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Indeed – but so few down south wearing masks when asked to do so compared with here
It's optional.
And thank god it is. If some need a dirty piece of cloth wrapped around their head to get themselves through the day, then crack on.
Dropped into the Green welly stop on the way to Oban this weekend. It was like being in England with respect to the mask wearing. Almost non-existent. Mostly English accents, probably off the two or three large coaches parked outside.
"Masks are for bedwetters in Inglund cos weer well ard and weev got bigger cocks than anyone else".
It won't be quite so funny when the schools are back, a new variant (caused by abandoning a few basic protective measures with a partly vaccinated population) is on the loose and local lockdowns are reintroduced. National lockdowns are impossible politically now. There are many double-vaccinated people in their 20s and 30s suffering quite badly with covid symptoms at the moment. Keep high levels of it circulating by being bellends just increases the chances of transmission, increases the chances of any given transmission being of a higher dose and increases the chances of cultivating a new variant of concern.
But hey, until then, **** it. Pass me that pint of Carling and I'll neck it in one to prove how much of a man I am.
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The question is really going to be severety. Do deaths track with infections as they did during 2020?
Without trying to tread on the huge Covid thread. No, infection rates may be increasing but deaths and hospital admissions are lower compared to last year.
if we’re doing anecdotal evidence. During the softish school holidays we had a lot of Scottish visiting, as per normal. Some weren’t wearing masks, some were. I’ve no idea how many as I didn’t take any notice.
Keep high levels of it circulating by being bellends just increases the chances of transmission, increases the chances of any given transmission being of a higher dose and increases the chances of cultivating a new variant of concern.
But hey, until then, **** it. Pass me that pint of
CarlingTennents
Aye,looks like the Celtic-Rangers match went well, probably all fans from down south though.
But hey, until then, * it. Pass me that pint of Carling and I’ll neck it in one to prove how much of a man I am.
I'll look differently at those old couples and mums in Aldi next time, they must be right hard b*es. Bet they have tattoos and everything.
It’s optional.
So is being a knuckle-dragging shitkicker, but one could be forgiven for thinking otherwise on taking a stroll through an English town centre.
We had a couple of days stay in st abbs last week. Popped down to Berwick one of the days and was pleasantly surprised that the majority were wearing face coverings and keeping as much distance as they can. I honestly thought that given the choice, most wouldn't.
Edit: CBA.
About 10 days ago I camped with my g/f near Chatsworth House, Chesterfield.
No-one was wearing masks! Down here in sleepy Wilts/Dorset border, people are still reasonably compliant.
No idea what the factors are but it was noticeable.
Why would you wear a mask on a campsite?
ads678 - Beat me to it.
had to show recent covid test proof.
How do they do that in theatres?
My daughter is down in that there London for an event. There was talk of having to use the NHS app to show proof of a negative (FLT) test, but that only seems to work in England and Wales and doesn't cover Scotland. Presumably theatres don't have a bar on Scots (or other overseas visitors), so how do these people show proof of a negative test?
For all the Scottish government's nonsense oneupmanship and determination to do things differently to Westminster, the truth is... it hasn't made a blind bit of difference. Covid deaths per capita have been lower in several regions of England than in Scotland.
It's amazing how the tinpot nationalism of the SNP is somehow seen as brave and enlightened, when the flag waving idiots running Westminster are rightfully pilloried for it.
Double jabbed here and getting on with life. Enough of this horse shit. It's not a different country, it's the same bloody country.
So is being a knuckle-dragging shitkicker, but one could be forgiven for thinking otherwise on taking a stroll through an English town centre.
You still need that hug, so angry all the time.
It’s not a different country, it’s the same bloody country.
Yes, when you can't close the border with a neighboring country it does limit the effectiveness of any measures your government implements.
Why would you wear a mask on a campsite?
Shared shower/bathing/toilet facilities. Otherwise not a problem.
You still need that hug, so angry all the time.
I fear you would crush me with your testosterone fuelled alpha maleness.
There’s a difference to wearing one outside with moving air - I haven’t worn one for absolutely ages, but I do if I go into a shop, and the majority seem to do that as well. I do see people out walking around wearing a mask, but it’s not really necessary providing people maintain a reasonable distance. I was sat outside a pub yesterday afternoon, talking to various people, and nobody was wearing a mask, neither were those sat inside, because it’s not, and never has been, a requirement. I put mine on to go in and order, though, as do most people.
