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Which brings me back to my question of would something like a Nissan GTR be good or hopeless in the snow/ ice. Given the diff’s on both axles are mechanical but any torque vectoring must be electronically controlled then is it the case that the systems aid grip up until point of slip but beyond that it would just be a handful of electronic snatchery
Depends what you mean by any good...
Ultimately if its on the road just drive it well within the envelope. Even my 330D I can drift the back end out anytime I wanted... but I don't and just respect it. I've had it on empty muddy fields and left the traction on and it's handled it well enough... though getting moving was the bigger issue... but IMHO it's more about understanding the car and it's quirks. I think most people just never drive them past the envelope... and especially with something like a GTR rely on something that works until it doesn't then goes completely to hell.
Digby just raised a new question as opposed to brakes vs drivetrain.... How to go forwards, in reverse gear, without the engine turning backwards?
Digby just raised a new question as opposed to brakes vs drivetrain…. How to go forwards, in reverse gear, without the engine turning backwards?
That's where the conveyor belt comes in.
Depends what you mean by any good…
Just curious. Most of the cars I've had the pleasure of exploring the on limit handling traits of on track have been old skool big engineed hairy chested V8's, V12's even, front engined RWD, lightweight, no traction control, no ABS - some of the best experiences ever had, and a rarity these days and going forward.
I have no idea how a modern car with all its complex vectoring do-hickery actually feels like in the chassis at grip limits, but i'd like to have a go. It's sort of related to the fact that most modern cars don't have 'feel', they remove you from the experience and have fancy stuff going on which is why I reckon drivers get unstuck when they encounter something unfamiliar like an icy slope....Most big SUV's have torque vectoring going on and fancy diff's or on a modern Ferrari you can twiddle the dial to select your preferred drift slip angle while turning the wheel with your pinky, or so they say...