if you order 27 different items in 27 different purchases, it doesn't matter that you're only there for a few seconds. Some follow up emails ("because you bought X, you might be interested in Y..."), a special offer voucher code etc will have people back there almost immediately, another single purchase before they get overwhelmed again with the sheer amount of tat on there.

 


 
Posted : 07/01/2026 11:43 am
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IANAE, and I suppose Amazon has crunched the numbers and is going with what works, but I'd have thought this approach would lead to as many people quickly giving up and going somewhere else as it would people clicking and buying the first thing that comes up.

theres two things going on here - one is that vendors are paying to put search results in front of you - so time spent searching is in effect time consuming paid for content.

It's generally an old metric of web searches to deliver the result someone wants quickly - now the aim is to keep people on your site for a long as possible. Google used to post its search results with a stat telling you how many results it had found and how quickly it had found it, and used an algorithm to put the most commonly successful results first - the most commonly successful ones of course being the routes other searchers had left the site via quickest - a bad result was one where someone clicked on the link and came back, a good result was one where the link was clicked and then there was no return to the google - and the algorithm would move that latter outcome up the rankings. Now google's metric for success is to try and extend the amount of time your are on googles pages as much as possible - they're happy to tell themselves that more time on the site reflects their users enjoying the experience of using the site more - that they are happily hanging around rather than frustratedly having their time (and often their employers money) wasted

The other is - Amazon just has some utterly shit ideas. As a seller of goods it seems to have some pretty weird delusions about the though process customers have when  buying things that seem to based on a basic lack of vision and sometime some quite magical thinking. They just happen to have sufficient underlying resources not to sink themselves when they pour money and resource into awful ideas. They've got some core assets that do work really well - particular in relation to delivery - and that just seems to provide the buffer they need to get away with some pretty bad decisions and a poor experiences for their users.

Remember their weird amazon buttons - the business case for them was outrageously flawed. The idea of them was you could used them to re-order something you used all the time - bog roll, detergent etc and didn't need to make any reasoned comparison over becuase you alway bough the same thing. So you put the button where ever that stuff was kept and pressed it when you could see you were running low. But the problem with the model was these were all low value commodities - the only way to economically run the scheme was if a button user re-ordered bog roll was to send them absolutely loads of bog roll - which was both more than they had room to store and also meant it would a year or so before the button was any use again

Alexa has been a big loss for Amazon. its popular in the sense lots have people have bought and use them, but its a failure in the sense that they are sold below cost price in the hope that people would spend money through them - people generally tend to use it as a sort of background musak radio station. But amazon actually believed people would use it to do their shopping

One of their adverts for it featured people preparing for a party / christmas and someone saying "Oh Alexa - buy gift wrap" and Alexa politely and efficiently complying with the request and christmas is saved.

OK - yeah? I want to buy something I consider attractive as part of a gift for someone I care about  - oh and of course I want to do that with out seeing it or comparing it to any other options. 

Genius

And as you can see - we've all revolutionised the way we shop. My local shoe shop has turned off all the lights and blacked out the windows - I now if I want shoes I just shout "pair of shoes in size 13 please" through the letterbox. And its win win - I now look like Captain Flashheart from he ankles down and the shoe shop keeper now has his own space ship.

 

 

 


 
Posted : 07/01/2026 12:18 pm
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Posted by: MrSalmon

 

And why wouldn't they want you to spend as much time as possible looking at other stuff rather than buying the one thing and leaving?

if I decide I need some widget/gadget/dogit/whatever then I’ll have a search for it, check Amazon, check google, check DuckDuckGo, check aliexpress..

 

after all that I usually decide I can’t be arsed searching then usually buy from aliexpress and bypass the Amazon drop shipping altogether 


 
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