I’ve got two gigs this weekend, so it’ll be interesting to see how people manage those.
It’s not a different country, it’s the same bloody country.
So what is England then if it's not a country?
so how do these people show proof of a negative test?
Given that you self report the results it's not really proof of anything anyway is it. You don't even have to take a test to register online that you have.
Maybe Scots just need a printout of something, which is equally useless?
So what is England then if it’s not a country?
I've read up on this a few times but I can never remember properly. I think England is a country but not a nation/state.
had to show recent covid test proof.
How do they do that in theatres?
Had to do this for a show at Edinburgh Corn Exchange when we were up there - just need to show the email/text from NHS confirming receipt of your report of your negative LFT test.
Obviously, everyone is going to be scrupulously honest when they report their LFT aren't they?
I was thinking the opposite regarding Edinburgh
Similar here, but Hermiston Gate and Haymarket, nowhere near 90%.
As for where I live in Fife rammed full of day trippers for most of the summer laughably far away from 90% for a couple of months now.
I’ve read up on this a few times but I can never remember properly. I think England is a country but not a nation/state.
For the purposes of Covid it's irrelevant.
You can't close the borders like Norway was able to do with Sweden when Sweden was running it's 'experiment' in infection control. Therefore Norway wasn't affected by Sweden's policies.
Scotland has been very much affected by England's policies because Scotland wasn't able to close it's border. For the purposes of this discussion they are one country.
If you want to get into the dictionary definitions of country/state/principality/kingdom that's another thread, I reckon.
Big'n'daft - there's certainly variation between areas in Scotland, but even in the roughest parts the rate of compliance is higher than in the best bits of England and S. Wales I was in last week for work. The contrast was stark as TJ noted. Molgrips - Cardiff was slightly better than Bristol, but not as good as the Lothians (even the dodgy bits!) - I've not been in central edinburgh since the latest rule changes!
But whether people wear them or don’t, they aren’t a particularly big driver in infections one way or the other. You just need to look at the rise in Scotland at the minute. It’s other factors driving things.
Well, I think there are so many conflated factors nobody can say that for sure, as you noted yourself:
btw mask wearing isn’t universal up here. Go to a fitba game, a normal bar etc, there’s a billion situations where people aren’t wearing masks up here. I think you are guilty of living in your own wee bubble in that respect.
Packed venues is clearly an issue. Packed venues with no masks intuitively must be worse. Add in alcohol and its no wonder the numbers are shooting up here. Clearly schools are an issue too. I don't know anyone who's a strict mask wearer and double vaccinated who has picked covid up through activities where they were wearing a face-covering / generally socially distancing. i.e. not in a pub or similar place, or who aren't forced to spend time with the public through employment etc.
So I think masks potentially are a contributor to keeping numbers low, but we let people remove them in some of the worst settings (pubs, clubs etc) and so the benefits are diminished. Schools are clearly a source of spread just now, and masks are worn in Scottish schools but there's no social distancing now (1m to teacher none to other pupils) and there's clearly close mixing outside schools. England will have an advantage that more 16/17 yr olds will be at least partially vaccinated by the time they return but the decision for no masks there seems bold. Hopefully the numbers don't run so out of control that NHS can't cope or a new variant emerges and lockdowns are back. It does feel as though both sides of the border people have just said, ah **** it lets get on with life. Changing that position feels like it will be really hard.
Flu season could be interesting - the covid mitigations clearly massively reduced it last year.
I fear you would crush me with your testosterone fuelled alpha maleness.
C'mon now, I'll be gentle. Might even give you a little peck on the cheeks.
Obviously, everyone is going to be scrupulously honest when they report their LFT aren’t they?
Positive tests will be higher if the result is paid sick leave. Lower if the result is not being allowed out on the piss.
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C’mon now, I’ll be gentle. Might even give you a little peck on the cheeks.
That's very considerate. I was expecting just a whack over the head with a club and being dragged into a cave. I suppose that comes later....
It’s not just limited to the English.
Anyone remember this back in May? One mask visible in that photo, on someone’s chin. Much social distancing going on here?
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/health-chiefs-may-never-know-24130414
Or are they just English tourists lost on a day trip?
So much holier than thou shite on here by some people.
By the way, as a Welshman living in middle England, mask wearing inside the few shopping centres I’ve been in seems to be fairly high, and not just by the older or middle class folks.
So much holier than thou shite on here by some people.
If you wear a mask in indoor settings where there are lots of people, nothing crazy - just what the rules were back in April say, then yes, you are 'holier' than someone who doesn't.
It doesn't take much, it is not a lot to ask. But some people have a need to show they aren't scared of nuffin, or suchlike. They'll be the first to go hysterical if any form of lockdown measures are needed again in the next 12 months.
I think they will. Doubly-vaccinated people are still getting seriously ill in significant numbers, schools will be going back with pretty much 100% unvaccinated kids. I don't see the point of playing chicken with a virus when some of the most effective measures are not very onerous at all.
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If you wear a mask in indoor settings where there are lots of people, nothing crazy – just what the rules were back in April say, then yes, you are ‘holier’ than someone who doesn’t.
The LAW still requires you to wear one in Scotland - thats the point. Nothing holier than thou but in Scotland mask wearing indoors in places and on public transport is still required by law and the vast majority comply. In england its now optional and very few folk do wear them
Just pointing out a huge differnce that I noted on my day down south
I live down in Kent and I'm saddened to say that mask wearing has dropped off a cliff.
My local co-op always had almost everyone, customers and staff, wearing masks whilst it was mandatory. Now most staff still are but only say, 1 in 10 customers now are.
Trips to other shops seem to show a similar percentage.
As mentioned above, the anti mask lot will be the first to complain if elements of lock down are reintroduced. To be clear,I don't think that most non mask wearers are anti mask. Peer pressure and (mainly) mixed government messaging have played a huge part unfortunately.
What will be will be I suppose. Sigh...
Joe
Free MemberFor all the Scottish government’s nonsense oneupmanship and determination to do things differently to Westminster, the truth is… it hasn’t made a blind bit of difference. Covid deaths per capita have been lower in several regions of England than in Scotland.
That is simply untrue.
There is only one area of England that has a lower death rate than Scotland, the outlier of the South East. No others really come close. Some are closer to double, including the two English regions closest to Scotland.
Cherrypicking individual areas of England to compare with the whole of Scotland aside, scotland's overall rate is 148 per 100000 and England's is 205 per 100000. Of course it can't all be simply attributed to covid policy differences but even so it's a huge difference. About 30000 lives you're handwaving away to score a political point.
So this thread seems to have been started because someone is amazed/disgruntled that more people wear masks when its legal requirement compared with it just being a recommendation. No shit sherlock 🤔
I was back in the UK the weekend before last to try and support my mother while my father was lying in Intensive Care ( see thread about waiting 8 hours for an ambulance). The incidence rate was well over three hundred in the area and I was completely shocked about how few people were wearing masks in the local shopping centre. Here in Germany the mask mandate only ends if the incidence rate stays below 10 for more than two weeks and even then most people here still wore one in the shops. A level of three hundred plus would have us in a partial lockdown and non essential businesses would have to close again. But in this part of England it was a free for all! 🤷♂️
Germany
A proper country populated by grownups in the most part.
England
The opposite.
Bollocks, can't be arsed for a second time.
From a COVID perspective England is a different country from Scotland. I’ve just spent a month in France and Spain and compliance was 100% and you need a COVID pass to go to a bar or restaurant in France because again it a different country with different laws. It’s no surprise that compliance is lower here,
In England We are 6 weeks into a giant experiment to get as many people exposed to COVID either via vaccination or now infection before the flu season kicks in.
What utter nonsense kryton. Jeepers you are a bitter man
What utter nonsense kryton. Jeepers you are a bitter man
It wasn't aimed at you, so don't kick off your personal vendetta and insulting behaviour yet again TJ thank you very much, it gets incredibly dull.
What gets dull Kryton is you constantly attacking me and others
You started the personal attacks and I am sure I know why. Just stop attacking folk all the time and sort yourself out.
Edit - I have no personal vendetta against you - thats your paranoia. What i will do is call you out for your nasty behaviour same as I would with anyone
There’s a Covid thread that covers this and the toddlers are fighting now.